The argument they're using is that data is collected, but they need a warrant to look at specific data.
So question: what if they were in possession of data clearly laying out 9/11 but they hadn't searched it yet? Do you really think they aren't looking at ALL that data with keywords from the get go?
Automated systems are going to be crawling and indexing this data, hence they *are* looking at it.
Couldn't somebody like the EFF or ACLU create a certificate that people could trust? Yes it's a manual thing, but given that the automatic system (was likely previously) and is now utterly untrustworthy, it seems that manual type of update might become necessary until we can get Firefox and other open source OS/apps to add it in automatically?
There's a big difference between a backpack left next to a wall on an open floor near a door and one stuffed under a seat in a small space with confined viewing angles.
Not to say the former would be noticed, but it's a lot more likely. It's much more probable that nobody actually noticed your friends bag, rather than noticed it and ignored it.
For a Bi-Fold wallet, is some metal mesh or other flexible metallic lattice put in the bill fold enough (so that it acts like a clamshell) ? Or would you likely need a tri-fold wallet type?
So call from work from a conference room, no need to tie the record to yourself directly. Though I admit, I'm local so it's obviously not long distance for me.
That said, shouldn't we mandate Congress have 800 numbers?
I'd say that's not a valet 'mode' but I get your point. Locking the glove box where the latch release is stops them from using it, but if that latch is still cable driven that cable can be pulled wherever it snakes through to the trunk latch and it will still open.
Most cars I've driven have the latch down by the drivers left side along the door jam. Some have a key lock on it, others don't. But even the ones with the key lock can be operated via screwdriver to just pull the cable as I said above.
For valet 'mode', I'm thinking of cars that have an electronic push button to pop the trunk. If it's not in a lockable compartment like the glove box, then a software 'mode' is needed to prevent a valet from pushing it and opening the trunk.
I don't believe that's the case. it wasn't a case of not believing measles was still a problem, but of aversion to believed risks of the vaccine. Measles isn't fun, but it's 'just' a disease. Autism is a lifelong condition with no cure (obviously various levels). People didn't want to expose their children to that lifelong risk and so avoided the vaccine.
Different than believing the vaccine wasn't needed.
yes, as you say lower court rulings can be appealed, part of the process of running it through to SCOTUS. The appeal ruling can be stayed as well. Until SCOTUS rules, or declines to hear the case, it's an open question.
No, SCOTUS has repeated found that unconstitutional laws were always illegal, and thus all of their effects are unwound upon such a finding.
yes but up until such time, they are quite legal. That's the point, laws are valid and enforceable until ruled otherwise. Doesn't make them 'right' or 'just' but having been duly passed and signed, they are 'legal'.
"The task force staff asked the Congressional Research Service to update the calculation of criminal offenses in the federal code, which was last undertaken in 2008, said task force chairman Representative John Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.)
"CRS's initial response to our request was that they lack the manpower and resources to accomplish this task," Sensenbrenner said Friday. "I think this confirms the point that all of us have been making on this issue and demonstrates the breadth of overcriminalization.""
Oh it's worse than that. Rudy 'noun verb 9/11' Giuliani moved the Emergency Responders HQ INTO the WTC after the first bombing over direct opposition of people who were actually thinking.
It gave him numerous photo ops walking from his office to the HQ though, so yay.
Agreed. I've long said that 3 things will prevent another 9/11.
1. Locked and reinforced cockpit doors
2. You
3. Me
Nobody is going to sit and wait out hijackers anymore. Flight 93 proved that and every flight since where people sometimes literally sat on would be bombers to control them.
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The argument they're using is that data is collected, but they need a warrant to look at specific data.
So question: what if they were in possession of data clearly laying out 9/11 but they hadn't searched it yet? Do you really think they aren't looking at ALL that data with keywords from the get go?
Automated systems are going to be crawling and indexing this data, hence they *are* looking at it.
Troll? seriously, it's called 'humor' just wow
Agreed. hence why it's hard :)
Couldn't somebody like the EFF or ACLU create a certificate that people could trust? Yes it's a manual thing, but given that the automatic system (was likely previously) and is now utterly untrustworthy, it seems that manual type of update might become necessary until we can get Firefox and other open source OS/apps to add it in automatically?
