But Perl is much more lenient in allowing really really horrible code, which for some reason a lot of people take advantage of.
I can think of several reasons:
If someone else can't fix it, then you'll be needed forever. That's in some people unconcious. They just do the things assuming that what their are doing is perfect (in terms of what he was asked to do).
They don't have in mind reusability, enhanceablity, debugablility, etc. They'd walk into a dead end street and not turn back until they hit the wall ("Dead end? How? I'm still moving forward!").
Time constraints. It's often the case that you can save a lot of time coding in ugly ways permited by a language.
At least that's what i saw in practice happen (with some slamm proyect i'm involved). Most noteably, the people doint the less readable code where really smart guys (iq).
Not to sound elitist, but the vast majority of posters on slashdot aren't qualified to have an opinion on the settlement. Are you a lawyer? Are you qualified to comment on the law in this case? Just because Microsoft wasn't shattered into a million tiny pieces does not mean the law as not followed. Your rhetoric indicates your position, but don't confuse your opinion with law.
Not to sound elitist, but the vast majority of the comments sent to the DoJ regarding the settlement are probably not from slahsdot users but from people and companies affected by the monopoly. The DoJ was not seeking legal advice but technical reasons, practical examples and factual data on how MS abused its position. Are do you own MS shares or work for them? Are you qualified to comment on how MS never crippled competition? Just because Microsoft wasn't shattered into a million tiny pieces does not mean the law has been followed. Your rhetoric indicates your position, but don't confuse your opinion with law.
Don't get me wrong, but how can Apple in the display business if they can't even design or manufacture a video card? Isn't the video card the most influencing piece of hardware when it comes to quality?
They've been using ATI cards that were available for PC years ago, and now they are using Nvidia's cards, that were also first used in PCs.
I know it's kind of off-topic, but i just want to point out that Apple can't get into this market and won't...
If they have build their own network and their own technology to do this, they should have been granted the patent, covering that technology and network. If some other company wanted to sell through it, they'd have to pay of face the law.
Who'd have though the americans where about to shoot themselves in the foot with the patents law!!
Sightsound claims that patents it filed in the late 80s covering the "electronic sale" of music and video over a "telecommunications line" cover most of the methods used today on the Internet to peddle music or vidoes
Right to sell something is the base of capitalism and ANY kind of free economy. In my opinion, this guys should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and put in jail for the rest of their lives, including the people that granted such a patent.
I could go on and explain 1000 reasons why things like this are ver dangerous, but i think it'd be redundant as a 10 year old boy could figure it out without help.
There should be a law that clarifies that "electronic comunications" is equal to eny other kind of "communications" be they verbal (buying over the phone), physical (buying at a shop) or paper (suscribing to a magazine with a coupon).
Will the EFF help CDNow with this case? I think they should and it's one of the many resons I support it (donations).
IP is there to promote innovation. But it has a hidden cost. There will come a time when the DoJ IP patents db will have say 4000000000000000000000 entries. Everyone of them may be fair, but even the tiniest project would demand a legal reseach of 4000000000000000000000 patents, to see if they infringe any of those.
Innovation: stoped
Start-ups: killed
So the current IP law doesn't scale. We'll have a problem and we are already having it. Big , because their always have something to sue back. Like the Nvidia vs. 3Dfx sues, AOL vs. Netscape, etc.
In the end, money goes to the Lawers and the effect on innovation is nil. Of course innovation still happens, but despite IP and not because of IP.
Wasen't capitalism about making poor people rich and keep rich people rich if they don't screw? Well not capitalism is about making rich people rich no matter what they do, and keep poor people poor.
I don't care, i have all they money i need. But the hidden problem is that alowing poor people to dream of beign rich is a key and powerfull tool for innovation.
Now innovation means patenting ideas. I bet you don't have a single IP patent. Maybe your company has some and you'll benefit from it until fired. They'll be hiring some other moron like you (pardon me the flame) with good ideas to rip you off.
Now, if you have some IP patent you own and that you didn't rip it off from someone else on salary, i'd apologize in public and publish photos of myself dressed in skirts...
