Last production robot i dealt with you 'programmed it' by walking it thru the paces in a 'learn mode'. While the back end there was software of course, the person 'showing' it how to do the job didn't need to know this.
You either must have worked for some really nice organizations or this was a long time ago...
Still valid as of of yesterday. ( we have Saturday staff ). Been doing the IT thing for 30 years. ( not the same company all that time )
Perhaps i'm spoiled/lucky, but i haven't experienced these companies you speak of that don't care about their users ( not caring about internal staff, sure.. ).. And sure there are always limits on how far we go, which vary from place to place, but no where near the limits you have seen apparently.
Sad really. Without the users there would be little need for IT staff in the first place... And we are all end users to someone...
We are not talking about actual history, like the crusades where Christians killed millions, or the founding of the country.. The OP was talking about useless computer history..
Much as it really does not matter if you understand where your car came from, unless you are going to become an automotive engineer.
Also, i was not talking about never learning things, only that force feeding a child useless facts is pointless. if the child comes to you and asks, sure.. We are also talking *children* here, not college students.
In any large organization i have worked for, if all you did is blow the customer off and call for a reload because they asked how to do something simple in MSO, you would not be there the next day. ( this would apply to both level 1 and higher levels, and in some cases you are expected to know a hell of a lot more at higher levels ). If all you do is say 'is it installed' then you are a call center robot, not a help desk.
Do you need to be at a expert level? Most often not, but a working knowledge is required. Now, that out of the way, what i was responding to was a statement that it was completely unimportant which of course is not true in the real world.
Sure, if your kid comes to you asking you teach him ( or her ) anything they want.. or at least support their learning if you don't have a clue about the subject and cant do it yourself.
But that isn't how i interpreted the topic, where the father wanted to force this on his children since he felt it was cool, not for any rational or useful reason.
Teaching them about the 'history of computers' is going to get them nowhere, and perhaps even stunt their growth. Where their fancy iPad came from is not relevant information to 99.99999% of the people out there. How to use what they have, is.
Knowing how to code in assembler on a Z80 is totally worthless for a child today and has no value. Teach them where the oil is in their car, how to cook dinner or fix a light switch, ( or if they are really young, to keep quiet and stay off my lawn ) something of actual value.
I have to disagree, as regardless of what you personally like or dislike, MSO is still prevalent in the business world and if you are going to be in IT and actually have a job, you have to at least have a clue of what your future companies end users are working with. Once ( if ) you grow up and get out in the real world, you will find out how things actually work out there. .
Hell, most likely you will start working the help desk and supporting it, to prove you have skills.. so better suck it up, and shut up. Good luck.
They don't care, cant relate, nor do they really need to. Once you get to college age, then 'history' becomes more relevant, but younger kids, it really isn't.
I've been using android for years, but I've got to say, you Google fanboys are getting to be as bad as the Apple team.
If you look at some of my other posts on this ( and related ) topic you can clearly see i'm not a fanboy and quite displeased with many of Google decisions/moves.. But i'm also not a moron, as you apparently are.
Is a terrible setback these days. He had a point in the past, that time is now over and he needs to get the hell out of the way and stop trying to hinder progress.
The point i was making is that if they are going to be militant about it, there should be an option to buy it from the market on your own, and not be stuck with the choice your vendor made.
THAT would be true consumer choice. Not this crap way of doing business.
I really doubt that and call BS. Sure, many of us go out of our way to remove carrier boat, but crippling your device by removing the fundamental Google framework? I seriously doubt it.
But if by chance i'm wrong and you really are a member of that small group of dumb-asses who do, more power to you, idiot.
you must not get out much into the true Chinese market. I would be hard pressed to find a device that didn't have the framework installed and operational. I'm not talking about the cheap crap at CVS or Walmart, but the true no-name products direct from the mainland.
True, i agree that Google has never 'approved' of this, but to be honest i don't give a flying-F what Google 'approves' of. I don't acknowledge the concept of IP, so will can do whatever i like.
But beyond all of that, my interpretation of this new move towards more restrictions isn't just more of the same 'we frown on this' but moving towards preventing devices that are not a 'blessed model' to be able to access the back end APIs.. *that* will piss me off to no end.
Without Google services, the value of an android device drops significantly.
Its not just about the 'market', as you also lose the entire Google ecosystem, Drive, Hangouts, etc etc.. Some you can access via web interfaces, some by 3rd party and others you cant get to at all.., and the ones you can manage to get to work wont will be fully integrated and its a huge kludge.
They make plenty of cash without locking the store down like this. Furthermore, this isn't really about money, its about vendor lock-in and control of OEMs.
Yes, its their store and they can do whatever they like, but they make regret it in the long run by locking companies out.
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They are all disposable, how dare you think you can continue to use a device for more than a couple of years..
Last production robot i dealt with you 'programmed it' by walking it thru the paces in a 'learn mode'. While the back end there was software of course, the person 'showing' it how to do the job didn't need to know this.
I guess times have changed, for the worse.
There's no disputing that Bill Gates is blessed with a brilliant mind.
Sure there is.
Be sure you stand in front of that window when i 'deliver' your brick.
Depends on where you buy it. Not everyone bends over for the G.
