Oh and thank you very much for demonstrating to us how some people want morality and humanity to be stripped from business.
Oh, for Christ's sake. Morality says you do what you've agreed to do, you don't steal, you don't commit fraud, etc. This has nothing to do with any assumed duty of "loyalty" that isn't in the agreement.
Everyone in the USA and Europe already buy all their stuff from China.
Nope. Nearly all of the food I buy, for example, is grown or raised in the USA. China isn't an oil exporter, so they're not supplying the gasoline I buy. My car is from a Japanese company, and it was built in the USA. I buy chocolate from the Netherlands. I have dishes that were manufactured in France, and German cutlery. My kitchen appliances are American, and my furniture comes from at least a dozen other countries.
It only takes one non free country to screw everything for everyone.
Where did you acquire this habit of proclaiming absolutes like this? It certainly doesn't indicate much of an understanding of economics on your part.
I'm astounded that after all of these India posts on/. and related places there aren't more people chiming in about their experience in India
I've only spent a week in India myself, but I grew up in SE Asia (Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia). When I was there in the 1970's, Singapore had a rapidly expanding economy, Indonesia was just beginning to cash in on their oil resources, and Malaysia was a pretty sleepy kind of a place, where the average worker had no hope at all of sending his kids to high school, let alone college.
Today, Singapore is certainly a fully industrialized nation, Malaysia and Indonesia are pretty close, if they're not there yet, and I'm thrilled to see India following suit after about fifty years of stupidly trying to follow the Soviet model of centrally-planned squalor, while the infrastructure the Brits left behind slowly crumbled.
The people I met in Bangalore, Delhi, and Agra want a better life, and they're willing to work harder to get there than nearly anyone I've ever met in the USA or Europe. They impressed the hell out of me, and I wish them all the prosperity they can achieve.
The upshot of increased freedom of trade, is increased wealth overall. As other countries become wealthier, they also become customers. IT work goes to China and India, and so do Boeing airplanes. As their middle class expands, so does their ability to buy goods from the USA and Europe.
American companies would rather hire someone already working, causing that worker to betray the company they are working for, than hire someone not working and willing to be loyal to the company they work for
Betray?
Dude,
A company is not a country. When you work for a company, you're making a free exchange of your services for their money, and either of you is fully entitled to stop that relationship whenever you want, unless there are additional contract terms that apply.
If the main thing that you have to offer is "loyalty", well, I'll hire the guy with skills over you, every time.
I can actually get a date there, unlike the US where computer people can't get dates)
I suspect that your difficulty both with dating and employment stems from your sullenness.
I would suggest that your tactics were not very good. If you've been beaten up by a cop, you call a press conference to announce that you're suing the cop, the police department, and the city or county in question for a vast sum of money. The way to appeal mistreatment by the state is to tell the press, not the state.
Reality Check: No, it doesn't matter what Macs can burn because they won't be burning all 50 bajillion copies of King Kong on a couple of Macs..... They're going to press them in a factory.
The mass production isn't what matters here. Hollywood uses Macs, and hollywood will decide what on what format the movies are made available.
All the filmmakers use Macs, the screenwriters use Macs, the editors use Macs, and the format that Macs can burn is going to be the standard in Hollywood.
I wonder when these guys are going to wake up and realize that all this meticulously homogenized top 40 crap is death to the industry.
You need to realize that the "guys" you're talking about are venture capitalists. They keep buying the acts that might be the next brittany spears or backstreet boys, because like all venture capitalists, they are not themselves creative in any way.
It's better to hire half a dozen fresh-faced noobs from college than have to pay for a seasoned pro. That's what management thinks
"Management" is not a monolith. Managers vary in capabiities, just like anyone else. It's the managers who hire the people who get the job done, who end up reaping the greatest rewards.
Many lawyers in particular seems to think that instead the law is to create our rights (assuming that the rights do not exist until the law makes them).
Sounds more like a Pharisee than a lawyer.
