"Any policy that favours one thing over another isn't helpful," a Microsoft Europe spokeswoman told the Journal.
"It limits choice rather than increasing choice."
I think it's time to proclaim this Microsoft representative a troll. Two way reality is "their monopoly is greatest tendency to achieve what he says it isn't good in this case".
By the way, I don't recall they would say anything good about any other platform or software. They are always favouring their side and limiting choices with their "Security by obscurity" and closed formats.
Well, things you say must really depend on one fact "Who got it and who hasn't"
If you'd examine the date they found this unspecific yet unfound virus. It's the same time that Microsoft and McAffe wanted to sign a contract to tighten Windows security.
It's enough even to think about "possible" word and general non-Geek public will take that as definitive yes.
Actually not, they are just adapting to a new form of existance. Targeting geeks it was simple, every geek has it's own needs and would like it's own distribution.
Targeting masses actualy defines being more organized and more uniform. This way linux development actualy speeds up, what's one of the main things of this merging.
Setting one standard and deploying jobs across few companys that had to do all the work untill now. Speed is increasing, uniforming gets better and most importantly. There is a higher organisation level
Split programs into > Appllications & Games. It'll look much better.
I want my work apps native elf binary, made for linux in their origin. But games are far better suited to some controled environment, which you format simply by deleting that folder. Recreating (with a simple copy of originated winex folder) new one and here is your new formated games partition. If it would be so easy everywhere it would be very nice.
That way you can have separation of games and apps you use. And RPMs being so friendly to install and uninstall, make a realy clean platform for every user. (hopefully thay'll make a friendly list of RPMs groups being installed after initial system install, what would simplify install/uninstall greatly, even time framed groups would do nice)
Personaly I don't play games, but I'm supporting Transgaming. I even bothered to compare performance of winex with native Windows. There's just a little difference (sound is still a little buggy) which is easy forgotten just by smiling over games cleanup after playing.
I always think of winex as some native linux games Console, with a difference that installing a game is essential need, the step that consoles don't need. So, do reconsider benefits of that over the "native". It's the first time that games could be completely separated from a working bussines system, I hail to that.
"No security at all" they said. Where is the change? Except security holes that are harder to find.
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Personaly, I don't really play games much.
But, just to be funny, I feel rich on Linux, we've got more games than XBox:-D . So I really don't care if any game is even published for XBox. And I care even less for XBox Networking. But if I would consider gaming seriously I would go on PS2. Sony gets my trust way before Microsoft. Hell, even Jack the Ripper gets more trust then them.
Hail Transgaming. And I seriously hope this Microsoft network is gonna be a 1B$ fiasco, they deserve that with their last actions.
I just ment that there are ways to avoid "lemon law", which one is the best is yet to be found. But that should better be as quick as possible so forming a lists of interesting suggestions wouldn't hurt nobody. At least you'd try.
I'm from Europe so this isn't my bussines really (on the other hand it could be soon in my backyard too).
You don't need to die and surrender 5 months before the first battle. It hurts your health and beauty.
Not if free software would be passed on the right way.
Giving and selling makes difference. By selling something you must provide warranty as aquired by law, by giving something warranty is not included, at least not needed to provide with.
There is no need to fear of "lemon law". All that is needed is just right way to pass OSS solutions wide and avoid "lemon law" but still retainng good name of the OSS software.
It doesn't include "It's free, use it on your own risk, it's not final version"
In general it excludes licenses like commercial, GPL, FreeBSD, etc. as they are now, but it can't exclude open wide beta testing, prerelease promotion. So, with adding to GPL restrictions clause like that, that would define software as such, would be possible to avoid lemon law restrictions.
Software in development never matures to it's final stage. Yes, I know people like 1.0, 2.0 etc. But where is the final stage? Simply defining always "Development in progress, but this is what it's done so far", would avoid that kind of law. On the other hand people have no signed contract or receipt to show that as evidence at the court.
I know that in case such law would be passed, I would just make a clause on my web page. "ENTER" if you.... "LEAVE" if you.... Works for XXX pages.
