The chinese CHOSE to be socialist, and CHOSE to be repressed,
Nope, the Chinese were conquered by the latest dynasty in a long line of totalitarian rulers that goes back thousands of years, and have never had a chance to choose a leader in their entire history.
The best thing is for Google to comply with the censorship, get everyone used to using it (like the rest of the world), then stop complying.
If that turns out to be their plan, then I will of course forgive them for what they're doing. From where I sit today however, it sure looks to me like they're an accessory to genocide.
Doing business with any Chinese business is DOING BUSINESS WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
No, Not for about twenty years now. There are still many wholly or partially state-owned businesses, but they're not the entire Chinese economy, by any means.
Every time you buy an item that has a Made in China label is you are supporting the oppression of the people.
Nonsense. A country and its government are not the same thing, and trading with Chinese people has nothing to do with supporting the government that opresses them.
Aren't you forgetting even more massive subsidies and tax manipulation enjoyed by other energy sources?
No, I'm not forgetting them at all. Oil is used world-wide, because it's cheaper than other forms of energy.
And remember US Farm Parity laws, too - if the fedguv didn't pay people to not grow crops, ethanol and food would cost a tiny fraction of what they now cost.
yes, the damage done to our economy by government interference is pervasive.
I was in the habit of watching the NASA channel, which my local cable company was carrying by that time. Usually, it was dead air or meetings, but when there was a mission in progress, it usually showed views of the earth from the shuttle.
To be an explosion it has to be contained, until the pressure builds up.
Technically, no. Ever heard of fuel-air explosions?
For it to be an explosion, there has to be a detonation, which is ignition resulting from a shock wave through a mixture of fuel and oxidant. If the LOX and Hydrogen were mixed before ignition, then you could have had an explosion without confinement.
Yeah, we really should wipe out the rest of it. These days, it's confined mostly to the desert areas in the Sudan, some of the most remote parts of India and Pakistan, and there are probably cases of it still happening in Saudi Arabia.
Jesse Jackson will jump on a soapbox and demand restitution for slavery, but has he ever lifted a finger to free one living slave?
Oh, BTW: that's definitely illegal under current Chinese law. When China overthrows the Red Dynasty in a few years, expect everyone in the chain of command who took part in that to get the death penalty.
Actually, it wasn't. That's a big part of why it was possible to hang the Nuremburg defendants, since they were guilty even under German law at the time of the holocaust.
What was German law, was the exclusion of Jews from professions, deportation from Germany, etc. There never was any legal basis for herding people into gas chambers, though.
On a related note, Erich Honeker and Egon Krenz were both convicted of having people killed for trying to cross the border into West Germany, and they were convicted pursuant to the laws of the DDR.
Saying that we shouldn't impose our values on another culture is fine, but only to a certain point.
It all depends on which values we're talking about. When western civilization nearly stamped out slavery, that was certainly a culturally insensitive thing to do, but thank goodness somebody did it!
How is obeying the laws of China when trying to do business in China "doing evil"?
Simple: the laws supressing speech in China are evil. Aiding and abetting the regime that killed 77 million Chinese is evil. Get the picture, or shall I go on?
Did it occur to you that maybe they'll do more Good by being a western influence in China than by not being there at all?
If this turns out to be some brilliant plan to become utterly indispensible to the Chinese economy, and then turn around and tell the Red Dynasty: "Fuck you, we're not censoring articles about Tibet or Democracy anymore", then I'll forgive them.
From where I sit today, it looks like they're helping the oppressors of China to remain in power, and that's definitely evil.
If ethanol is a viable fuel, remove all the subsidies and tax manipulation, and it will stand on its own. So far, it's nothing more than a massive corporate-welfare program for Archer Daniels Midland (price fixer to the world).
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The reason that China is able to use and abuse companies into listening to its laws is because China is an economic force.
The ChiComs have been able to abuse anyone within their borders back when China was an economic basket case, too.
-jcr
The chinese CHOSE to be socialist, and CHOSE to be repressed,
Nope, the Chinese were conquered by the latest dynasty in a long line of totalitarian rulers that goes back thousands of years, and have never had a chance to choose a leader in their entire history.
-jcr
The best thing is for Google to comply with the censorship, get everyone used to using it (like the rest of the world), then stop complying.
If that turns out to be their plan, then I will of course forgive them for what they're doing. From where I sit today however, it sure looks to me like they're an accessory to genocide.
-jcr
Doing business with any Chinese business is DOING BUSINESS WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
No, Not for about twenty years now. There are still many wholly or partially state-owned businesses, but they're not the entire Chinese economy, by any means.
-jcr
Hoo boy. Your comment makes it appear that you have no idea about anything involving China.