That's also the slippery slope that misleads people into believing that legislated priveleges are rights.
I had the priviledge to work with an older programmer -- and he was amazing.
I had the good fortune to run into several people like that in my career. One of them went to work for IBM the year I was born, and he knew not only the current state of the art, but how we got here, and what was tried and discarded along the way.
My old boss at the first graphics hardware company I worked for, got into the electronics industry when the field was still known as "radio". For fifty years, he kept up. I learned more from him and people like him in my first year at work, than I'd picked up in all my formal schooling.
That rights exist only within the law is an opinion mostly held by lawyers
The whole purpose of the law is to secure our rights. The US constitution, for example, doesn't claim to grant rights, it delegates certain powers (deriving from our rights) to the government, and prohibits the government from infringing on other rights.
At 42, I can still out-think and out-code many of those 1/2 my age.
I'm nearly 42 also, and I'm a much better coder than I was even five years go, let alone 20. My experience places me far above all but the most exceptional recent graduates.
I'm not coding for a living at the moment, since my stock portfolio has given me the wherewithal to start a new business with some friends of mine. I'll be writing some code in the next year, but the bulk of my work will be systems integration for certain vertical-market customers.
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When it is over China will finally be a free nation.
I'm sure they will, and I hope they get there with a minimum of bloodshed.
-jcr
Oh and thank you very much for demonstrating to us how some people want morality and humanity to be stripped from business.
Oh, for Christ's sake. Morality says you do what you've agreed to do, you don't steal, you don't commit fraud, etc. This has nothing to do with any assumed duty of "loyalty" that isn't in the agreement.
-jcr
At the end of the article, they mention that the company offered to settle for $2,000.
That's a fair settlement, unless they actually expected the subscriber to pay them.
My recommendation (IANAL): Take the settlement. The court fees will probably be more than the settlement!
Nah, it will cost them far more than $12K if you sue them. Just showing up in court at all is likely to run over $50K for a company that size.
-jcr
Everyone in the USA and Europe already buy all their stuff from China.
Nope. Nearly all of the food I buy, for example, is grown or raised in the USA. China isn't an oil exporter, so they're not supplying the gasoline I buy. My car is from a Japanese company, and it was built in the USA. I buy chocolate from the Netherlands. I have dishes that were manufactured in France, and German cutlery. My kitchen appliances are American, and my furniture comes from at least a dozen other countries.
It only takes one non free country to screw everything for everyone.
Where did you acquire this habit of proclaiming absolutes like this? It certainly doesn't indicate much of an understanding of economics on your part.
-jcr
Every outsourcing story I've heard has ended in disaster, overrun budgets, wasting thousands of dollars
Actually, that's the case for most development projects, outsourced or not.
-jcr
I'm astounded that after all of these India posts on /. and related places there aren't more people chiming in about their experience in India
I've only spent a week in India myself, but I grew up in SE Asia (Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia). When I was there in the 1970's, Singapore had a rapidly expanding economy, Indonesia was just beginning to cash in on their oil resources, and Malaysia was a pretty sleepy kind of a place, where the average worker had no hope at all of sending his kids to high school, let alone college.
Today, Singapore is certainly a fully industrialized nation, Malaysia and Indonesia are pretty close, if they're not there yet, and I'm thrilled to see India following suit after about fifty years of stupidly trying to follow the Soviet model of centrally-planned squalor, while the infrastructure the Brits left behind slowly crumbled.
The people I met in Bangalore, Delhi, and Agra want a better life, and they're willing to work harder to get there than nearly anyone I've ever met in the USA or Europe. They impressed the hell out of me, and I wish them all the prosperity they can achieve.
-jcr
less wage disparity between countries.
BINGO!
The upshot of increased freedom of trade, is increased wealth overall. As other countries become wealthier, they also become customers. IT work goes to China and India, and so do Boeing airplanes. As their middle class expands, so does their ability to buy goods from the USA and Europe.
