At 6Ghz, you are very close to the speed of light in copper, so unless you can break the speed of light... its a "physics limit".
Below this point you have the problem of energy efficiency, i.e. whats the point of spending more energy on cooling than on actually powering the thing?
Intel's 3d-transistors are HUGE because of this, they can push higher clock speed more easily.
I doubt this is a serious question, if you even glimpse at the price difference here, its quite clear what to do.
Especially considering that you can run IP over Infiniband.
10GbE simply does not belong in HPC solutions.
In short, Israel is an associate member state for at least 24months, after which they may become a member state.
Israel to become Associate Member State of CERN
Geneva 16 September 2011. CERN Director General Rolf Heuer and Israeli Ambassador and Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations Office and other International Organizations in Geneva, H.E. Mr. Aharon Leshno-Yaar today signed a document admitting Israel to CERN Associate Membership, subject to ratification by the Knesset. Following ratification, Israel will become an Associate Member of CERN for a minimum period of 24 months. Following this period, CERN Council will decide on the admission of Israel to full Membership, taking into account the recommendations of a task force to be appointed for this purpose. Israel has a long-standing relationship with CERN, and has been an Observer at the CERN Council since 1991.
“It is a vital part of our mission to build bridges between nations. This agreement enriches us scientifically, and is an important step in that direction,” said CERN Director General Rolf Heuer. “I am very pleased that CERN’s relationship with Israel is moving to a higher level.”
“I am very happy with this decision,” said Eliezer Rabinovici, Professor and Director of the Institute for Advanced Study at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and Israel’s scientific observer to Council. “I view it as recognition of the Israeli contributions, both scientific and technological to CERN over the years. The Israeli scientific community is looking forward to the continuation of this joint adventure.”
Israel has a strong tradition in both experimental and theoretical particle physics, with a major involvement in the OPAL experiment at CERN’s flagship accelerator through the 1990s, the Large Electron Positron collider. Israel’s accession to Observer status in 1991 followed an agreement to contribute funds to the CERN budget to support Israeli scientists, as well as providing equipment to CERN. The Israeli fund also contributed to LEP running, supported LHC construction and R&D for future accelerators. During its association with CERN, Israel has also supported Palestinian students at CERN, notably sending mixed Israeli-Palestinian contingents to CERN’s summer student programme.
In 2009, Israel was accepted as a special Observer State, with the right to attend restricted Council sessions for discussions of LHC matters. Israel currently has a strong involvement in the ATLAS experiment, and participates in a number of other experiments at CERN.
Based on how many that disagree with you here.
I'd like to point out something that you statements completely ignore, namely democracy!
Taking into account that Iceland is arguably the first democracy in the world, since the anicent greeks didn't allow women to vote.
Why the US based their system on the British imperialist models i beyound me, but corporations were more than happy to fill the power vacuum left by not having a nobility/upper class and royal family(people who's self interest by extension IS the wealth of the state -- opposed to what the state can do for you, or not do for others) to balance out the dualism, shocking that a crippled bad system doesn't work better then a bad system.
Privatizing government is such a ridiculously bad idea, that there really are no words.
There is a reason for dividing power, between government, court of law, and law enforcement -- arguably there should be more such divisions.
What happens when you circumvent this by allowing corporations to do the tasks of government, or even allowing the state to outsource its responsbilities.
You can no longer brag about having a democracy at all, since essentially, you have a power system that is more powerfull then the state.
Namely, financial systems excert control over society.
It's no longer about the wealth of nations, its about the wealth of multinational corporations!
I for one don't agree with this 'democracy'.
If the sate can't provide for a countries infrastrcture, and whats of national interest for the people -- whats the point?
Also, I find it worrysome that multinational corporations can cut of supplies to armies, and in addition have their own 'armies' (security firms).
I don't recognize this so called anti state monopoly that you refer to, as anything other then capitalism; it resembles more feudal kingdoms in the middle ages then a democracy.
Don't ever switch filesystems, AFS locks you in for life!
