Wal-mart is probably in US only. These computers should be shipped worldwide. Remember that most of linux usage is non-US based
Second thing is that most of consumers use illegal windows and office copy (and only god knows how much other, personally I don't remember when was the last I've seen computer without copy Photoshop and AutoCAD). It is only question of time when Microsoft and BSA will start raiding at home. Common users aren't Microsoft fans, but taken the fact that software costs 0 (if you make illegal copy, that is), is what makes the tendency of sticking to windows. Cost 0, will always be the main driving force.
Personally, I feel that there is a much better success story for linux in PS3 (or something other like it). I just hope that there will be option to switch between computer and game mode in a form of some hibernate. After that you can have everything, games and software.
I have no trouble with people who present facts, the post I was responding to presented no such facts though. I know what he meant but come on, how hard is it to find the right link.
Question here. Do you talk about self here or what? All your posts could be translated to: "Lalalalalala, can't hear you, it works for me"
My issue is really with the irreparable part or the original troll though. The 2 GB wrap around was a long identified issue
Yes, and so is data corruption of PST files in this case.
In my personal repair logs, PST corruption would account for about 3% of repairs. And take it to consideration that more than 50% of users migrated of Outlook, to either Evolution on Linux or Thunderbird on Windows.
Is preventable
????? How? If you have one computer this is possible, but if you take carefor about 250 computers that is not so easy to achieve.
The mail that gets deleted during the recovery process though is the newest mail so its likely whoever sent it still has a copy so it might be embarassing to ask for another copy but again not irreprable.
Let me tell you one little fact. Some people are not home users. Do you even know how many e-mails one PR person can have per a day? How do you know which 1000 e-mails did you get this week, and how long will you ask people to send e-mails again?
You were asking about Exchange/IMAP/POP/Notes before
Yes, and facts. POP. C'mon, could it be called mailer if it wouldn't support this one? IMAP. Do you know how slow Outlook is on IMAP comapring it to Evolution and thunderbird? EXCHANGE. Does work when OWA is enabled. GROUPWISE. Yes. OGO. Work in progress. NOTES, I don't have Notes server to test against so you'll have to ask somebody else
However, I wish the FP (and I don't mean first post) people and the GCC people would settle their pissing match.
Funny thing. But, FPC people are known for their pissing matches. Go and start reading their mailing list. It's one big pissing contest (in fact pascal people always held pissing contests with C, but I don't remember a lot of C people being bothered). Whenever someone tries to get something new... well, here we go...
4 lines on apple page? 20 lines man page? or brief description on Arstechnica (which could be more or less read as "Apple did it, so it is got to be cool")?
I would rather see D/BUS version of system wide launching mechanism. Unfortunatelly, that woulld mean that everything would have to support D/BUS, which would require a lot of rewriting.
D/BUS has very low requirements, it is running on *X and soon on Win too. What it would be nice it would be a possibility to access and work with D/BUS from low scripting level (bash, shell...). If you could register your script with system based D/BUS event?? That would be something.
Tell me the difference where OSX CUPS GUI is better than official fedora. The way that you define printers is practically the same. Believe me I have both OSX and fc3.
Right way is done in printers:/// (ximian gnome or ubuntu) and in windows (if it would just stop scanning network printers, yep and that commes from me who never has anything positive to say about M$)
The largest open source project ever seems to be working fine; Linux itself.
Linux is just kernel. 5mio+ lines of source. Both X and openoffice are bigger. But if you think Linux as distribution this is not one OSS project, but collection of many.
My entire argument comes down to this; X is old. All code needs to die sometime, and X is a perfect candidate for being put out to pasture, and a good teaching example on how a windowing system can work, due to its simplicity. But we're in a world now with needs beyond what X can deliver, and we're at a point in which we're still dragging it along. Meanwhile Mac OS X has managed to implement an entire drawing engine, add nice hardware accelleration features (Quartz Extreme), make them useful (Exposé), and add to their usability once again (Dashboard). Windows "Avalon" (if it ever gets done) will add to the mix SVG interface definitions (I wouldn't doubt if Apple doesn't come out first with SVG-window rendering capabilities).