-jcr
American companies would rather hire someone already working, causing that worker to betray the company they are working for, than hire someone not working and willing to be loyal to the company they work for
Betray?
Dude,
A company is not a country. When you work for a company, you're making a free exchange of your services for their money, and either of you is fully entitled to stop that relationship whenever you want, unless there are additional contract terms that apply.
If the main thing that you have to offer is "loyalty", well, I'll hire the guy with skills over you, every time.
I can actually get a date there, unlike the US where computer people can't get dates)
I suspect that your difficulty both with dating and employment stems from your sullenness.
-jcr
I would suggest that your tactics were not very good. If you've been beaten up by a cop, you call a press conference to announce that you're suing the cop, the police department, and the city or county in question for a vast sum of money. The way to appeal mistreatment by the state is to tell the press, not the state.
-jcr
Out of all the players in both the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD camps, I literally cannot think of a more insignificant player.
HP is the #2 PC maker. They're far from insignificant.
-jcr
Reality Check: No, it doesn't matter what Macs can burn because they won't be burning all 50 bajillion copies of King Kong on a couple of Macs..... They're going to press them in a factory.
The mass production isn't what matters here. Hollywood uses Macs, and hollywood will decide what on what format the movies are made available.
-jcr
But I do want the names of the agents, and their supervisors.
-jcr
"Fuck you, get a warrant".
-jcr
All the filmmakers use Macs, the screenwriters use Macs, the editors use Macs, and the format that Macs can burn is going to be the standard in Hollywood.
-jcr
I wonder when these guys are going to wake up and realize that all this meticulously homogenized top 40 crap is death to the industry.
You need to realize that the "guys" you're talking about are venture capitalists. They keep buying the acts that might be the next brittany spears or backstreet boys, because like all venture capitalists, they are not themselves creative in any way.
-jcr
It's better to hire half a dozen fresh-faced noobs from college than have to pay for a seasoned pro. That's what management thinks
"Management" is not a monolith. Managers vary in capabiities, just like anyone else. It's the managers who hire the people who get the job done, who end up reaping the greatest rewards.
-jcr
I just said you lose focus and concentration to write complicated algorithms.
What's your next guess?
-jcr
Many lawyers in particular seems to think that instead the law is to create our rights (assuming that the rights do not exist until the law makes them).
Sounds more like a Pharisee than a lawyer.
That's also the slippery slope that misleads people into believing that legislated priveleges are rights.
-jcr
I had the priviledge to work with an older programmer -- and he was amazing.
I had the good fortune to run into several people like that in my career. One of them went to work for IBM the year I was born, and he knew not only the current state of the art, but how we got here, and what was tried and discarded along the way.
My old boss at the first graphics hardware company I worked for, got into the electronics industry when the field was still known as "radio". For fifty years, he kept up. I learned more from him and people like him in my first year at work, than I'd picked up in all my formal schooling.
-jcr
COBOL is still a fine solution for many classes of problems. If you have to manage the accounts of a million utility customers, for example.
-jcr
That rights exist only within the law is an opinion mostly held by lawyers
The whole purpose of the law is to secure our rights. The US constitution, for example, doesn't claim to grant rights, it delegates certain powers (deriving from our rights) to the government, and prohibits the government from infringing on other rights.
-jcr
-jcr
Younger IT workers are cheaper, and more familiar with newer technologies at the same time!
Not necessarily. Many older programmers stay up to date throughout their careers.
-jcr
At 42, I can still out-think and out-code many of those 1/2 my age.
I'm nearly 42 also, and I'm a much better coder than I was even five years go, let alone 20. My experience places me far above all but the most exceptional recent graduates.
I'm not coding for a living at the moment, since my stock portfolio has given me the wherewithal to start a new business with some friends of mine. I'll be writing some code in the next year, but the bulk of my work will be systems integration for certain vertical-market customers.
-jcr
Gee, that's a lot of people who have no credibility because of their views on one subject.
What a pity that so many Canadians are so poorly educated that they'd fall for this tripe.
-jcr