AFS volume based backup *shudder*.
AFS is great as long as you don't need performance.
However, there is some interesting developments in AFS+OSD, but this is also mostly for those who painted themselves into a corner.
Personally I'd much rather "suffer" and use something like GlusterFS (which suffers in small file I/O), but not big files.
Only AFS and NFS does CacheFS.
This is mudslinging, there are no rational reasons to believe he would be involved.
Reporters asking thoughtless questions is hardly news, nothing to see here.
are the scientists working with it particularly bright?
I don't think CERN scientists have a higher ratio of photon radiance in the visible spectrum (or even outside it) than scientists in other institutions.
I can tell from your data that you didn't actually collide that question at CERN.
WTF are these guys doing with this thing? They use it like a toy. Nothing of value has come of it that I've read about. I know research takes time, but they're just data collecting. What distinguishes this collider from any other collider in the world? What do they get from building this machine that they wouldn't from another one? I know this one is bigger... Does that mean more resolution? Was the extra resolution necessary?
Toy, experiment -- whats the difference?
But the main thing is that you measure the constituents that make up this world, ask yourself if there is value in knowing the weight, volume and speed of something.
What is being done is allowing for greater precision when making, well, anything.
And the less obvious benefit is that basically, MRI imaging, and all of these fancy things you get at a hospital was once bleeding edge physics.
An MRI machine is essentially a detector, and in this sense its a double benefit because no only do you get more accuracy because of higher precision, but you get better, more accurate, precies and safe radiology treatments and x-rays and so forth.
The accelerators that predates LHC are more like its younger siblings and past generations.
Like how the accelerators that were bleeding edge several decades ago are now to be found in hospitals treating cancer.
It took 46 years before the first proton accelerator was installed in hospitals, but hey!
LHC does lead and proton collisions.
Also considering how 80% of the economy is based on quantum mechanics in some way or another.
This research without a doubt leads to economic growth, just too bad you cannot invest stocks in it -- the effect is unilateral.
This machine will run for the next 30-40 years, the cost weighed against the benefit is laughable.
The next accelerator from CERN will collide electrons i believe.
I can watch Netflix using Chrome, but the Project Tuva site says my browser isn't supported for Silverlight...
So I went to the effort of setting up moonlight (4.0), getting it to work on chrome compiling necessary software.
Even the silverlight port of Quake worked (quakelight), albeit actually playing didn't.
However, that site denies me access because my browser isn't "officially" supported -- surprise surprise.
Where I work, there are mostly physicists, most of them use Linux and quite a few use OSX, windows users being a (very) small minority.
Physicists in practice being denied access to the lectures by one of the most inspiring physicists throughout history.
Have to give it to M$, they are consistent when it comes to coercing / luring people into using their products.
If at least it was the first of April, there would be a glimmer of hope for this cretinous hostage-taking of a truly great man.
Whats wrong with the world when someone can own this, wasn't he essentially paid by the people?
Now, where is my public-access to science and the educators of the public!
Some parts of the internet needs to reinvent itself imo. And that if EU made a ceperate net wouldnt be a bad start, i doubt usa would be excluded in that extent that no countries would link.
Would it be so bad if UN ran the inet, and made decisions and funding to keep it sane.
The pessimists would atleast calm down a bit(or not).
i second that, EU should really have more influence over europe then USA. And i would like to see a realy competitor to.com ICANN and the main toplevel domains isnt very appealing anymore.
Yeah, i remeber reading about the poles flipping. the magnetical north pole is closing in on canada, or somewhere near there. Werent we going to get much less gravity as a result?
Slashdot Mirror
Dear Prof. Dawkins, What happened with the collaboration between you and Dennett, I dont recall hearing anything about why it ended?
At 6Ghz, you are very close to the speed of light in copper, so unless you can break the speed of light... its a "physics limit".
Below this point you have the problem of energy efficiency, i.e. whats the point of spending more energy on cooling than on actually powering the thing?
