They are't over-educated for a damn thing. They are under-educated for everything. Don't give out credit where it's not deserved.
CS programs are supposed to teach both the theory AND the operations of current technology. This should allow CS grads to quickly learn new technology incrementally. That's the point of these programs.
People coming out of tech schools are fine, but they often have no idea how things REALLY work (just "if "a" happens then I'm supposed to do "b" type of knowledge).
I'm a network engineer, so I'm not commenting on coders. Maybe that's where your confusions lies.
My analogy can quite literally be extended to the new guy who didn't know what a Cat 5500 series switch looked like and couldn't find it in a rack. Or how about the one who though he could re-wire the patch panel in the data center at lunch time?
And I don't recruit. Such is the state of resumes submissions that I get to fill low level positions from people just out of school. Fortunately the market is soft and people with actual experience are looking for jobs.
And, yes, I _AM_ cranky.
Spoken like a true Computer Science graduate. Do they teach you that speech as well?
College is to learn marketable skills. If you aren't going for that reason, don't waste your (daddy's) money. Since my post, some people have privately emailed me to tell me about their college's programs which are VERY HEAVY on internships. There's the only reasonable solution that I can see.
When I say people coming out of school for CS know nothing, I mean NOTHING. If you went to school to be a biologist and got to your first job not able to identify a microscope or what its use is....but you knew a whole lot about where to find that information and have really good reading comprehenstion.....that's about how useful these CS grads are to me. I've hired carpenters that were more useful in data center buildouts than recent CS grads.
So you're saything that we'll be able to triangluate positions of these phones with 3 Sony camcorders with Nightshot and nudie^C^C^C^C^Infra Red filters on them? Fantastic.
I also used to work at a teaching hospital (Wishard for Indiana University) and I learned more there about networking and systems support than in years of college.
Welcome to the real world. It's not all clean and documented like the theoretical drivel they feed you in college. That's why people like me no longer hire people right out of school. After a while, you get tired of training people who's only useful knowledge is vocabulary and (if you're lucky) the ability to find and read useful documentation.
Hopefully colleges will catch up the the reality of IT some day, but I seriously doubt it.
This sounds like a case of poor network infrastructure management. That being said, you can't pin it all on IT. Organizations like this have networks that grow out of necessity, and are often nearly impossible to make large changes to.
Perhaps the seemingly ridiculious "secondary" parallel network can be put in place not for redundancy, but as a tool to migrate the existing devices to a properly configured and routed network. If STP brought the whole thing down to begin with, they are probably flat. VLANs and subnetting at closets with appropriate L1 redundancy and L3 routing is mostly likely the modern network design their IT staff has known for years that they should have, but never had the convincing argument they needed to get management to foot the bill and allow the service disruptions required to make the switch.
This would imply that either:
A) A campus could afford to do Layer 3 at every closet switch [...] I'm sure in a healthcare environment, neither is an option. The first is too expensive (unless you buy cheap, and hence unreliable equipment) and the second is too risky. Good points, but in this scenario, L3 at all wiring closets seems like it would be much cheaper than a SECOND PARALLEL NETWORK. Most hospitals I've worked in (larger ones) are already running a class of switch in the closets that will support such features with a simple upgrade (Cat 55xx, etc.....). Toss in an RSM and enable VTP.
Really? Didn't know the GUI had to be running for the quoted filename convention to work. It seems I've used long filenames from a Win98 boot disk before, my maybe I'm mistaken. And it's too much trouble to check.
Maybe someone else will.
Windows systems are severely crippled in what they can do without the GUI, heck, their long filenames don't even work without the GUI. (WTF?)
I agree with most of your comment, but this is just plain inaccurate. You can use 8.3 naming conventions (ex: PROGRA~1 for "Program Files") or put a full long filename in quotes and it works fine from the CLI.
Why not use a better solution, one that doesn't suck ass so much. Like a Gateway Profile.
Cheaper, virtually the same size, and it's a whole PC, not a stupid display, which leaves you with the need to have the rest of the PC somewhere else.
Well, I'll have to say the my results have been entirely different.
I signed up for a hotmail account for an MSN passport. Never used the account, but, ans most know, the im client will report how many messages are in the box. It got up to 500 in less than 2 months before I started using trillian. So I winder where they got my address from?
The most amazing part of this will not be if they can actually produce an antenna that comes close to what they are claming, but of they can actually say in business long enough to do it.
I would have been much more impressed if it were scrounged hardware. The monitors are new...not the plastic on the display cable of most of them still. All in all, if looks like crap, and the cost of parts exceeds a better alternative. I call that a bad idea.