Putting on web page something likethat is easy. Here is an example "Enter if you're interested in this software, but by entering you agree that this software hasn't matured to it's final stage (at least out of legal points, which don't allow free software to be passed on in different way, then being treated as work in progress), you also agree that software has provided you with license which defines how this software should be treated regarding distribution, usage etc. just the same as this software would reach it's final stage. Considering legal points passed by "lemon law", this clause and describing maturity state of this software, it's unfortunate necessity for this software being able to be passed on freely."
Of course, I'm from Europe and I'm not concerned with stupidity like that.:-)
Hope somebody is not offended with my bad English...
Matrox drivers on official drivers site were always open source. Go and try downloading whatsoever. Under section Binary downloads, there always download source.
So I don't get it, where is the problem
Out of linux box, always was pretty good support for linux drivers, except of my own gaming machine I never used drivers other than XFree original. But self compiling original Matrox and replacing them is just as simple. Installing "sh install.sh". Matrox covered drivers for every card except video features in Marvel. But there is enough info to get that running on www.matroxusers.com, I know I have. They even bothered to bring opensource Powerdesk to community. That's a lot more than nVidia. (closed source and no specialized configurator)
So where is your open source problem? Bitchin' at the wrong company, Matrox is one of the biggest Linux supporters from the start, it was probably one of the first graphics company's to release linux native drivers. This kind of politics just made me Matrox lover, and now "all of my cards, all Matrox":-)
First, they made it in last three weeks;-) and then again:-( for not posting Second Codeweavers is witholding code needed to run Quicktime and similiar stuff:-( Thrird Everybody's guilty, question is who is bigger guilty party:-( Fourth Is this project good or bad in its roots. Arguing and hiding on that level definitely isn't what's positive for linux in general
Last time I was listening to radio it was playing pop variant of "Pink Floyd - On the wall" which you can buy on CD legally. Sounded bad and band was one of the worst kind of human degradation. But band being from my country I know they haven't really purchase license to make a song killer.
That's illegal, they almost killed my favorite band and extending that to the legal matters where does that end?
Copy protection and patent on two consequtive notes? Three notes? Extend that on Internet asnd what do you get? Few companys bitchin' just because they aren't the ones that would make money out of it.
You can read Wine magazine to get second side opinion. All they do is bitchin' how wrong is to link some closed proprietary part of InstallShield (you pointed out it is possible), how transgaming is not playing fair for not publishing Copy Protection (this is legally impossible), etc.
It ends with a stupid comment Alexandre made comparing party with software development. Accused Transgaming for not posting their patches, how he's doing it for fun not for bussines etc. Infact stupid comment that opens up wrong opinion as soon as you finish reading.
But still, I can't run Quicktime, which I could with Codeweavers patch. That wasn't mentioned not even a bit. To finish, ReWind is nothing but trading and free place between Codeweavers, Transgaming and free developers. Isn't that tragic?
Where the hell has Wine development gone? To make second hand plugins each of them separately (just wait a month or two and Codeweavers will make Adobe Photoshop pacth selling it for 50$) enabling you to run some peace of software? That would make proprietary software even more expensive, harder to install and most of all, it takes off credibility of Linux.
I'm not saying it's bad selling something. Hell, I freely support 7 projects, develop one and I buy every piece of software I use, even though I could download it for free or pirate some.
All I'm saying, projects as Wine are developing more FUD and bad reputation than Wine development.
Not only trivial hacks, DIBs are hard core. Even Alexandre stated that. Then again, your whining about license. Complete GPL is impossible, as defined with legal reasons defined by some patents.
Secondary I'm a subscriber too. Let's say they have really bad support, but work is great. I actually haven't got any answer on my questions on forums. They answered on my E-Mails, in about week or two.
Look from the other side. Codeweavers plugin and Office plugin? Can you run any of those (QT, Schockwave, Office, WMP) by using CVS wine tree. NO? They aren't selling plugins, they sell solutions that work for them only. Closed source and not pubiished.
Reading their comments in Wine Magazine 122 or was it 121, I felt like the guilty one is Transgaming. But if you'd examine carefully work Transgaming is dealing with, license forces them to work that way. Some parts they made for WineX like Copy Protection just can't work under base Wine license (same reason as CSS for DVD, which is stupid if you ask me), so all they are asking is making patches available in secondary license which would allow them to push them out closed as demanded by patent.