Intel's 3d-transistors are HUGE because of this, they can push higher clock speed more easily.
I doubt this is a serious question, if you even glimpse at the price difference here, its quite clear what to do.
Especially considering that you can run IP over Infiniband.
10GbE simply does not belong in HPC solutions.
Israel to become Associate Member State of CERN
Geneva 16 September 2011. CERN Director General Rolf Heuer and Israeli Ambassador and Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations Office and
other International Organizations in Geneva, H.E. Mr. Aharon Leshno-Yaar today signed a document admitting Israel to CERN Associate Membership, subject to
ratification by the Knesset. Following ratification, Israel will become an Associate Member of CERN for a minimum period of 24 months. Following this period,
CERN Council will decide on the admission of Israel to full Membership, taking into account the recommendations of a task force to be appointed for this purpose.
Israel has a long-standing relationship with CERN, and has been an Observer at the CERN Council since 1991.
“It is a vital part of our mission to build bridges between nations. This agreement enriches us scientifically, and is an important step in that direction,” said CERN
Director General Rolf Heuer. “I am very pleased that CERN’s relationship with Israel is moving to a higher level.”
“I am very happy with this decision,” said Eliezer Rabinovici, Professor and Director of the Institute for Advanced Study at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem
and Israel’s scientific observer to Council. “I view it as recognition of the Israeli contributions, both scientific and technological to CERN over the years. The Israeli
scientific community is looking forward to the continuation of this joint adventure.”
Israel has a strong tradition in both experimental and theoretical particle physics, with a major involvement in the OPAL experiment at CERN’s flagship
accelerator through the 1990s, the Large Electron Positron collider. Israel’s accession to Observer status in 1991 followed an agreement to contribute funds to the
CERN budget to support Israeli scientists, as well as providing equipment to CERN. The Israeli fund also contributed to LEP running, supported LHC construction
and R&D for future accelerators. During its association with CERN, Israel has also supported Palestinian students at CERN,
notably sending mixed Israeli-Palestinian contingents to CERN’s summer student programme.
In 2009, Israel was accepted as a special Observer State, with the right to attend restricted Council sessions for discussions of LHC matters. Israel currently has
a strong involvement in the ATLAS experiment, and participates in a number of other experiments at CERN.
I thought the orginal was written by Sagan, if that is the case.
Please don't exploit his widow, or let her...
Exploit Sagan's Legacy!
Based on how many that disagree with you here.
I'd like to point out something that you statements completely ignore, namely democracy!
Taking into account that Iceland is arguably the first democracy in the world, since the anicent greeks didn't allow women to vote.
Why the US based their system on the British imperialist models i beyound me, but corporations were more than happy to fill the power vacuum left by not having a nobility/upper class and royal family(people who's self interest by extension IS the wealth of the state -- opposed to what the state can do for you, or not do for others) to balance out the dualism, shocking that a crippled bad system doesn't work better then a bad system.
Privatizing government is such a ridiculously bad idea, that there really are no words.
There is a reason for dividing power, between government, court of law, and law enforcement -- arguably there should be more such divisions.
What happens when you circumvent this by allowing corporations to do the tasks of government, or even allowing the state to outsource its responsbilities.
You can no longer brag about having a democracy at all, since essentially, you have a power system that is more powerfull then the state.
Namely, financial systems excert control over society.
It's no longer about the wealth of nations, its about the wealth of multinational corporations!
I for one don't agree with this 'democracy'.
If the sate can't provide for a countries infrastrcture, and whats of national interest for the people -- whats the point?
Also, I find it worrysome that multinational corporations can cut of supplies to armies, and in addition have their own 'armies' (security firms).
I don't recognize this so called anti state monopoly that you refer to, as anything other then capitalism; it resembles more feudal kingdoms in the middle ages then a democracy.
Don't ever switch filesystems, AFS locks you in for life!
AFS volume based backup *shudder*.
AFS is great as long as you don't need performance.