Money IS speech. That's an unquestionable fact. Money shouldn't NOT be speech is another fact.
I amazes me how can we talk about democracy and fight comunism. The American asset is the ilusion of a democracy and the ilusion of equlity. But it's more like a Roman Empire in nature...
Capitalism is fine, but too much of anything is bad. When will people figure out, too much capitalism, too much competition, and not enough sharing is bad?
Erh...sorry but bad IP is just non-capitalistic. It's slows competition based on unfair legal rights to exploit the 99% other companies striving to innovate and offer better products.
What we need is MORE capitalism and not this legal pseudo-comunist IP law some large companies managed to abuse so they can have kingdoms of their own (like some peple in Rusia, Cuba, etc.)
Innovation and competition drives capitalism and not rights apropiation. After all, if everyone must pay royalties for every smart idea that partially relies in a stupid IP grant, who'd want to innovate?
My guess is that the law won't be changes until the goverment can measure how productivity grows in other countries vs. intenal productivity. That is already happening!
If I am correct, which i NEVER am (based on karma), it'd make sense for easy porting of all parts of DirectX apps. That is, for 3D alone it wouldn't make sense, but games already use DirectDraw, DirectSound and DirectWhatever so it could make sense to access all the emulation layers through DSL.
He didn't say choose a random language then work arround it so that it solves your problem. He's approach is correct. Maybe what you meant was: add to the prgram goals to be easily maintained (language supported in the future).
The strange thing is not what MS is saying, but that they release this after the memo from Bill stating that EVERYONE at MS should stop whatever the f*ck they where doing and focus in security issues (ie: drop features and anything new).
Gosh, masive distributed computing and everyone sharing everything...
You mean the best OS is a human brain style computer (or a digital human brain)? Why not then leave that work to us humans. After all, using our minds is OUR JOB and computers should make us think faster or aid our quest for knowledge.
AI is great and is the future...but making it humanlike is not very cretive. Eventually, we'd be able to just use DNA as source code and give life to ourselves inside a computer world (the next step would be to be able to compile a hard creature - that is solid state creature).
My piont is: I don't think bees/humans are a good Operating System of any kind. Unless a bee helps you carry out your work faster / better which i doubt. And a human does not help either. We are always trying to automa stuff, ie: less people doing more things, not the oposite.
Now if you want to find higher inteligence (through AI) that's fine with me.
Java runs SLOW for me. I don't know if it's because of the GUI implementations of what, but every medium sized Java app i have ever tried, ran slow and ugly.
.NET will probably use MFC for Windows so everything will look just display fast, integrated to the OS and similar to every other app. already installed.
I don't think it's a design problem, but JAVA failed on the desktop because of the OS integration at the GUI level. Nobody wants to use an ugly app that looks different from every other app in their GUI and that doesn't integrate well.
And that is why it didn't fail so horribly in the server market (disclaimer: some people will argue it is a success).
In related news, the DOJ yesterday announced that they will be publishing a CDROM version of the comments submitted by the public on the Microsoft anti-trust case. The CDROM will be available for free for private review and can be requested through the DOJ website. Here are the instalation instructions quoted at the DOJ website:
"Requirements:
Microsoft Passport (to request the CDROM)
Microsoft Windows 95 or compatible (for the CDROM to install)
Microsoft Word (for reading the full text of comments)"
At the end there's a note regarding duplication of the CDROM:
"All the contents copyright by US-DOJ and protected under the DMCA"
In related news, the DOJ yesterday announced that they will be publishing a CDROM version of the comments submitted by the public on the Microsoft anti-trust case. The CDROM will be available for free for private review and can be requested through the DOJ website. Here are the instalation instructions quoted at the DOJ website:
"Requirements:
Microsoft Passport (to request the CDROM)
Microsoft Windows 95 or compatible (for the CDROM to install)
Microsoft Word (for reading the full text of comments)
"
At the end there's a note regarding duplication of the CDROM:
"All the contents copyright by US-DOJ, and protected under the DMCA."