Probably has to be agency specific, as others have noted, some agencies legitimately do need your information to properly provide services.
:)
Not a bad first start though.
Maybe something like 'information collected may not be used for prosecution except when collected under issuance of a warrant.'
Constitution writing is hard
There's a big difference between a backpack left next to a wall on an open floor near a door and one stuffed under a seat in a small space with confined viewing angles.
Not to say the former would be noticed, but it's a lot more likely. It's much more probable that nobody actually noticed your friends bag, rather than noticed it and ignored it.
It sits nice and flat when empty :) how much farther open is it with actual stuff in it? 3-4 cards, cash, etc.
For a Bi-Fold wallet, is some metal mesh or other flexible metallic lattice put in the bill fold enough (so that it acts like a clamshell) ? Or would you likely need a tri-fold wallet type?
polite golf clap ;-)
Last year I would have said you're tinfoil hat material.
However, I said 'directly', which isn't claiming they can't figure it out, just that it isn't straightforward from the meta-data.
So call from work from a conference room, no need to tie the record to yourself directly. Though I admit, I'm local so it's obviously not long distance for me.
That said, shouldn't we mandate Congress have 800 numbers?
I'd say that's not a valet 'mode' but I get your point. Locking the glove box where the latch release is stops them from using it, but if that latch is still cable driven that cable can be pulled wherever it snakes through to the trunk latch and it will still open.
Most cars I've driven have the latch down by the drivers left side along the door jam. Some have a key lock on it, others don't. But even the ones with the key lock can be operated via screwdriver to just pull the cable as I said above.
For valet 'mode', I'm thinking of cars that have an electronic push button to pop the trunk. If it's not in a lockable compartment like the glove box, then a software 'mode' is needed to prevent a valet from pushing it and opening the trunk.
I never said it was a logical choice :)
Plague has been depricated :)
So it should show up in a different color? ;-)
I don't believe that's the case. it wasn't a case of not believing measles was still a problem, but of aversion to believed risks of the vaccine. Measles isn't fun, but it's 'just' a disease. Autism is a lifelong condition with no cure (obviously various levels). People didn't want to expose their children to that lifelong risk and so avoided the vaccine.
Different than believing the vaccine wasn't needed.
Which would indicate an even higher likelihood that any autism increase isn't a result of the vaccine, no?
I'm curious, how does the 9th apply here? I'm not really well versed on that one :)
yes, as you say lower court rulings can be appealed, part of the process of running it through to SCOTUS. The appeal ruling can be stayed as well. Until SCOTUS rules, or declines to hear the case, it's an open question.
No, SCOTUS has repeated found that unconstitutional laws were always illegal, and thus all of their effects are unwound upon such a finding.
yes but up until such time, they are quite legal. That's the point, laws are valid and enforceable until ruled otherwise. Doesn't make them 'right' or 'just' but having been duly passed and signed, they are 'legal'.
The gag order isn't unconstitutional...yet.
Unless you're willing to be the guinea pig who runs it through to the SCOTUS, it's perfectly 'legal' until SCOTUS says otherwise.
More importantly, the Congressional Research Office was just asked to list out all federal crimes.
Their response? "That would be too much work"
"The task force staff asked the Congressional Research Service to update the calculation of criminal offenses in the federal code, which was last undertaken in 2008, said task force chairman Representative John Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) "CRS's initial response to our request was that they lack the manpower and resources to accomplish this task," Sensenbrenner said Friday. "I think this confirms the point that all of us have been making on this issue and demonstrates the breadth of overcriminalization.""
Oh it's worse than that. Rudy 'noun verb 9/11' Giuliani moved the Emergency Responders HQ INTO the WTC after the first bombing over direct opposition of people who were actually thinking.
It gave him numerous photo ops walking from his office to the HQ though, so yay.
So we'll handcuff everyone to their chairs. it will certainly reduce 'bad things'.
The 'risk' of terrorism is wildly DWARFED by the risk of dying by leaving your house. Better not leave...
Agreed. I've long said that 3 things will prevent another 9/11.
1. Locked and reinforced cockpit doors
2. You
3. Me
Nobody is going to sit and wait out hijackers anymore. Flight 93 proved that and every flight since where people sometimes literally sat on would be bombers to control them.
and we didn't do any of this crap...and guess what, it hasn't happened again either.