Code being old is not reason to die. Reason to die would be if someone introduced better solution that would make more benefit than lost time would mean for the project....But we're in a world now with needs beyond what X can deliver, and we're at a point in which we're still dragging it along.
What would that be? Expose? nope. As you see Xgl extension is more than capable for this. Quartz? nope, cairo, glitz and poppler are more than capable replacement. Dashboard? gdesklets and konfabulator are here now for a long time but I still haven't found practical use besides eye-candy. Avalon? nope, xforms being w3c standard is the way to go. Spotlight? nope, you have beagle Apple first in SVG? No, it wont. waimea already did that. cairo and glitz as system parts are following its lead
Just because it is one body doesn't mean that it can't have sub-bodies. Compare with the Linux kernel; broken down into archetectures.
Linux distro being about 40 to 50 mio lines or more. Who would maintain it? You? You would need one central figure or organization that is coordinating everything (and remember that this is not one way project, you've got office, x, desktop, kernel, networktools, cli utils...). And that would be a huge task for OSS.
Lastly, we need to do something we really haven't done with anything up to now (well, Mozilla and GNOME/KDE excluded; they've been really good at this in the past). We need to _design_ and _engineer_ the software, not just code it. Of course, engineers expect to be paid (even I have came to this conclusion after my last project, Charity), which is another reason open source software isn't innovating as much as we should hope.
Well, secret is simple. Write free for free and commercial for commercial. I always write at least two projects, from which one is OSS. From the other I either count to be paid in time (writing software for maintaing my servers, and this means that this one is OSS too) or in money (if there is a customer who ordered it, this is not OSS). I always try to help patching projects (that one is for free, because in the end I benefit if software works better from default)
I never thought OSS as charity, I benefit more than enough money from it, in fact last year my job was more or less based on OSS.
Ok, let me bite this one. I was talking about 3d effects done as they should.
Dock effect: Try this enable dock effect (very small dock, large icon when mouse over). Start some job. Move mouse over dock left and right. Measure time neaded to finish job with or without this. If this would be implemented over 3d there wouldn't be a difference of 300-400%. This is obviously pixbuff effect not 3d.
Drop shadow: Same goes for drop shadow effect. try moving over menus left and right, although CPU load is smaller. Job is smaller too, then again.
Expose: Ok, I give you this one. It is done as it should. Even video plays when minimized without loss of performance
But if you were only talking about visual effects (not limited to 3d and their 3d implementation), then I agree with all mentioned features.
Most current desktop operating systems have realized that the underpinning technologies for running the Graphical User Interface are just as important as the overpinnings that make it look good, and make it useful. The "middlepinnings" and the "sub-underpinnings" like OpenGL and transparency/image blurring/antialiasing/supersampling in Linux are other examples of screw ups; where everything is implemented as seperate projects, they are all going off in different directions, each leaving each other behind. If there were a central coordinating force, they'd be working together, and getting somewhere.
Yeah, and now imagine how large one project would that be. Companies do it this way, just because it is everything in one large product and everything is decided in that company. Not that it is better this way, but the more monolithic development hierarcy is in company, the more order it brings. Which is completely opposite of open source, where communities work on their project and communicate over specs with other project.
Now imagine such monolithic open source project....wrap the Windows drivers
Both Ati and Nvidia say that they use same codebase for windows and linux driver. Your wish is granted.
I have a Radeon 9200, 7000 and an NVidia TNT2. Sadly, the TNT2 proved to be most usable under Linux, but still performed better under Windows. As for ATi, I've yet to get either video card working.
Ok, I have Nvidia 4200, 5700, ati 9000 mobile, ati 9200 se and some older cards on my servers. All I can say is that both Ati cards worked like a charm under fc2 and fc3 out of the box. I even got more fps with xorg driver than with ati driver, except that I was missing one functionality (demo of spotlight for OSG didn't show any spotlight).
