And the license verbiage on the SuSE web site adds to what the e-mail says, and is worded completely differently than the license info with the commercial package that I have. It states (as an earlier poster pointed out):
#
"3. Dissemination
It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers which have been reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE Linux AG or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE Linux AG.
All programmes derived from YaST, and all works derived thereof as a whole or parts thereof may only be disseminated with the amended sources and this licence in accordance with 2b). Making YaST or works derived thereof available free of charge together with SuSE Linux on FTP Servers and mailboxes is permitted if the licences on the software are observed."
So it would seem that I was wrong, and grumbling about nothing. I like being proven wrong especially when it saves me money. Toodle pips.
Missed a point in writing this. The idea is to show the students the server they have been working off of at the end of the class. I simply want to punctuate the versatility of Linux to a crowd that is somewhat skeptical.
SuSE disagrees as is pointed out in this reply to an e-mail I sent them a couple of weeks ago asking this exact question after reading their license and taking it to mean what I said in my first post. Here is what they had to say:
Although Maintenance is licensed to only ONE server generally speaking
the YaST license allows you to install it on as many computers as you
whish, but does not allow you to derive any form of compensation in
doing so, e.g. reselling it for money. In adittion, the YaST license
does not allow you to redistribute, or duplicatie SuSE Linux without
express written consent from SuSE AG. You are encouraged to fully read
the YaST license to understand your rights and responsabilities when
using SuSE Linux products.
The key there is "In adittion, the YaST license
does not allow you to redistribute, or duplicatie SuSE Linux without
express written consent from SuSE AG."
That's what I took it to mean, and that's what they meant it to mean. I must admit that I have not asked for such written concent, so I may be grumbling over nothing.
Because (since you obviously don't read or can't read) the admins are at fault in this situation. The vuln is ancient, the patch has been around for ever (in computer time) the only reason that this NEW worm can take advantage of this OLD vuln is becuase ADMINS have not patched. In the Windows world you have vulns discovered at a much higher rate, typically with more serious repurcussions and with a greater average time to patch realease. It's not that MS is only to blame, for even when they release a patch, a good number of admins don't bother applying it. Then there's the whole issue of occasionally requiring acceptance of new tidbits of license with some patches, but that's for another day.
visaneer
1. A lacky, especially one who is immediately under a middle manager that attend many seminars.
2. A senseless moron who makes up phrases and then offers consultation on empowering people to cast visions in order to obtain wisdom sufficient to understand said phrases.
Similar to a buccaneer.
buccaneer
1. A pirate, especially one of the freebooters who preyed on Spanish shipping in the West Indies during the 17th century.
2. A ruthless speculator or adventurer.
...I must say that I am stunned by the usablility of the thing. I have a basement littered with various handhelds (we use them often on customer projects and usually get one for ourselves for testing) that never get used because, well, they aren't very usefull. Storing contacts, having a calendar, etc. is great, but it's faster and easier on paper. Yes, I can get my e-mail on it, but entering text is a hassle to say the least. The fact is, I (speaking personally here) want to do much more with my handheld than just play "Daytimer" with it. The SL-5500 is just the ticket. My company is teaching "Intro to Linux" classes that target existing MS administrators. For the class we need a server sitting there for them to hit during exercises. I need an MS box (so they can setup and use SMB client connectivity), a web server, FTP server, ssh server and a telnet server (again for use during exercises). I wanted to do something at the end of the class to really wow the students (who are all new to Linux). The answer in my opinion was the 5500. I received it a few days ago, and within 30 minutes of unboxing it had SaMBa, Telnet, ssh, Boa, and FTP serving happily on it and a Linksys CF 802.11b card for connectivity. Threw a 128MB SD card in it for storing the files used during the class and stuck a SaMBa share on it. Works beautifully. Tested the various pertinent "servers" under load (10 concurrent users pulling data - as the class is limited to 10) and it worked like a champ. This is what I have always dreamed of in a handheld...something that lets me do 75%+ of what I do on my desktop (albeit in a more limited but still very useful fashion). I would recommend it to anyone in the market for a PDA. I have seen a few comments about the interface "Trying to look like XP." You obviously HAVE NOT used one. The interface is all it's own. VERY fast to get around, totally customizable. All around fabulous.
Later.
Thus this has little to no posotive effect on the OSS movement. If you disagree I strongly suggest that you read the license. Want to copy those CD's and distributed them to friends and family...no no no. YAST(insert version) is on them, and it is illegal to do so. Personally SuSE is my favorite distro (for lots of reasons), and this irritates me to no end. I am sick of Linux distro's including "stuff" on their CD's that allows them to force purchase. Anyway, I digress.
Buggy like StarOffice? You've used SO on a Mac then? Wow...way ahead of me. Myself, I've only used it on my WinTel and *nix boxes, and haven't ran into a hitch yet.
Wow...off to a smashing start there with the Microsofteese "users don't need choice. they want....". Keep up the great work. The way to make Linux on the desktop succeed is to leverage it to break that mindset.
What a completely useless link, and what's with the idea that Dell's linux support was "silently gone". Where the hell was he when that happened? It only made national news.
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So we disagree then...so be it. Perhaps over time, the Zaurus will change my mind.