On the other hand Codeweavers is selling Crossover plugin for a long time and look Quicktime under official Wine license still doesn't work??? I understand they'd sell plugins for browsers, but selling parts of Wine that allow QT to work? That's what exactly what Transgaming was acussed for, just some other parts of system (which are legally closed by patent).
So who is the guilty one? 1. Transgaming for not risking their bussines as demanded from Wine side? 2. Codeweavers for not publishing code for Quicktime to work? Even though Quicktime is not closed by any patent? 3. Wine for being so obviously on Codeweavers side? 4. ReWind for making compromise between all of them but obviously left on the side as a side player nobody really cares about.
Dumping the prices always takes at least one company down. This would be Redhat in this case. They couldn't possibly taken away new users from Mandrake and Suse. Their OS just hasn't got extra cookies, so it's hard for new users base, as a server there is only one best tool for every job, Redhat is just one of this tools for some jobs, but far from all.
..... I think you're mistaken on the extent??? But that's what the case is about, don't you think
.....(such as Netscape) to be the default browser????? That's already possible
.....everything else out there is fragmented (aside from perhaps MacOSX)??? That one is really fragmented between developers, you wouldn't believe on how many places you really find same files.
Asside from mentioning MacOSX (without knowledge about it) you've just described current state of Windows, that's not something new. IT ALREADY IS SO. If you're happy to live in a MS controlled world, I'm not. I wanna be free to use system as I decide. That's why I'm not using them. I'm not fighting for my self, if you'd look around your self you'd just see that there are people who are not really happy with their OS. I'm fighting for them. You just buy complete version, I'll buy stripped one, I will be happy and you will be happy. In fact everyone will be happy.
Just look at all the Linux distributions???? You know that you use 1/3 of time to setup linux. In time I just barelly set up Windows for my needs, my linux dostro is nicely tuned up already and working. I guess you haven't been trying linux lately. Before you post FUD like this you really should try Mandrake and measure time needed to setup some users desktop. Complete home users desktop along with dvd, divx, internet, office, dtp (as it is enabled in current state) in about one hour.
Please don't take me offensive, I'm not trying to be. I just hope I showed you there are people not really satisfied with current state. But nobody's forcing you, just be happy.
Just to point out again. I wan't both versions sttripped and unstripped not only unstripped, because someone like you might be satisfied and he shouldn't be left behind.
I don't really think that he said that you can't do it old way. I'm doing my config bashing in terminal not with Control panel. I'm a bit new to Mandrake but I like it (Control panels will probably just staj unused, except Software installer, Software installer is the forst one that goes beyond apt-get).
Mandrake does not dismiss terminal editing of configs (or Webmin), Mandrake just offers another one that is friendlier to new user. But still ssh and xterm rules.
I agree, latest 8.2 pro is polished like hell. Asdevelopment of that one goes by, I feel that there will be wizzards and setup control panels for everything by the time 9.0 is out.
Standard version you download from Internet? Well user friendly as is it is the only desktop killer wanna be distro I know. User friendly, preset and most of all considering that users are not pro's and geeks. Every newbie I installed Redhat was just dissapointed, evry newbie I installed Mandrake, stayed there and now all of them are considering Win partition as their XBox and nothing more.
Mandrake just offers best support possible for everybody not considering their knowledge.
I was already considering to move, after a long time using Redhat, there where some doubts, this add (and my dissapointment with Redhat after that moev) has just proven that this is the right time to move off Redhat.
Not to start a flame war. But modularity extends machine lifetime. By not being concerned with other things like some RAM demanding stupid upgrades nobody uses.
...... And who exactly would be allowed to build specialized versions of the OS? Other vendors? You'd be kidding yourselves to conclude that the courts could force Microsoft to give up their intellectual property rights to other vendors. The big plan is to make such version available to resellers. Isn't that so? That way resellers could benefit from other vendor solutions.