Yes, but maybe it's mainly due to the fact that they don't care. I mean, is monopoly subject to democracy? If 51% of the population enjoy a monopoly, should it be kept that way?
Or is Monopoly a bad thing when abused no matter how much some mayority may like it.
The main thing is some people like what it is today (to some degree), but will they like it the years to come? It WILL be late... Of course, people like it today because they are not aware that they are beign taxed for it. Hardly anyone notices the Microsoft tax, because it is very hidden in nature.
For most of the people, it's there, so they accept it like a natural law "Windows _IS_ the PC". Fortunately, some others know how things really are and how they will make everybody worst in the long run.
It's like terrorism. Sooner or later you will have to deal with it with your all the effort you can afford. Microsoft is dangerous for the US economy in the long run. They already have more power that any single corporation in the world, even more that the federal reserve. An economy 100% dependant on technology is ok. An economy whose bussiness depend on a single propietary architecture, it's a call for collapse.
I love MS products even though I use Linux everyday. I just hope they goverment can separate the "playground" (OS + networking + comunications standards) from the "games" (Applications, Interfaces, etc). Unless they want to pay the MS tax instead of collecting it.
Feature? How? There a zillions of good email readers, but there a really few good browsers. That's why every second spent in the email component is a waste of time. But of course, people may/will disagree and hey, they do it in their free time or just because they like to code, so i don't really complain.
Learn some math. One thing is reported problems or tech support calls, that would rise in the same amount than the installed base.
Another thing is problems found in the modem or OS. They could scale as a larger installed base makes for a more profitable exploit, but they are independant from installed base.
Our Apache web server keeps on logging attempts to execure cmd.exe and files like that. We are logging about 100.000 records a day. We already counted like 7 GB of those logs...
One time, our colocation provider asked us to monitor our system because someone on the subnet was abusing the link. They couldn't find the problem until i asked "are there any NT servers on the subnet?". 1 hour later apologies where in my mailbox:-) toghether with a huge discount.
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I can think of several reasons:
If someone else can't fix it, then you'll be needed forever. That's in some people unconcious. They just do the things assuming that what their are doing is perfect (in terms of what he was asked to do).
They don't have in mind reusability, enhanceablity, debugablility, etc. They'd walk into a dead end street and not turn back until they hit the wall ("Dead end? How? I'm still moving forward!").
Time constraints. It's often the case that you can save a lot of time coding in ugly ways permited by a language.
At least that's what i saw in practice happen (with some slamm proyect i'm involved). Most noteably, the people doint the less readable code where really smart guys (iq).
Not to sound elitist, but the vast majority of posters on slashdot aren't qualified to have an opinion on the settlement. Are you a lawyer? Are you qualified to comment on the law in this case? Just because Microsoft wasn't shattered into a million tiny pieces does not mean the law as not followed. Your rhetoric indicates your position, but don't confuse your opinion with law.
Not to sound elitist, but the vast majority of the comments sent to the DoJ regarding the settlement are probably not from slahsdot users but from people and companies affected by the monopoly. The DoJ was not seeking legal advice but technical reasons, practical examples and factual data on how MS abused its position. Are do you own MS shares or work for them? Are you qualified to comment on how MS never crippled competition? Just because Microsoft wasn't shattered into a million tiny pieces does not mean the law has been followed. Your rhetoric indicates your position, but don't confuse your opinion with law.
Don't get me wrong, but how can Apple in the display business if they can't even design or manufacture a video card? Isn't the video card the most influencing piece of hardware when it comes to quality?
They've been using ATI cards that were available for PC years ago, and now they are using Nvidia's cards, that were also first used in PCs.
I know it's kind of off-topic, but i just want to point out that Apple can't get into this market and won't...
If they have build their own network and their own technology to do this, they should have been granted the patent, covering that technology and network. If some other company wanted to sell through it, they'd have to pay of face the law.
Who'd have though the americans where about to shoot themselves in the foot with the patents law!!
Sightsound claims that patents it filed in the late 80s covering the "electronic sale" of music and video over a "telecommunications line" cover most of the methods used today on the Internet to peddle music or vidoes
Right to sell something is the base of capitalism and ANY kind of free economy. In my opinion, this guys should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and put in jail for the rest of their lives, including the people that granted such a patent.