If one were to use the brick-and-mortar metaphor for buying online/from a catalog:
You buy something online/by phone/etc from a company with no physical presence in your state. Let's make this simple and equitable and say that the transaction takes place AT THE RETAILER, which is a fairly logical argument to make.
So the business charges you THEIR local sales tax, as if you drove there and bought it in their state. It's simple, as businesses won't have to register with each state and handle reporting information for 50 states worth of sales tax (no easy chore for even ONE state....trust me), and states which have chosen not to double tax people to death (read: Delaware) will become the mail-order reailer hotspot (not just everybody's paper corperate HQ).
Oh....nevermind. The states who are useless as locations for mail order companies (the ones who's citizens use mail order the most due to their lack of infrastructure/proximity to cities/etc.) want to grab money that isn't rightfully theirs. I guess I should have though out this post better.
Remote merchants use FAR less resources than local ones.
Agreed.
Remote merchants use FAR less resources than local ones.
Fire taxes are a function of property valuation. If they had retail space, they would pay more based on that fact.
Any wear and tear to roads, etc caused by delivery trucks should be borne by the freight handlers, and passed onto the merchants that way.
Good idea. They already are. Vehicle registration is based on gross weight.
By and large, a remote vendor will use basically no local resources.
Which is already accounted for in the way they pay the relevant local taxes. Color me stupid, but I don't get your point.
Maybe I misread, but it sure sounded like a radio hooked up to a TNC in KISS mode. Been awhile since I played with packet, but as I recall, all L2 and up is handled on the DTE when operating in that mode.
Of course I could just be hallucinating most of this. It's happened before.
This is EXACTLY packet radio, without FCC-imposed limitations of what one can or can't do with it. While the article is deatiled and pretty interesting, that obligatory/. "is this news?" is still in order. HF packet radio has been around for a long time.
If I can find out what freq they're on, all their mail are belong to us.
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They are't over-educated for a damn thing. They are under-educated for everything. Don't give out credit where it's not deserved.
CS programs are supposed to teach both the theory AND the operations of current technology. This should allow CS grads to quickly learn new technology incrementally. That's the point of these programs.
People coming out of tech schools are fine, but they often have no idea how things REALLY work (just "if "a" happens then I'm supposed to do "b" type of knowledge).
OK...I'm pretty bored with the thread now.
I'm a network engineer, so I'm not commenting on coders. Maybe that's where your confusions lies.
My analogy can quite literally be extended to the new guy who didn't know what a Cat 5500 series switch looked like and couldn't find it in a rack. Or how about the one who though he could re-wire the patch panel in the data center at lunch time?
And I don't recruit. Such is the state of resumes submissions that I get to fill low level positions from people just out of school. Fortunately the market is soft and people with actual experience are looking for jobs. And, yes, I _AM_ cranky.
Spoken like a true Computer Science graduate. Do they teach you that speech as well?
College is to learn marketable skills. If you aren't going for that reason, don't waste your (daddy's) money. Since my post, some people have privately emailed me to tell me about their college's programs which are VERY HEAVY on internships. There's the only reasonable solution that I can see.
When I say people coming out of school for CS know nothing, I mean NOTHING. If you went to school to be a biologist and got to your first job not able to identify a microscope or what its use is....but you knew a whole lot about where to find that information and have really good reading comprehenstion.....that's about how useful these CS grads are to me. I've hired carpenters that were more useful in data center buildouts than recent CS grads.
So you're saything that we'll be able to triangluate positions of these phones with 3 Sony camcorders with Nightshot and nudie^C^C^C^C^Infra Red filters on them? Fantastic.
I also used to work at a teaching hospital (Wishard for Indiana University) and I learned more there about networking and systems support than in years of college.
Welcome to the real world. It's not all clean and documented like the theoretical drivel they feed you in college. That's why people like me no longer hire people right out of school. After a while, you get tired of training people who's only useful knowledge is vocabulary and (if you're lucky) the ability to find and read useful documentation.
Hopefully colleges will catch up the the reality of IT some day, but I seriously doubt it.
This sounds like a case of poor network infrastructure management. That being said, you can't pin it all on IT. Organizations like this have networks that grow out of necessity, and are often nearly impossible to make large changes to.
Perhaps the seemingly ridiculious "secondary" parallel network can be put in place not for redundancy, but as a tool to migrate the existing devices to a properly configured and routed network. If STP brought the whole thing down to begin with, they are probably flat. VLANs and subnetting at closets with appropriate L1 redundancy and L3 routing is mostly likely the modern network design their IT staff has known for years that they should have, but never had the convincing argument they needed to get management to foot the bill and allow the service disruptions required to make the switch.