Oh, forgot Parphelia was a real bitch, matrox released drivers that supported 3d 1 year after I bought the card. So I don't use my Parphelia.
Best I can tell you is, insert 9200, download Ubuntu, install, test performance. That's the easiest way to test something. You can even try Ubutu live, although I can't say which driver is enabled there. Should be radeon if everything is done as it should be.
In 1986 Novell released Advanced NetWare version 2.0. With version 2.0 and all subsequent packages a NetBIOS interface has been included; Novell implemented NetBIOS encapsulated in IPX/SPX. Later Microsoft reverse- engineered the technology to provide encapsulation of NetBIOS in IPX/SPX that is compatible with the Novell implementation.
IBM Tokenring was in 1985 and NetBIOS dates to 1983
What do you mean, it's not "client/server"? Metadata can easily be transferred among machines running Tiger.
True, if you don't care about security, whole thing would be simple. Client/server demands a bit more than plain metadata
Here I was explaining difference between client/server and spotlight (being able to access network drives)
And currently, a plan that is vaporware.
Based on what, I hate M$ and I'm developer, but after reading their papers, I must admit it is not bad in design
Reindexing constantly is not needed, that is why kernel hooks for watching file system serve. You just hook on notifications and process when and where changes occur.
Which is exactly how Spotlight works. There is an initial indexing period, and that's it. Applications which support Spotlight directly will write metadata automatically when saving their files, and plug-ins for applications that do not (like Word) will be notified when that app saves a file and then write the appropriate metadata out.
Second whing you need is that filetype is supported and provides possibility to describe it self. Having everything working on client/server is a completely different case. You have to take case of privileges, network locations and client cooperation. If you do something on neighbours computer and store there?
Of course you need supported file types. The operating system isn't psychic. In the case of unrecognized types, only basic metadata (like Date Created, Date Modified, etc...) will be written out.
Now this bugs me, did you wanted to confirm what I said about how spotlight works? I was commenting difference between spotlight, beagle... against older search engines.
But I still can't decipher what this "client/server" rambling of yours actually means.
Being able to access to network search based on the network system policies, where clients store their queries (again with network system policies, some parts of your metadata should be visible for you from anywhere, but JoeSixPack shouldn't even get them visible as possible results) on server (if server is present).
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Sad story is that both of you are right, at least I can't help but agree with both of you.
I often make such comments in my source. But mostly they are without spaces or tabs at first character (not indented).
It is more like letting my frustration out and pointing out the badly written or hacked out parts which need redo on a first possible ocassion.
When you browse trough the code the next time you just can't help your self but to notice this.
2 differencies.
Wal-mart is probably in US only. These computers should be shipped worldwide. Remember that most of linux usage is non-US based
Second thing is that most of consumers use illegal windows and office copy (and only god knows how much other, personally I don't remember when was the last I've seen computer without copy Photoshop and AutoCAD). It is only question of time when Microsoft and BSA will start raiding at home. Common users aren't Microsoft fans, but taken the fact that software costs 0 (if you make illegal copy, that is), is what makes the tendency of sticking to windows. Cost 0, will always be the main driving force.
Personally, I feel that there is a much better success story for linux in PS3 (or something other like it). I just hope that there will be option to switch between computer and game mode in a form of some hibernate. After that you can have everything, games and software.
I have no trouble with people who present facts, the post I was responding to presented no such facts though. I know what he meant but come on, how hard is it to find the right link.
Question here. Do you talk about self here or what? All your posts could be translated to: "Lalalalalala, can't hear you, it works for me"
My issue is really with the irreparable part or the original troll though. The 2 GB wrap around was a long identified issue
Yes, and so is data corruption of PST files in this case.
In my personal repair logs, PST corruption would account for about 3% of repairs. And take it to consideration that more than 50% of users migrated of Outlook, to either Evolution on Linux or Thunderbird on Windows.
