Right... but let's go further: if you're fearless, you might just say "f... you" to the general and don't to battle, because you don't feel like it, and you're not affraid of the consequences of your act: not only punishment, but also your country being dishonored by losing the war, its being invaded, your family being killed by the invaders... just because you can't feel any fear. If you're fearless, actually, you have no reason to go to war ever !
I agree with that. Or, if they do keep their instincts, and become super warrior mice, then the application to the military doesn't hold either. Because of do you maintain order in an Army if the soldier has totally no fear of the consequences of not obeying ?
So why use winex when you can get the real stuff ?
Well I have got a good reason... The linux version segfaults on every startup.:( I can only play with WineX... But hey, on my K6-2/500+TNT2, it's beautiful and almost playable...
I suppose if working comfortably meant working with the Gimp or Staroffice, you would have a point.
In the case of my brother, it is so. He mainly wants to use a browser (opera makes good progress, and really is enjoyable), a file manager, an office application, a mail client, and that's all... He can get it under linux with no problem... except a winword VB macro.
Unfortunately, your point, not unlike your taste in software, is peculiar to a very marginal society of people -- geeks.
As I told you, he's no geek. And he shares my taste in matters of software.
The point is that the "desktop solution" I'm using is far away from being the simplest. But once you're used to it, it is very more enjoyable than the windows desktop, though I don't know whether progress has been made in XP. People always go to the simplest solution first, when they could get much more without much more efforts. I'm pretty much convinced that for a real beginner (i.e. someone who doesn't know what C:\ is), it is not much more difficult to learn using (I mean *using* here, not configuring) Mandrake-like solutions than Windows.
But hey, that discussion could last forever, so I'll stop now.
Let me tell you of my brother, who installed Linux after he saw how great the interface was on my own PC, a day he visited me. I'll go directly to the bad news: he is actually using windows again. But that's because he needs some stupid MS Word VB scripts professionally, and it won't work with staroffice. Maybe I should tell him to try it with wine. But the point is that he told me that when he doesn't need anything from windows any longer, he shall switch definitely, as he really enjoys a good desktop interface. And I'm not talking of KDE or Gnome, but of a personalized version of Enlightenment. So I think working comfort is one of the reasons why a non-geek can switch to Linux... And of course, let's not forget stability.
"I did mkreiserfs on a 40gig drive and it took seconds."
Yeah, creating the FS takes seconds. But if you have a filesystem you want to convert, it takes much longer and some strategy, too. Where ext3 only needs a few seconds for the creation of the journal. On my system it also require the partition to be unmounted, which is difficult for the root. But apparently, it's only on *MY* system:)
Well actually, I share your opinion. I just meant that for the "debian-fan" user, it will seem quite bad not to have all packages automatically installed. The good designation is *basic* packaging system: install, remove. And that's good. I like checkinstall a lot, and with it the compilated programs/libs can be installed as packages. That is to my mind an argument that this system is even better than the others. When you like to compile...:)
I've been using Red hat 5, then Red Hat 6, then Mandrake 7, then Debian 2.2, and now I'm using Slackware 7.0, which I of course upgraded a bit.
To answer to your question, I would say that slackware is the most easy-to-configure distro of all the above. But I mean this for people like me, who like to know in which file which information is stored, and dislike the graphical interfaces that write in dozens of different files without you knowing it. The slackware structure is simple, efficient. If you're seeking for something in the rc.d directory, you'll find it much easier than with Debian, not to speak about RH or Mandrake. If you can handle a console-based configuration, it's just great. The negative point for certain people is of course the quite bad packaging system, but hey, it's possible to install rpm. Or checkinstall, which I personally use. IMO, the best one.:)
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Right... but let's go further: if you're fearless, you might just say "f... you" to the general and don't to battle, because you don't feel like it, and you're not affraid of the consequences of your act: not only punishment, but also your country being dishonored by losing the war, its being invaded, your family being killed by the invaders... just because you can't feel any fear. If you're fearless, actually, you have no reason to go to war ever !
I agree with that. Or, if they do keep their instincts, and become super warrior mice, then the application to the military doesn't hold either. Because of do you maintain order in an Army if the soldier has totally no fear of the consequences of not obeying ?
So why use winex when you can get the real stuff ?
:( I can only play with WineX... But hey, on my K6-2/500+TNT2, it's beautiful and almost playable...
Well I have got a good reason... The linux version segfaults on every startup.
I suppose if working comfortably meant working with the Gimp or Staroffice, you would have a point.
In the case of my brother, it is so. He mainly wants to use a browser (opera makes good progress, and really is enjoyable), a file manager, an office application, a mail client, and that's all... He can get it under linux with no problem... except a winword VB macro.
Unfortunately, your point, not unlike your taste in software, is peculiar to a very marginal society of people -- geeks.
As I told you, he's no geek. And he shares my taste in matters of software.
The point is that the "desktop solution" I'm using is far away from being the simplest. But once you're used to it, it is very more enjoyable than the windows desktop, though I don't know whether progress has been made in XP. People always go to the simplest solution first, when they could get much more without much more efforts. I'm pretty much convinced that for a real beginner (i.e. someone who doesn't know what C:\ is), it is not much more difficult to learn using (I mean *using* here, not configuring) Mandrake-like solutions than Windows.
But hey, that discussion could last forever, so I'll stop now.
Let me tell you of my brother, who installed Linux after he saw how great the interface was on my own PC, a day he visited me. I'll go directly to the bad news: he is actually using windows again. But that's because he needs some stupid MS Word VB scripts professionally, and it won't work with staroffice. Maybe I should tell him to try it with wine. But the point is that he told me that when he doesn't need anything from windows any longer, he shall switch definitely, as he really enjoys a good desktop interface. And I'm not talking of KDE or Gnome, but of a personalized version of Enlightenment. So I think working comfort is one of the reasons why a non-geek can switch to Linux... And of course, let's not forget stability.
"I did mkreiserfs on a 40gig drive and it took seconds." Yeah, creating the FS takes seconds. But if you have a filesystem you want to convert, it takes much longer and some strategy, too. Where ext3 only needs a few seconds for the creation of the journal. On my system it also require the partition to be unmounted, which is difficult for the root. But apparently, it's only on *MY* system :)
Well actually, I share your opinion. I just meant that for the "debian-fan" user, it will seem quite bad not to have all packages automatically installed. The good designation is *basic* packaging system: install, remove. And that's good. I like checkinstall a lot, and with it the compilated programs/libs can be installed as packages. That is to my mind an argument that this system is even better than the others. When you like to compile ... :)
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I've been using Red hat 5, then Red Hat 6, then Mandrake 7, then Debian 2.2, and now I'm using Slackware 7.0, which I of course upgraded a bit.
To answer to your question, I would say that slackware is the most easy-to-configure distro of all the above. But I mean this for people like me, who like to know in which file which information is stored, and dislike the graphical interfaces that write in dozens of different files without you knowing it. The slackware structure is simple, efficient. If you're seeking for something in the rc.d directory, you'll find it much easier than with Debian, not to speak about RH or Mandrake. If you can handle a console-based configuration, it's just great. The negative point for certain people is of course the quite bad packaging system, but hey, it's possible to install rpm. Or checkinstall, which I personally use. IMO, the best one.