This would imply that either: A) A campus could afford to do Layer 3 at every closet switch
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I'm sure in a healthcare environment, neither is an option. The first is too expensive (unless you buy cheap, and hence unreliable equipment) and the second is too risky.
Good points, but in this scenario, L3 at all wiring closets seems like it would be much cheaper than a SECOND PARALLEL NETWORK. Most hospitals I've worked in (larger ones) are already running a class of switch in the closets that will support such features with a simple upgrade (Cat 55xx, etc.....). Toss in an RSM and enable VTP.
Really? Didn't know the GUI had to be running for the quoted filename convention to work. It seems I've used long filenames from a Win98 boot disk before, my maybe I'm mistaken. And it's too much trouble to check.
Maybe someone else will.
Windows systems are severely crippled in what they can do without the GUI, heck, their long filenames don't even work without the GUI. (WTF?)
I agree with most of your comment, but this is just plain inaccurate. You can use 8.3 naming conventions (ex: PROGRA~1 for "Program Files") or put a full long filename in quotes and it works fine from the CLI.
RAID goes on your fileserver. So does the modem/broadband connection.
If I tell you any more I'll have to start billing you.
Why not use a better solution, one that doesn't suck ass so much. Like a Gateway Profile.
Cheaper, virtually the same size, and it's a whole PC, not a stupid display, which leaves you with the need to have the rest of the PC somewhere else.
Well, I'll have to say the my results have been entirely different.
I signed up for a hotmail account for an MSN passport. Never used the account, but, ans most know, the im client will report how many messages are in the box. It got up to 500 in less than 2 months before I started using trillian. So I winder where they got my address from?
3rd Party IDE card, Ontrack or similar translation software, SCSI devices, etc, etc, etc.
Ummm....people...hello?
/. is really slipping.
Does "Imagine a beowolf cluster of these!" sound familiar to anyone.
Over 100 comments posted and it still hasn't come up. Yeesh.
The most amazing part of this will not be if they can actually produce an antenna that comes close to what they are claming, but of they can actually say in business long enough to do it.
I would have been much more impressed if it were scrounged hardware. The monitors are new...not the plastic on the display cable of most of them still. All in all, if looks like crap, and the cost of parts exceeds a better alternative. I call that a bad idea.
If one were to use the brick-and-mortar metaphor for buying online/from a catalog:
You buy something online/by phone/etc from a company with no physical presence in your state. Let's make this simple and equitable and say that the transaction takes place AT THE RETAILER, which is a fairly logical argument to make.
So the business charges you THEIR local sales tax, as if you drove there and bought it in their state. It's simple, as businesses won't have to register with each state and handle reporting information for 50 states worth of sales tax (no easy chore for even ONE state....trust me), and states which have chosen not to double tax people to death (read: Delaware) will become the mail-order reailer hotspot (not just everybody's paper corperate HQ).
Oh....nevermind. The states who are useless as locations for mail order companies (the ones who's citizens use mail order the most due to their lack of infrastructure/proximity to cities/etc.) want to grab money that isn't rightfully theirs. I guess I should have though out this post better.
Remote merchants use FAR less resources than local ones.
Agreed.
Remote merchants use FAR less resources than local ones.
Fire taxes are a function of property valuation. If they had retail space, they would pay more based on that fact.
Any wear and tear to roads, etc caused by delivery trucks should be borne by the freight handlers, and passed onto the merchants that way.
Good idea. They already are. Vehicle registration is based on gross weight.
By and large, a remote vendor will use basically no local resources.
Which is already accounted for in the way they pay the relevant local taxes. Color me stupid, but I don't get your point.
Yes, yes, yes. I said "doah" as soon as I hit post.
Circuit City once sole Divix players, not DivX players. Please try to pay attention.
No. No windows CALs. Please try to pay attention. Windows CALs are for file and/or print services only.
You just have to make sure the keyboard has really big keys to allow accurate typing while wearing welding gloves.
Maybe I misread, but it sure sounded like a radio hooked up to a TNC in KISS mode. Been awhile since I played with packet, but as I recall, all L2 and up is handled on the DTE when operating in that mode.
Of course I could just be hallucinating most of this. It's happened before.
This is EXACTLY packet radio, without FCC-imposed limitations of what one can or can't do with it. While the article is deatiled and pretty interesting, that obligatory /. "is this news?" is still in order. HF packet radio has been around for a long time.
If I can find out what freq they're on, all their mail are belong to us.
Oh...pirated? What's that?
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