I could go on and explain 1000 reasons why things like this are ver dangerous, but i think it'd be redundant as a 10 year old boy could figure it out without help.
There should be a law that clarifies that "electronic comunications" is equal to eny other kind of "communications" be they verbal (buying over the phone), physical (buying at a shop) or paper (suscribing to a magazine with a coupon).
Will the EFF help CDNow with this case? I think they should and it's one of the many resons I support it (donations).
I could build an identical system for 1/4 the price, the only downside being size and perhaps power consumption.
:)
You'd earn a Guiness record with it. Just think about it: "The biggest and cheapest MiniPC ever"...
Oh, wait...
Get some rest
I'd volunteer myself. Replying to spam is not a solution. Only hitting them hard in the head will work.
IP is there to promote innovation. But it has a hidden cost. There will come a time when the DoJ IP patents db will have say 4000000000000000000000 entries. Everyone of them may be fair, but even the tiniest project would demand a legal reseach of 4000000000000000000000 patents, to see if they infringe any of those. Innovation: stoped Start-ups: killed So the current IP law doesn't scale. We'll have a problem and we are already having it. Big , because their always have something to sue back. Like the Nvidia vs. 3Dfx sues, AOL vs. Netscape, etc. In the end, money goes to the Lawers and the effect on innovation is nil. Of course innovation still happens, but despite IP and not because of IP.
Wasen't capitalism about making poor people rich and keep rich people rich if they don't screw? Well not capitalism is about making rich people rich no matter what they do, and keep poor people poor.
I don't care, i have all they money i need. But the hidden problem is that alowing poor people to dream of beign rich is a key and powerfull tool for innovation.
Now innovation means patenting ideas. I bet you don't have a single IP patent. Maybe your company has some and you'll benefit from it until fired. They'll be hiring some other moron like you (pardon me the flame) with good ideas to rip you off.
Now, if you have some IP patent you own and that you didn't rip it off from someone else on salary, i'd apologize in public and publish photos of myself dressed in skirts...
If I had some karma to burn. You saved me having to write all that :)
Money IS speech. That's an unquestionable fact. Money shouldn't NOT be speech is another fact.
I amazes me how can we talk about democracy and fight comunism. The American asset is the ilusion of a democracy and the ilusion of equlity. But it's more like a Roman Empire in nature...
Capitalism is fine, but too much of anything is bad. When will people figure out, too much capitalism, too much competition, and not enough sharing is bad?
Erh...sorry but bad IP is just non-capitalistic. It's slows competition based on unfair legal rights to exploit the 99% other companies striving to innovate and offer better products.
What we need is MORE capitalism and not this legal pseudo-comunist IP law some large companies managed to abuse so they can have kingdoms of their own (like some peple in Rusia, Cuba, etc.)
Innovation and competition drives capitalism and not rights apropiation. After all, if everyone must pay royalties for every smart idea that partially relies in a stupid IP grant, who'd want to innovate?
My guess is that the law won't be changes until the goverment can measure how productivity grows in other countries vs. intenal productivity. That is already happening!
If I am correct, which i NEVER am (based on karma), it'd make sense for easy porting of all parts of DirectX apps. That is, for 3D alone it wouldn't make sense, but games already use DirectDraw, DirectSound and DirectWhatever so it could make sense to access all the emulation layers through DSL.
He didn't say choose a random language then work arround it so that it solves your problem. He's approach is correct. Maybe what you meant was: add to the prgram goals to be easily maintained (language supported in the future).
The strange thing is not what MS is saying, but that they release this after the memo from Bill stating that EVERYONE at MS should stop whatever the f*ck they where doing and focus in security issues (ie: drop features and anything new).
Gosh, masive distributed computing and everyone sharing everything...
RMS was a futurist, didn't you know?
You mean the best OS is a human brain style computer (or a digital human brain)? Why not then leave that work to us humans. After all, using our minds is OUR JOB and computers should make us think faster or aid our quest for knowledge.