......Moreover, although modularity allows customizabilily, do you think that translates into something that would be more productive for the typical consumer?? Yes it would. Especially looked from a companys point of view. User wouldn't need to be bothered with anything else but Software he uses. Just a case example. XUL is a very nice interface I'm starting to use. I could make application with Mozilla, where no IE would be present. As you've said typical user doesn't know the difference between 95 and 98. Just the same case as to explain to that same user why two WebBrowsers and why two mailers. That machine doesn't use any other software than webbrowser and mailer. (Not to be concerned with that, for that task I'm using Linux, does this job much greater than any Windows could)
......Arguably speaking, the success of Windows lies on the fact that it is not fragmented nor modular as Linux is. The computer software industry would collapse if there were not any "standard" development platform in place. No software developer would invest significant R&D to write programs if there were 'n' possible versions of an operating systems on the market. Not to argue, I agree with that point of view, and that's the main reason why both versions are demanded. For those who wan't complete solution complete solution, for those who don't wan't that give them modular, they probably know why they demand modular version. I personally don't like WMP, IE, MS Outlook, throw them out. Simple file browser, Mozilla, MicroDVD and Winamp would do thing much better, with no overburning system while doing nothing. That's one case other case you're missing is that modular version of Windows does not ban to add those features same way as IE3 was, on separate CD. That's a good compromise if you ask me. As for software for 'n' versions,:-) is that why they stopped developing Shake for Windows. Is that why every day more and more projects comes to Linux. Not to bother that part is needless to answer, you can look on Internet and see I'm right.:-) And success of Windows lies on that case they were the only one. OS/2 is a sad but true case, Way better but overlooked by the World and IBM (they alone made OS/2 loose (wrong tactics and IBMs deal with MS), Microsoft just contributed big part of that with non-fair play). There were no other system at that time or do you think DR-DOS as a competition to WIndows?
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"Any policy that favours one thing over another isn't helpful," a Microsoft Europe spokeswoman told the Journal.
"It limits choice rather than increasing choice."
I think it's time to proclaim this Microsoft representative a troll. Two way reality is "their monopoly is greatest tendency to achieve what he says it isn't good in this case".
By the way, I don't recall they would say anything good about any other platform or software. They are always favouring their side and limiting choices with their "Security by obscurity" and closed formats.
Well, things you say must really depend on one fact "Who got it and who hasn't"
FUD I think.
If you'd examine the date they found this unspecific yet unfound virus. It's the same time that Microsoft and McAffe wanted to sign a contract to tighten Windows security.
It's enough even to think about "possible" word and general non-Geek public will take that as definitive yes.
.....This guy proves that WineX has flaws, whatever shall TransGaming's fans do??
I guess I'll continue to support them, to make even better WineX.
Being not complete is not a flaw, it's a stage of development.
Loki produced not even 20 games in 3 or 4 years. That's a fluorish, I say.
Actually not, they are just adapting to a new form of existance. Targeting geeks it was simple, every geek has it's own needs and would like it's own distribution.
Targeting masses actualy defines being more organized and more uniform. This way linux development actualy speeds up, what's one of the main things of this merging.
Setting one standard and deploying jobs across few companys that had to do all the work untill now. Speed is increasing, uniforming gets better and most importantly. There is a higher organisation level
Split programs into > Appllications & Games. It'll look much better.
I want my work apps native elf binary, made for linux in their origin. But games are far better suited to some controled environment, which you format simply by deleting that folder. Recreating (with a simple copy of originated winex folder) new one and here is your new formated games partition. If it would be so easy everywhere it would be very nice.
That way you can have separation of games and apps you use. And RPMs being so friendly to install and uninstall, make a realy clean platform for every user. (hopefully thay'll make a friendly list of RPMs groups being installed after initial system install, what would simplify install/uninstall greatly, even time framed groups would do nice)
Personaly I don't play games, but I'm supporting Transgaming. I even bothered to compare performance of winex with native Windows. There's just a little difference (sound is still a little buggy) which is easy forgotten just by smiling over games cleanup after playing.
I always think of winex as some native linux games Console, with a difference that installing a game is essential need, the step that consoles don't need. So, do reconsider benefits of that over the "native". It's the first time that games could be completely separated from a working bussines system, I hail to that.
That's where I agree. But on the other hand, what about linux kit for PS2, that one needs games too, doesn't it?