However, there is some interesting developments in AFS+OSD, but this is also mostly for those who painted themselves into a corner.
Personally I'd much rather "suffer" and use something like GlusterFS (which suffers in small file I/O), but not big files.
Only AFS and NFS does CacheFS.
You can expect Scientific Linux 6 to be released in the not too distant future.
http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/scientific6/
From reading the article, you add fresh water first;
then salt water -- the saltier the better -- this stage giving you the power
Then you start the cycle over again, cleaning out and adding fresh water.
No desalination of water involved, unless creating more brackish water is what you want.
Bad news for those without excessive access to fresh water near the coast.
But would be interesting to know how clean the water needs to be -- tolerance for pollutants.
mod parent up.
This is mudslinging, there are no rational reasons to believe he would be involved.
Reporters asking thoughtless questions is hardly news, nothing to see here.
are the scientists working with it particularly bright?
I don't think CERN scientists have a higher ratio of photon radiance in the visible spectrum (or even outside it) than scientists in other institutions.
I can tell from your data that you didn't actually collide that question at CERN.
WTF are these guys doing with this thing? They use it like a toy. Nothing of value has come of it that I've read about. I know research takes time, but they're just data collecting. What distinguishes this collider from any other collider in the world? What do they get from building this machine that they wouldn't from another one? I know this one is bigger... Does that mean more resolution? Was the extra resolution necessary?
Toy, experiment -- whats the difference?
But the main thing is that you measure the constituents that make up this world, ask yourself if there is value in knowing the weight, volume and speed of something.
What is being done is allowing for greater precision when making, well, anything.
And the less obvious benefit is that basically, MRI imaging, and all of these fancy things you get at a hospital was once bleeding edge physics.
An MRI machine is essentially a detector, and in this sense its a double benefit because no only do you get more accuracy because of higher precision, but you
get better, more accurate, precies and safe radiology treatments and x-rays and so forth.
The accelerators that predates LHC are more like its younger siblings and past generations.
Like how the accelerators that were bleeding edge several decades ago are now to be found in hospitals treating cancer.
It took 46 years before the first proton accelerator was installed in hospitals, but hey!
LHC does lead and proton collisions.
Also considering how 80% of the economy is based on quantum mechanics in some way or another.
This research without a doubt leads to economic growth, just too bad you cannot invest stocks in it -- the effect is unilateral.
This machine will run for the next 30-40 years, the cost weighed against the benefit is laughable.
The next accelerator from CERN will collide electrons i believe.
I can watch Netflix using Chrome, but the Project Tuva site says my browser isn't supported for Silverlight...
So I went to the effort of setting up moonlight (4.0), getting it to work on chrome compiling necessary software.
Even the silverlight port of Quake worked (quakelight), albeit actually playing didn't.
However, that site denies me access because my browser isn't "officially" supported -- surprise surprise.
Where I work, there are mostly physicists, most of them use Linux and quite a few use OSX, windows users being a (very) small minority.
Physicists in practice being denied access to the lectures by one of the most inspiring physicists throughout history.
Have to give it to M$, they are consistent when it comes to coercing / luring people into using their products.
If at least it was the first of April, there would be a glimmer of hope for this cretinous hostage-taking of a truly great man. Whats wrong with the world when someone can own this, wasn't he essentially paid by the people?
Now, where is my public-access to science and the educators of the public!
its taken too far, i agree if thats the point your trying to express.
Some parts of the internet needs to reinvent itself imo. And that if EU made a ceperate net wouldnt be a bad start, i doubt usa would be excluded in that extent that no countries would link. Would it be so bad if UN ran the inet, and made decisions and funding to keep it sane. The pessimists would atleast calm down a bit(or not).
i second that, EU should really have more influence over europe then USA. .com ICANN and the main toplevel domains isnt very appealing anymore.
And i would like to see a realy competitor to
Yeah, i remeber reading about the poles flipping. the magnetical north pole is closing in on canada, or somewhere near there. Werent we going to get much less gravity as a result?