And the license verbiage on the SuSE web site adds to what the e-mail says, and is worded completely differently than the license info with the commercial package that I have. It states (as an earlier poster pointed out): # "3. Dissemination It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers which have been reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE Linux AG or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE Linux AG. All programmes derived from YaST, and all works derived thereof as a whole or parts thereof may only be disseminated with the amended sources and this licence in accordance with 2b). Making YaST or works derived thereof available free of charge together with SuSE Linux on FTP Servers and mailboxes is permitted if the licences on the software are observed." So it would seem that I was wrong, and grumbling about nothing. I like being proven wrong especially when it saves me money. Toodle pips.
Missed a point in writing this. The idea is to show the students the server they have been working off of at the end of the class. I simply want to punctuate the versatility of Linux to a crowd that is somewhat skeptical.
SuSE disagrees as is pointed out in this reply to an e-mail I sent them a couple of weeks ago asking this exact question after reading their license and taking it to mean what I said in my first post. Here is what they had to say: Although Maintenance is licensed to only ONE server generally speaking the YaST license allows you to install it on as many computers as you whish, but does not allow you to derive any form of compensation in doing so, e.g. reselling it for money. In adittion, the YaST license does not allow you to redistribute, or duplicatie SuSE Linux without express written consent from SuSE AG. You are encouraged to fully read the YaST license to understand your rights and responsabilities when using SuSE Linux products. The key there is "In adittion, the YaST license does not allow you to redistribute, or duplicatie SuSE Linux without express written consent from SuSE AG." That's what I took it to mean, and that's what they meant it to mean. I must admit that I have not asked for such written concent, so I may be grumbling over nothing.
Because (since you obviously don't read or can't read) the admins are at fault in this situation. The vuln is ancient, the patch has been around for ever (in computer time) the only reason that this NEW worm can take advantage of this OLD vuln is becuase ADMINS have not patched. In the Windows world you have vulns discovered at a much higher rate, typically with more serious repurcussions and with a greater average time to patch realease. It's not that MS is only to blame, for even when they release a patch, a good number of admins don't bother applying it. Then there's the whole issue of occasionally requiring acceptance of new tidbits of license with some patches, but that's for another day.
visaneer 1. A lacky, especially one who is immediately under a middle manager that attend many seminars. 2. A senseless moron who makes up phrases and then offers consultation on empowering people to cast visions in order to obtain wisdom sufficient to understand said phrases. Similar to a buccaneer. buccaneer 1. A pirate, especially one of the freebooters who preyed on Spanish shipping in the West Indies during the 17th century. 2. A ruthless speculator or adventurer.
...I must say that I am stunned by the usablility of the thing. I have a basement littered with various handhelds (we use them often on customer projects and usually get one for ourselves for testing) that never get used because, well, they aren't very usefull. Storing contacts, having a calendar, etc. is great, but it's faster and easier on paper. Yes, I can get my e-mail on it, but entering text is a hassle to say the least. The fact is, I (speaking personally here) want to do much more with my handheld than just play "Daytimer" with it. The SL-5500 is just the ticket. My company is teaching "Intro to Linux" classes that target existing MS administrators. For the class we need a server sitting there for them to hit during exercises. I need an MS box (so they can setup and use SMB client connectivity), a web server, FTP server, ssh server and a telnet server (again for use during exercises). I wanted to do something at the end of the class to really wow the students (who are all new to Linux). The answer in my opinion was the 5500. I received it a few days ago, and within 30 minutes of unboxing it had SaMBa, Telnet, ssh, Boa, and FTP serving happily on it and a Linksys CF 802.11b card for connectivity. Threw a 128MB SD card in it for storing the files used during the class and stuck a SaMBa share on it. Works beautifully. Tested the various pertinent "servers" under load (10 concurrent users pulling data - as the class is limited to 10) and it worked like a champ. This is what I have always dreamed of in a handheld...something that lets me do 75%+ of what I do on my desktop (albeit in a more limited but still very useful fashion). I would recommend it to anyone in the market for a PDA. I have seen a few comments about the interface "Trying to look like XP." You obviously HAVE NOT used one. The interface is all it's own. VERY fast to get around, totally customizable. All around fabulous. Later.
Thus this has little to no posotive effect on the OSS movement. If you disagree I strongly suggest that you read the license. Want to copy those CD's and distributed them to friends and family...no no no. YAST(insert version) is on them, and it is illegal to do so. Personally SuSE is my favorite distro (for lots of reasons), and this irritates me to no end. I am sick of Linux distro's including "stuff" on their CD's that allows them to force purchase. Anyway, I digress.
Buggy like StarOffice? You've used SO on a Mac then? Wow...way ahead of me. Myself, I've only used it on my WinTel and *nix boxes, and haven't ran into a hitch yet.
Anybody want a peanut?
Wow...off to a smashing start there with the Microsofteese "users don't need choice. they want....". Keep up the great work. The way to make Linux on the desktop succeed is to leverage it to break that mindset.
What a completely useless link, and what's with the idea that Dell's linux support was "silently gone". Where the hell was he when that happened? It only made national news.
Thank you!
...racks up company charges on his or her personal card. That's just plain stupid...I hope they learned their lesson.