"No security at all" they said. Where is the change? Except security holes that are harder to find.
Personaly, I don't really play games much.
:-D . So I really don't care if any game is even published for XBox. And I care even less for XBox Networking. But if I would consider gaming seriously I would go on PS2. Sony gets my trust way before Microsoft. Hell, even Jack the Ripper gets more trust then them.
But, just to be funny, I feel rich on Linux, we've got more games than XBox
Hail Transgaming. And I seriously hope this Microsoft network is gonna be a 1B$ fiasco, they deserve that with their last actions.
I loved Lain series! Now I'll love network
So reseller should sue them, as customer sued him. Simple.
I just ment that there are ways to avoid "lemon law", which one is the best is yet to be found. But that should better be as quick as possible so forming a lists of interesting suggestions wouldn't hurt nobody. At least you'd try.
I'm from Europe so this isn't my bussines really (on the other hand it could be soon in my backyard too).
You don't need to die and surrender 5 months before the first battle. It hurts your health and beauty.
Not if free software would be passed on the right way.
Giving and selling makes difference. By selling something you must provide warranty as aquired by law, by giving something warranty is not included, at least not needed to provide with.
There is no need to fear of "lemon law". All that is needed is just right way to pass OSS solutions wide and avoid "lemon law" but still retainng good name of the OSS software.
At least for Free Open Source Software.
:-)
It doesn't include "It's free, use it on your own risk, it's not final version"
In general it excludes licenses like commercial, GPL, FreeBSD, etc. as they are now, but it can't exclude open wide beta testing, prerelease promotion. So, with adding to GPL restrictions clause like that, that would define software as such, would be possible to avoid lemon law restrictions.
Software in development never matures to it's final stage. Yes, I know people like 1.0, 2.0 etc. But where is the final stage? Simply defining always "Development in progress, but this is what it's done so far", would avoid that kind of law. On the other hand people have no signed contract or receipt to show that as evidence at the court.
I know that in case such law would be passed, I would just make a clause on my web page. "ENTER" if you.... "LEAVE" if you.... Works for XXX pages.
Putting on web page something likethat is easy. Here is an example
"Enter if you're interested in this software, but by entering you agree that this software hasn't matured to it's final stage (at least out of legal points, which don't allow free software to be passed on in different way, then being treated as work in progress), you also agree that software has provided you with license which defines how this software should be treated regarding distribution, usage etc. just the same as this software would reach it's final stage.
Considering legal points passed by "lemon law", this clause and describing maturity state of this software, it's unfortunate necessity for this software being able to be passed on freely."
Of course, I'm from Europe and I'm not concerned with stupidity like that.
Hope somebody is not offended with my bad English...
(preferably open source)??????
:-)
Matrox drivers on official drivers site were always open source. Go and try downloading whatsoever. Under section Binary downloads, there always download source.
So I don't get it, where is the problem
Out of linux box, always was pretty good support for linux drivers, except of my own gaming machine I never used drivers other than XFree original. But self compiling original Matrox and replacing them is just as simple. Installing "sh install.sh". Matrox covered drivers for every card except video features in Marvel. But there is enough info to get that running on www.matroxusers.com, I know I have. They even bothered to bring opensource Powerdesk to community. That's a lot more than nVidia. (closed source and no specialized configurator)
So where is your open source problem?
Bitchin' at the wrong company, Matrox is one of the biggest Linux supporters from the start, it was probably one of the first graphics company's to release linux native drivers. This kind of politics just made me Matrox lover, and now "all of my cards, all Matrox"
First, they made it in last three weeks ;-) and then again :-( for not posting :-( :-(
Second Codeweavers is witholding code needed to run Quicktime and similiar stuff
Thrird Everybody's guilty, question is who is bigger guilty party
Fourth Is this project good or bad in its roots. Arguing and hiding on that level definitely isn't what's positive for linux in general
Last time I was listening to radio it was playing pop variant of "Pink Floyd - On the wall" which you can buy on CD legally. Sounded bad and band was one of the worst kind of human degradation. But band being from my country I know they haven't really purchase license to make a song killer.
That's illegal, they almost killed my favorite band and extending that to the legal matters where does that end?
