From what I've seen of that incident it appears that he wasn't trying to kill them, or if he was he was horribly incompetent at it
There are lunatics everywhere, but only in America do they have the firepower so even if they're "horribly incompetent" can they kill dozens. Cutting people up with knives is physically hard and very messy.
Guns make murder easy. That's what they're designed for.
I've seen references to multiple times where mass murders of schoolchildren were successfully carried out with knives/axes in China.
Cite them. There have been some killings, but nothing on the scope of America. Nothing even approaching it.
Evil is correct. We have rights, stated clearly in the Constitution. If you want to take those rights from us there is one legal means to do so - amend the Constitution, any other means is subversive, illegal and evil.
No, "evil" is your opinion. And what right does this take away? The right to secretly bear arms? That's a new one on me.
20+ school kids have only been killed by a rampage killer 3 times in history.
Only three? Is that all? Hardly worth worrying about when you put it like that. How many used swords? None, again? Those swordsmen have got to get their act together if they're going to be taken seriously and get themselves Googlemapped.
Government and armies, on the other hand, kill 20 or more schoolkids at once far more often That's why we have the 2nd amendment.
So, you follow the NRA line that we should arm all the teachers and students so they can defend themselves against Obama's stormtroopers? How long do you think they'd last?
When was the last time 20 schoolchildren were killed by a swordsman? Actually, a few days before the Newtown massacre, 14 December, a loonie went to a school with a knife in Henan, China, slashed 22 children, but didn't manage to kill any of them. This "I could kill as many with a nail file" argument is complete bullshit. It just never, ever happens, not in the last 500 years anyway. Any idiot can pick up a gun and kill dozens. It takes real training and skill to do that with a less user-friendly weapon.
Guns by themselves are just as inert as rock music. For fucks sake this is political and evil at its core.
Probably it is political. Evil? Just because it's not your politics, doesn't make it evil. Anyway, it's the gun owners, not the guns who are listed. So, those innocent inert guns aren't being demonised.
They put a gun to your kids head (or a knife to their throat) and politely ask for the key to the guns.
Right. They're going to risk a murder rap to steal your pistol. What is it, Elvis's silver plated limited edition Colt? There are 300 million guns in the USA at least. Any idiot can get a gun for pocket change. And it's a lot easier to steal pocket change and buy one than take your family hostage. Just because you love your gun more than life itself doesn't make it the crown jewels.
Lets start a public list of other harmful products
Liquor - let us know where the drunks are, lets name them by face Tobacco - so you know when your kids might be harmed by tobbaco smoke. Red Meat Sugary Soft Drinks. Cars larger than 3000 pounds - don't wanna get run over by roadhogs. $CONTROVERSIALMUSICSTYLE - Those cretins probably don't vote for $CANDIDATEOFCHOICE or $PARTY, along with being "scary" or terrorists. Or we could stop this politically oriented targeting of citizens. This list should not be public.
Those things aren't inherently lethal to others. If gun nuts just killed themselves, there wouldn't be a problem. But some of them like to make a splash and kill schoolchildren, firemen, etc., before they off themselves.
Or it's a list of prospective homeowners with property worth stealing.
I thought that owing a gun was supposed to deter crime? Be proud, put up an "armed response" sign on your front door.
What idiot would deliberately burglarise a home because he thought the owner had a gun -- no idea what kind of gun or how valuable. Anyway, any random middle-class home is likely to have some stuff worth stealing, more valuable as the average pistol. Mostly they go for cash, jewellery, possibly mobile phones or laptops. Burglars target places that look easy to get in and out of above all else.
Why is the list of permit holders anybody else's business?
Obviously, if the guy had depicted torture and dismemberment of old male victims, no one would be concerned.
And "victims" is used in the sense of "models wearing makeup".
If you take this guty to court, how about all the Saw/Hostel/etc.; all the dozens of slasher/splatter movies made every year? See, e.g. http://bloody-disgusting.com/
Distasteful is not criminal.Dressing up is not crime.