And you are actually paying for Google services, play is just part of that.
You are rendered irrelevant.
Why not just buy a brick then? That is effectively what you have created when you strip the phone down to nothing but a voice calling device.
I have one for you, ill even give it to you for free. Right through your window. Dumbass.
You either must have worked for some really nice organizations or this was a long time ago...
Still valid as of of yesterday. ( we have Saturday staff ). Been doing the IT thing for 30 years. ( not the same company all that time )
Perhaps i'm spoiled/lucky, but i haven't experienced these companies you speak of that don't care about their users ( not caring about internal staff, sure.. ) .. And sure there are always limits on how far we go, which vary from place to place, but no where near the limits you have seen apparently.
Sad really. Without the users there would be little need for IT staff in the first place... And we are all end users to someone...
We are not talking about actual history, like the crusades where Christians killed millions, or the founding of the country.. The OP was talking about useless computer history..
Much as it really does not matter if you understand where your car came from, unless you are going to become an automotive engineer.
Also, i was not talking about never learning things, only that force feeding a child useless facts is pointless. if the child comes to you and asks, sure.. We are also talking *children* here, not college students.
In any large organization i have worked for, if all you did is blow the customer off and call for a reload because they asked how to do something simple in MSO, you would not be there the next day. ( this would apply to both level 1 and higher levels, and in some cases you are expected to know a hell of a lot more at higher levels ). If all you do is say 'is it installed' then you are a call center robot, not a help desk.
Do you need to be at a expert level? Most often not, but a working knowledge is required. Now, that out of the way, what i was responding to was a statement that it was completely unimportant which of course is not true in the real world.
Sure, if your kid comes to you asking you teach him ( or her ) anything they want.. or at least support their learning if you don't have a clue about the subject and cant do it yourself.
But that isn't how i interpreted the topic, where the father wanted to force this on his children since he felt it was cool, not for any rational or useful reason.
Teaching them about the 'history of computers' is going to get them nowhere, and perhaps even stunt their growth. Where their fancy iPad came from is not relevant information to 99.99999% of the people out there. How to use what they have, is.
Knowing how to code in assembler on a Z80 is totally worthless for a child today and has no value. Teach them where the oil is in their car, how to cook dinner or fix a light switch, ( or if they are really young, to keep quiet and stay off my lawn ) something of actual value.
I have to disagree, as regardless of what you personally like or dislike, MSO is still prevalent in the business world and if you are going to be in IT and actually have a job, you have to at least have a clue of what your future companies end users are working with. Once ( if ) you grow up and get out in the real world, you will find out how things actually work out there. .
Hell, most likely you will start working the help desk and supporting it, to prove you have skills.. so better suck it up, and shut up. Good luck.
They don't care, cant relate, nor do they really need to. Once you get to college age, then 'history' becomes more relevant, but younger kids, it really isn't.
So the kids created 'yet another lame management tool'.. *yawn*
The community needs to stop re-inventing the wheel and work on improving existing ones. Hard to take over the world when your car is always on blocks.
I've been using android for years, but I've got to say, you Google fanboys are getting to be as bad as the Apple team.
If you look at some of my other posts on this ( and related ) topic you can clearly see i'm not a fanboy and quite displeased with many of Google decisions/moves.. But i'm also not a moron, as you apparently are.
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I think its less 'not doing evil' as much as its 'not staying competent'.
But sloppiness kills..
Is a terrible setback these days. He had a point in the past, that time is now over and he needs to get the hell out of the way and stop trying to hinder progress.
The point i was making is that if they are going to be militant about it, there should be an option to buy it from the market on your own, and not be stuck with the choice your vendor made.
THAT would be true consumer choice. Not this crap way of doing business.
Most white box Chinese Android tablets did not include Play store
Ummm, incorrect. Most do. ( perhaps using bogus ID, but everyone i have seen for a LONG time include it out of the box )
I really doubt that and call BS. Sure, many of us go out of our way to remove carrier boat, but crippling your device by removing the fundamental Google framework? I seriously doubt it.
But if by chance i'm wrong and you really are a member of that small group of dumb-asses who do, more power to you, idiot.
you must not get out much into the true Chinese market. I would be hard pressed to find a device that didn't have the framework installed and operational. I'm not talking about the cheap crap at CVS or Walmart, but the true no-name products direct from the mainland.
True, i agree that Google has never 'approved' of this, but to be honest i don't give a flying-F what Google 'approves' of. I don't acknowledge the concept of IP, so will can do whatever i like.
But beyond all of that, my interpretation of this new move towards more restrictions isn't just more of the same 'we frown on this' but moving towards preventing devices that are not a 'blessed model' to be able to access the back end APIs.. *that* will piss me off to no end.
Without Google services, the value of an android device drops significantly.
Its not just about the 'market', as you also lose the entire Google ecosystem, Drive, Hangouts, etc etc.. Some you can access via web interfaces, some by 3rd party and others you cant get to at all.., and the ones you can manage to get to work wont will be fully integrated and its a huge kludge.
They make plenty of cash without locking the store down like this. Furthermore, this isn't really about money, its about vendor lock-in and control of OEMs.
Yes, its their store and they can do whatever they like, but they make regret it in the long run by locking companies out.