Copy protection and patent on two consequtive notes? Three notes? Extend that on Internet asnd what do you get? Few companys bitchin' just because they aren't the ones that would make money out of it.
You really should read Wine magazine before posting same answer twice to same person ;-)
I know it is possible, Wine tree doesn't allow it.
You can read Wine magazine to get second side opinion. All they do is bitchin' how wrong is to link some closed proprietary part of InstallShield (you pointed out it is possible), how transgaming is not playing fair for not publishing Copy Protection (this is legally impossible), etc.
It ends with a stupid comment Alexandre made comparing party with software development. Accused Transgaming for not posting their patches, how he's doing it for fun not for bussines etc. Infact stupid comment that opens up wrong opinion as soon as you finish reading.
But still, I can't run Quicktime, which I could with Codeweavers patch. That wasn't mentioned not even a bit. To finish, ReWind is nothing but trading and free place between Codeweavers, Transgaming and free developers. Isn't that tragic?
Where the hell has Wine development gone? To make second hand plugins each of them separately (just wait a month or two and Codeweavers will make Adobe Photoshop pacth selling it for 50$) enabling you to run some peace of software? That would make proprietary software even more expensive, harder to install and most of all, it takes off credibility of Linux.
I'm not saying it's bad selling something. Hell, I freely support 7 projects, develop one and I buy every piece of software I use, even though I could download it for free or pirate some.
All I'm saying, projects as Wine are developing more FUD and bad reputation than Wine development.
Not only trivial hacks, DIBs are hard core. Even Alexandre stated that. Then again, your whining about license. Complete GPL is impossible, as defined with legal reasons defined by some patents.
Secondary I'm a subscriber too. Let's say they have really bad support, but work is great. I actually haven't got any answer on my questions on forums. They answered on my E-Mails, in about week or two.
Look from the other side. Codeweavers plugin and Office plugin? Can you run any of those (QT, Schockwave, Office, WMP) by using CVS wine tree. NO? They aren't selling plugins, they sell solutions that work for them only. Closed source and not pubiished.
Transgaming, Codeweavers, Wine or ReWind?
Reading their comments in Wine Magazine 122 or was it 121, I felt like the guilty one is Transgaming. But if you'd examine carefully work Transgaming is dealing with, license forces them to work that way. Some parts they made for WineX like Copy Protection just can't work under base Wine license (same reason as CSS for DVD, which is stupid if you ask me), so all they are asking is making patches available in secondary license which would allow them to push them out closed as demanded by patent.
On the other hand Codeweavers is selling Crossover plugin for a long time and look Quicktime under official Wine license still doesn't work??? I understand they'd sell plugins for browsers, but selling parts of Wine that allow QT to work? That's what exactly what Transgaming was acussed for, just some other parts of system (which are legally closed by patent).
So who is the guilty one?
1. Transgaming for not risking their bussines as demanded from Wine side?
2. Codeweavers for not publishing code for Quicktime to work? Even though Quicktime is not closed by any patent?
3. Wine for being so obviously on Codeweavers side?
4. ReWind for making compromise between all of them but obviously left on the side as a side player nobody really cares about.
I vote for Codeweavers.
Dumping the prices always takes at least one company down. This would be Redhat in this case. They couldn't possibly taken away new users from Mandrake and Suse. Their OS just hasn't got extra cookies, so it's hard for new users base, as a server there is only one best tool for every job, Redhat is just one of this tools for some jobs, but far from all.
:-)
7.3 is the first Redhat I'll skip.
..... I think you're mistaken on the extent???
But that's what the case is about, don't you think
.....(such as Netscape) to be the default browser?????
That's already possible
.....everything else out there is fragmented (aside from perhaps MacOSX)???
That one is really fragmented between developers, you wouldn't believe on how many places you really find same files.
Asside from mentioning MacOSX (without knowledge about it) you've just described current state of Windows, that's not something new. IT ALREADY IS SO. If you're happy to live in a MS controlled world, I'm not. I wanna be free to use system as I decide. That's why I'm not using them. I'm not fighting for my self, if you'd look around your self you'd just see that there are people who are not really happy with their OS. I'm fighting for them. You just buy complete version, I'll buy stripped one, I will be happy and you will be happy. In fact everyone will be happy.