AI is great and is the future...but making it humanlike is not very cretive. Eventually, we'd be able to just use DNA as source code and give life to ourselves inside a computer world (the next step would be to be able to compile a hard creature - that is solid state creature).
My piont is: I don't think bees/humans are a good Operating System of any kind. Unless a bee helps you carry out your work faster / better which i doubt. And a human does not help either. We are always trying to automa stuff, ie: less people doing more things, not the oposite.
Now if you want to find higher inteligence (through AI) that's fine with me.
Java runs SLOW for me. I don't know if it's because of the GUI implementations of what, but every medium sized Java app i have ever tried, ran slow and ugly.
.NET will probably use MFC for Windows so everything will look just display fast, integrated to the OS and similar to every other app. already installed.
I don't think it's a design problem, but JAVA failed on the desktop because of the OS integration at the GUI level. Nobody wants to use an ugly app that looks different from every other app in their GUI and that doesn't integrate well.
And that is why it didn't fail so horribly in the server market (disclaimer: some people will argue it is a success).
"Requirements:
Microsoft Passport (to request the CDROM)
Microsoft Windows 95 or compatible (for the CDROM to install)
Microsoft Word (for reading the full text of comments)"
At the end there's a note regarding duplication of the CDROM:
"All the contents copyright by US-DOJ and protected under the DMCA"
"Requirements:
Microsoft Passport (to request the CDROM)
Microsoft Windows 95 or compatible (for the CDROM to install)
Microsoft Word (for reading the full text of comments) "
At the end there's a note regarding duplication of the CDROM:
"All the contents copyright by US-DOJ, and protected under the DMCA."
Yes, but maybe it's mainly due to the fact that they don't care. I mean, is monopoly subject to democracy? If 51% of the population enjoy a monopoly, should it be kept that way?
Or is Monopoly a bad thing when abused no matter how much some mayority may like it.
The main thing is some people like what it is today (to some degree), but will they like it the years to come? It WILL be late... Of course, people like it today because they are not aware that they are beign taxed for it. Hardly anyone notices the Microsoft tax, because it is very hidden in nature.
For most of the people, it's there, so they accept it like a natural law "Windows _IS_ the PC". Fortunately, some others know how things really are and how they will make everybody worst in the long run.
It's like terrorism. Sooner or later you will have to deal with it with your all the effort you can afford. Microsoft is dangerous for the US economy in the long run. They already have more power that any single corporation in the world, even more that the federal reserve. An economy 100% dependant on technology is ok. An economy whose bussiness depend on a single propietary architecture, it's a call for collapse.
I love MS products even though I use Linux everyday. I just hope they goverment can separate the "playground" (OS + networking + comunications standards) from the "games" (Applications, Interfaces, etc). Unless they want to pay the MS tax instead of collecting it.
Feature? How? There a zillions of good email readers, but there a really few good browsers. That's why every second spent in the email component is a waste of time. But of course, people may/will disagree and hey, they do it in their free time or just because they like to code, so i don't really complain.
Screw securityfocus, let's look at raw numbers from our microtrend viruswall linux edition:
Windows virus detected: 76452
Windows virus variants detected: 493
Other OS virus detected: 0
Other OS virus variantes detected: 0
That means that if i didn't have :
1) the antivirus software
2) NAT firewalling
then we'd be completely screwed.
What good is testing a server OS without server applications while every sysadmin is trying the hell to stay clean from Windows worms and virus?
Learn some math. One thing is reported problems or tech support calls, that would rise in the same amount than the installed base.
Another thing is problems found in the modem or OS. They could scale as a larger installed base makes for a more profitable exploit, but they are independant from installed base.
Our Apache web server keeps on logging attempts to execure cmd.exe and files like that. We are logging about 100.000 records a day. We already counted like 7 GB of those logs...
:-) toghether with a huge discount.
One time, our colocation provider asked us to monitor our system because someone on the subnet was abusing the link. They couldn't find the problem until i asked "are there any NT servers on the subnet?". 1 hour later apologies where in my mailbox