Is preventable
????? How? If you have one computer this is possible, but if you take carefor about 250 computers that is not so easy to achieve.
The mail that gets deleted during the recovery process though is the newest mail so its likely whoever sent it still has a copy so it might be embarassing to ask for another copy but again not irreprable.
Let me tell you one little fact. Some people are not home users. Do you even know how many e-mails one PR person can have per a day? How do you know which 1000 e-mails did you get this week, and how long will you ask people to send e-mails again?
You were asking about Exchange/IMAP/POP/Notes before
Yes, and facts.
POP. C'mon, could it be called mailer if it wouldn't support this one?
IMAP. Do you know how slow Outlook is on IMAP comapring it to Evolution and thunderbird?
EXCHANGE. Does work when OWA is enabled.
GROUPWISE. Yes.
OGO. Work in progress.
NOTES, I don't have Notes server to test against so you'll have to ask somebody else
Yep:) Got me here:)
Except to be even more accurate and nitpicking. RH and Apple are companies, Debian is not.
(:Sorry... Had to do my daily nitpicking contribution again:)
Wrong, search OS, apple is fruit or do you tell google not to search for
"linux" 188,000,000
"osx" 5,300,000
"os x" 96,700,000
"apple +software -fruit -tree -grows" 53,200,000
My personal opinions
How do you 'guess' OSX is a third option?
I wouldn't consider it 3rd, I don't value OSX so much. Even though I have G5.
Grab anyone off the street, and 10x more people will know what 'Macintosh' is as opposed to 'Linux'
Not in our coutry, apple just hasn't got the popularity here.
(even better, try a distro-guess the number that will recognize 'Debian' as opposed to 'Apple')
While Debian is OS distro, Apple is not. Apple is computer company. I think that valid description would be comparing apples to oranges:)
You could try Debian vs. OSX, but then again it is wrong too. OSX is OS, Debian is not, it is just one of Linux distros out in the world. Wrong again.
Valid comparisions here are, OSX to Linux (OS vs. OS) and for example Red Hat vs. Apple (Vendor vs. Vendor).
Guess my comment is doomed to be troll (as always when I state my OSX dislikes).
However, I wish the FP (and I don't mean first post) people and the GCC people would settle their pissing match.
Funny thing. But, FPC people are known for their pissing matches. Go and start reading their mailing list. It's one big pissing contest (in fact pascal people always held pissing contests with C, but I don't remember a lot of C people being bothered). Whenever someone tries to get something new... well, here we go...
They will be outsourced by common virus or spyware. Face it outsourcing is popular these days
What about if MS actually pulls this off?
best... joke.... ever....
But off course it does.
It will be "Broken windshield of death" instead of "Blue screen of death"
Pet buzzword?
Some people leave in their own dreams. Trouble is that you can't wake them up.
And yes, in their dreams Apple is the greatest contributor to OSS
Looks cool? Based on what?
4 lines on apple page? 20 lines man page? or brief description on Arstechnica (which could be more or less read as "Apple did it, so it is got to be cool")?
I would rather see D/BUS version of system wide launching mechanism. Unfortunatelly, that woulld mean that everything would have to support D/BUS, which would require a lot of rewriting.
D/BUS has very low requirements, it is running on *X and soon on Win too. What it would be nice it would be a possibility to access and work with D/BUS from low scripting level (bash, shell...). If you could register your script with system based D/BUS event?? That would be something.
Whetever but this one. It is no better than fc3.
Tell me the difference where OSX CUPS GUI is better than official fedora. The way that you define printers is practically the same. Believe me I have both OSX and fc3.
Right way is done in printers:/// (ximian gnome or ubuntu) and in windows (if it would just stop scanning network printers, yep and that commes from me who never has anything positive to say about M$)
The largest open source project ever seems to be working fine; Linux itself.
...But we're in a world now with needs beyond what X can deliver, and we're at a point in which we're still dragging it along.