Guess again. I'll match my knowledge of Chinese history against yours any day.
-jcr
Every time you buy an item that has a Made in China label is you are supporting the oppression of the people.
Nonsense. A country and its government are not the same thing, and trading with Chinese people has nothing to do with supporting the government that opresses them.
-jcr
1) Chinese government actively censors certain information from its people
Of course it does. If the Chinese people knew that the communists have killed more of them than the Japanese, they'd be toppled in a week.
-jcr
How many of you are working on systems whose parts were manufactured in China? How many of your clothes and shoes were made there?
Doing business with Chinese businesses is not the same thing as supporting the government that murdered 77 million of them.
-jcr
Aren't you forgetting even more massive subsidies and tax manipulation enjoyed by other energy sources?
No, I'm not forgetting them at all. Oil is used world-wide, because it's cheaper than other forms of energy.
And remember US Farm Parity laws, too - if the fedguv didn't pay people to not grow crops, ethanol and food would cost a tiny fraction of what they now cost.
yes, the damage done to our economy by government interference is pervasive.
-jcr
When they started spewing zionist propaganda.
Thanks for playing, adolf. Run along and put on your tinfoil hat.
-jcr
No, they already bent over for the commies.
-jcr
The Alpha was kicking ass and taking names back in the day. 64-bit and ran at 200 MHz when the Pentium was barely able to fart out 66 MHz.
And then a bunch of those guys went to work at Intel.
-jcr
I was in the habit of watching the NASA channel, which my local cable company was carrying by that time. Usually, it was dead air or meetings, but when there was a mission in progress, it usually showed views of the earth from the shuttle.
-jcr
To be an explosion it has to be contained, until the pressure builds up.
Technically, no. Ever heard of fuel-air explosions?
For it to be an explosion, there has to be a detonation, which is ignition resulting from a shock wave through a mixture of fuel and oxidant. If the LOX and Hydrogen were mixed before ignition, then you could have had an explosion without confinement.
-jcr
I thought this was the best CPU technology?
It was. Then, Intel caught up.
-jcr
Yeah, we really should wipe out the rest of it. These days, it's confined mostly to the desert areas in the Sudan, some of the most remote parts of India and Pakistan, and there are probably cases of it still happening in Saudi Arabia.
Jesse Jackson will jump on a soapbox and demand restitution for slavery, but has he ever lifted a finger to free one living slave?
-jcr
Tiananmen Square Masacre...
Oh, BTW: that's definitely illegal under current Chinese law. When China overthrows the Red Dynasty in a few years, expect everyone in the chain of command who took part in that to get the death penalty.
-jcr
The Holocaust was the law of the Nazis.
Actually, it wasn't. That's a big part of why it was possible to hang the Nuremburg defendants, since they were guilty even under German law at the time of the holocaust.
What was German law, was the exclusion of Jews from professions, deportation from Germany, etc. There never was any legal basis for herding people into gas chambers, though.
On a related note, Erich Honeker and Egon Krenz were both convicted of having people killed for trying to cross the border into West Germany, and they were convicted pursuant to the laws of the DDR.
-jcr
The Republicans claimed Clinton was immoral for getting blow jobs on the job.
He was, but that's not what he got impeached for. He made the mistake of lying about it under oath.
Once they get into office, they then start defending a chain of secret prisons throughout the world
You know, the European Union just investigated that, and concluded that there was no evidence that it ever happened.
-jcr
Saying that we shouldn't impose our values on another culture is fine, but only to a certain point.
It all depends on which values we're talking about. When western civilization nearly stamped out slavery, that was certainly a culturally insensitive thing to do, but thank goodness somebody did it!
-jcr
How is obeying the laws of China when trying to do business in China "doing evil"?
Simple: the laws supressing speech in China are evil. Aiding and abetting the regime that killed 77 million Chinese is evil. Get the picture, or shall I go on?
-jcr
Did it occur to you that maybe they'll do more Good by being a western influence in China than by not being there at all?
If this turns out to be some brilliant plan to become utterly indispensible to the Chinese economy, and then turn around and tell the Red Dynasty: "Fuck you, we're not censoring articles about Tibet or Democracy anymore", then I'll forgive them.
From where I sit today, it looks like they're helping the oppressors of China to remain in power, and that's definitely evil.
-jcr
The people have not overthrown him and abide by his rule.
By that criterion, every dictatorship is consented to.
-jcr
How do you come to the peculiar idea that CNN is the "jewish media"?
-jcr
If ethanol is a viable fuel, remove all the subsidies and tax manipulation, and it will stand on its own. So far, it's nothing more than a massive corporate-welfare program for Archer Daniels Midland (price fixer to the world).
-jcr