Just look at all the Linux distributions????
You know that you use 1/3 of time to setup linux. In time I just barelly set up Windows for my needs, my linux dostro is nicely tuned up already and working. I guess you haven't been trying linux lately. Before you post FUD like this you really should try Mandrake and measure time needed to setup some users desktop. Complete home users desktop along with dvd, divx, internet, office, dtp (as it is enabled in current state) in about one hour.
Please don't take me offensive, I'm not trying to be. I just hope I showed you there are people not really satisfied with current state. But nobody's forcing you, just be happy.
Just to point out again. I wan't both versions sttripped and unstripped not only unstripped, because someone like you might be satisfied and he shouldn't be left behind.
I don't really think that he said that you can't do it old way. I'm doing my config bashing in terminal not with Control panel. I'm a bit new to Mandrake but I like it (Control panels will probably just staj unused, except Software installer, Software installer is the forst one that goes beyond apt-get).
Mandrake does not dismiss terminal editing of configs (or Webmin), Mandrake just offers another one that is friendlier to new user. But still ssh and xterm rules.
I agree, latest 8.2 pro is polished like hell. Asdevelopment of that one goes by, I feel that there will be wizzards and setup control panels for everything by the time 9.0 is out.
Standard version you download from Internet? Well user friendly as is it is the only desktop killer wanna be distro I know. User friendly, preset and most of all considering that users are not pro's and geeks. Every newbie I installed Redhat was just dissapointed, evry newbie I installed Mandrake, stayed there and now all of them are considering Win partition as their XBox and nothing more.
Mandrake just offers best support possible for everybody not considering their knowledge.
I was already considering to move, after a long time using Redhat, there where some doubts, this add (and my dissapointment with Redhat after that moev) has just proven that this is the right time to move off Redhat.
Not to start a flame war. But modularity extends machine lifetime. By not being concerned with other things like some RAM demanding stupid upgrades nobody uses.
:-) is that why they stopped developing Shake for Windows. Is that why every day more and more projects comes to Linux. Not to bother that part is needless to answer, you can look on Internet and see I'm right. :-)
...... And who exactly would be allowed to build specialized versions of the OS? Other vendors? You'd be kidding yourselves to conclude that the courts could force Microsoft to give up their intellectual property rights to other vendors.
The big plan is to make such version available to resellers. Isn't that so? That way resellers could benefit from other vendor solutions.
......Moreover, although modularity allows customizabilily, do you think that translates into something that would be more productive for the typical consumer??
Yes it would. Especially looked from a companys point of view. User wouldn't need to be bothered with anything else but Software he uses. Just a case example. XUL is a very nice interface I'm starting to use. I could make application with Mozilla, where no IE would be present. As you've said typical user doesn't know the difference between 95 and 98. Just the same case as to explain to that same user why two WebBrowsers and why two mailers. That machine doesn't use any other software than webbrowser and mailer. (Not to be concerned with that, for that task I'm using Linux, does this job much greater than any Windows could)
......Arguably speaking, the success of Windows lies on the fact that it is not fragmented nor modular as Linux is. The computer software industry would collapse if there were not any "standard" development platform in place. No software developer would invest significant R&D to write programs if there were 'n' possible versions of an operating systems on the market.
Not to argue, I agree with that point of view, and that's the main reason why both versions are demanded. For those who wan't complete solution complete solution, for those who don't wan't that give them modular, they probably know why they demand modular version. I personally don't like WMP, IE, MS Outlook, throw them out. Simple file browser, Mozilla, MicroDVD and Winamp would do thing much better, with no overburning system while doing nothing. That's one case other case you're missing is that modular version of Windows does not ban to add those features same way as IE3 was, on separate CD. That's a good compromise if you ask me.
As for software for 'n' versions,
And success of Windows lies on that case they were the only one. OS/2 is a sad but true case, Way better but overlooked by the World and IBM (they alone made OS/2 loose (wrong tactics and IBMs deal with MS), Microsoft just contributed big part of that with non-fair play).
There were no other system at that time or do you think DR-DOS as a competition to WIndows?