Linux is just kernel. 5mio+ lines of source. Both X and openoffice are bigger. But if you think Linux as distribution this is not one OSS project, but collection of many.
My entire argument comes down to this; X is old. All code needs to die sometime, and X is a perfect candidate for being put out to pasture, and a good teaching example on how a windowing system can work, due to its simplicity. But we're in a world now with needs beyond what X can deliver, and we're at a point in which we're still dragging it along. Meanwhile Mac OS X has managed to implement an entire drawing engine, add nice hardware accelleration features (Quartz Extreme), make them useful (Exposé), and add to their usability once again (Dashboard). Windows "Avalon" (if it ever gets done) will add to the mix SVG interface definitions (I wouldn't doubt if Apple doesn't come out first with SVG-window rendering capabilities).
Code being old is not reason to die. Reason to die would be if someone introduced better solution that would make more benefit than lost time would mean for the project.
What would that be?
Expose? nope. As you see Xgl extension is more than capable for this.
Quartz? nope, cairo, glitz and poppler are more than capable replacement.
Dashboard? gdesklets and konfabulator are here now for a long time but I still haven't found practical use besides eye-candy.
Avalon? nope, xforms being w3c standard is the way to go.
Spotlight? nope, you have beagle
Apple first in SVG? No, it wont. waimea already did that. cairo and glitz as system parts are following its lead
Just because it is one body doesn't mean that it can't have sub-bodies. Compare with the Linux kernel; broken down into archetectures.
Linux distro being about 40 to 50 mio lines or more. Who would maintain it? You? You would need one central figure or organization that is coordinating everything (and remember that this is not one way project, you've got office, x, desktop, kernel, networktools, cli utils...). And that would be a huge task for OSS.
Lastly, we need to do something we really haven't done with anything up to now (well, Mozilla and GNOME/KDE excluded; they've been really good at this in the past). We need to _design_ and _engineer_ the software, not just code it. Of course, engineers expect to be paid (even I have came to this conclusion after my last project, Charity), which is another reason open source software isn't innovating as much as we should hope.
Well, secret is simple. Write free for free and commercial for commercial. I always write at least two projects, from which one is OSS. From the other I either count to be paid in time (writing software for maintaing my servers, and this means that this one is OSS too) or in money (if there is a customer who ordered it, this is not OSS). I always try to help patching projects (that one is for free, because in the end I benefit if software works better from default)
I never thought OSS as charity, I benefit more than enough money from it, in fact last year my job was more or less based on OSS.
Ok, let me bite this one. I was talking about 3d effects done as they should.
Dock effect: Try this
enable dock effect (very small dock, large icon when mouse over). Start some job. Move mouse over dock left and right. Measure time neaded to finish job with or without this. If this would be implemented over 3d there wouldn't be a difference of 300-400%. This is obviously pixbuff effect not 3d.
Drop shadow:
Same goes for drop shadow effect. try moving over menus left and right, although CPU load is smaller. Job is smaller too, then again.
Expose:
Ok, I give you this one. It is done as it should. Even video plays when minimized without loss of performance
But if you were only talking about visual effects (not limited to 3d and their 3d implementation), then I agree with all mentioned features.
btw. I tested this just now on my 10.3
Psssssssssssssssssssssssssttt.
...wrap the Windows drivers
But here I bite again:)
Most current desktop operating systems have realized that the underpinning technologies for running the Graphical User Interface are just as important as the overpinnings that make it look good, and make it useful. The "middlepinnings" and the "sub-underpinnings" like OpenGL and transparency/image blurring/antialiasing/supersampling in Linux are other examples of screw ups; where everything is implemented as seperate projects, they are all going off in different directions, each leaving each other behind. If there were a central coordinating force, they'd be working together, and getting somewhere.
Yeah, and now imagine how large one project would that be. Companies do it this way, just because it is everything in one large product and everything is decided in that company. Not that it is better this way, but the more monolithic development hierarcy is in company, the more order it brings. Which is completely opposite of open source, where communities work on their project and communicate over specs with other project.
Now imagine such monolithic open source project.
Both Ati and Nvidia say that they use same codebase for windows and linux driver. Your wish is granted.
I have a Radeon 9200, 7000 and an NVidia TNT2. Sadly, the TNT2 proved to be most usable under Linux, but still performed better under Windows. As for ATi, I've yet to get either video card working.
Ok, I have Nvidia 4200, 5700, ati 9000 mobile, ati 9200 se and some older cards on my servers. All I can say is that both Ati cards worked like a charm under fc2 and fc3 out of the box. I even got more fps with xorg driver than with ati driver, except that I was missing one functionality (demo of spotlight for OSG didn't show any spotlight).
Oh, forgot Parphelia was a real bitch, matrox released drivers that supported 3d 1 year after I bought the card. So I don't use my Parphelia.
Best I can tell you is, insert 9200, download Ubuntu, install, test performance. That's the easiest way to test something. You can even try Ubutu live, although I can't say which driver is enabled there. Should be radeon if everything is done as it should be.
Today????
Your earth has wrong date set. Call your planet administrator.
Meanwhile, on my earth April 29 will pass by just normally. Just as nothing would happen.
You mean the ONE and ONLY 3D effect in OSX, when you minimize to dock (or maximize from)??? You talk about lot of effects.
Translucency is planed to be window specific as I know. Additional menu in window system menu where you define translucency.
Integrating Gnome or KDE in X???
Just where do you live? Insane planet? X is underlaying layer for desktops not desktop it self.
Again, integrating Ati and Nvidia drivers in X?
People do use other cards you know. You can't make X specific for those cards, and say screw others.
What's next that you hope? Integrating X with kernel and CPU?
As for not being responsivene, either you screwed with settings, or you use some partialy supported video card.
Ok,
In 1986 Novell released Advanced NetWare version 2.0. With version 2.0 and all subsequent packages a NetBIOS interface has been included; Novell implemented NetBIOS encapsulated in IPX/SPX. Later Microsoft reverse- engineered the technology to provide encapsulation of NetBIOS in IPX/SPX that is compatible with the Novell implementation.
IBM Tokenring was in 1985 and NetBIOS dates to 1983
My bad about this.
What do you mean, it's not "client/server"? Metadata can easily be transferred among machines running Tiger.
...) will be written out.
True, if you don't care about security, whole thing would be simple. Client/server demands a bit more than plain metadata
Here I was explaining difference between client/server and spotlight (being able to access network drives)
And currently, a plan that is vaporware.
Based on what, I hate M$ and I'm developer, but after reading their papers, I must admit it is not bad in design
Reindexing constantly is not needed, that is why kernel hooks for watching file system serve. You just hook on notifications and process when and where changes occur.
Which is exactly how Spotlight works. There is an initial indexing period, and that's it. Applications which support Spotlight directly will write metadata automatically when saving their files, and plug-ins for applications that do not (like Word) will be notified when that app saves a file and then write the appropriate metadata out.
Second whing you need is that filetype is supported and provides possibility to describe it self. Having everything working on client/server is a completely different case. You have to take case of privileges, network locations and client cooperation. If you do something on neighbours computer and store there?
Of course you need supported file types. The operating system isn't psychic. In the case of unrecognized types, only basic metadata (like Date Created, Date Modified, etc
Now this bugs me, did you wanted to confirm what I said about how spotlight works? I was commenting difference between spotlight, beagle... against older search engines.
But I still can't decipher what this "client/server" rambling of yours actually means.
Being able to access to network search based on the network system policies, where clients store their queries (again with network system policies, some parts of your metadata should be visible for you from anywhere, but JoeSixPack shouldn't even get them visible as possible results) on server (if server is present).
That maybe?
Nope, client also has to post his index to server. And index of network volumes was local on OS8.x
Ok, Norton Utilities Fast find for windows 3.1 if you'd like to play like that