There is a need and value to having a (somewhat) reliable or trustable way to locate the radio stations on the web.
Instead of creating a TLD, and requiring every radio station to pay for a ".rad" domain. just have whichever authority regulates call signs have a web directory and/or search API. Cost: basically zero. Much more reliable since many radio stations would not bother to get one of your special.rad domains, or would not update it and have it as a dead end.
I hear similar suggestions:"Every movie should have a.movie domain... every porn site should have a.xxx domain... etc, etc. All equally silly and just put money in the pockets of the registrars and leave us with a bunch of wacky domains that if they work at all probably redirect to a.com anyway.
Otherwise, just Google for your callsign + radio, you'll probably get it first try. The only TLDs that are needed are national and government ones. Everything else is just bullshit that costs the owner money to maintain and and creates opportunities to deceive or confuse users.
Good selective quoting there. The bit you missed ("you agree to enforce everyone-else's rules in areas where they have sovereignty") makes clear that the blasphemy law thing is a straw man.
Yes, of course the US doesn't enforce Saudi laws. Countries agree to enforce other countries' laws, when they agree with them. Which was my point.
It's easy for me to oppose the "freedom of speech" that results in Chinese dissidents getting death threats.
Umm WTF? Are you seriously saying that the US govt is persecuting Assange and Wikileaks to defend Chinese dissidents? If you believe that, I've got a bridge you might like to buy.
the NYT is not under investigation because it's a legitimate journalist organization.
In-fucking-credible.
"It is easy to believe in freedom of speech for those with whom we agree." -- Leo McKern.
s for "the whole fucking world," you do realize that legally speaking every state in the whole fucking world is supposed to enforce the laws of every other state?
Really? So the US enforces the blasphemy laws of Saudi Arabia?
In actual fact, countries enforce the laws of foreign countries very selectively, only when they have a specific treaty saying so, and often not even then.
Yes there are US Laws.
Trouble is Wikileaks broke them.
Bullshit they did. American military who released the information may have a case to answer, not those who distributed it. Otherwise, why isn't, for example, the New York Times having its bank accounts frozen? It published "Wikileaks" stories on its front page.
The whole fucking world isn't legally beholden to the US government, and US laws, and the US is just being a bully to use tactics like this to strike out at people who embarrassed it.
I wish europeans would stop labeling americans as idiotic fools. The last thing we need is more laws protecting americans from themselves. That just makes it worse.
I'm neither European or American. But it's pretty obvious to anyone that there are plenty of idiotic, murderous fools in America.The idiotic, murderous fools in the NRA enable the real lunatics to have easy access to military weapons and kill innocent children. And the idiotic fools in Washington will speak some platitudes but not lift a finger to change this because that would lose votes from the idiotic fools who love guns, while the idiotic fools that don't love guns can't be fucked to vote at all. If it weren't for all the dead children, I'd say you all deserve what you get, massacres like these several times a year, unlike any other country in the world.
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You have Mandopop on the mainland and Taiwan and Cantopop in Hong Kong. Never heard either called C-pop. Both equally vapid and dominated by pretty boy/girl singers and bands.
you just open a client, list groups that have new messages 'today'.
And find 90% of them are spam selling sport shoes or fake watches, or Bollywood porn.
Thanks to Google Groups, spam has swamped just about every text newsgroup. I was an avid news junkie for more than 10 years, but have barely looked in in the last five. It's so sad to check on what used to be an active community and find a few forlorn posts in a sea of spam.
"I agree" check boxes during the installation are unlikely to get the message to the people who really need it.
So, how did they find your phone number or email? Anywhere that's given should have your obvious "no free support" disclaimer. As well as any online help.
Anyway, despite it not being your fault, you could politely ask them who installed the software and if you can talk to them, you can sort it out.
credit risk profiling is part of my job and these models do indeed wok.
("work")
Anyway, the risk of credit default is what, a few percent? The risk of a terrorist bomber is thousands of times less. Statistics can't give much guidance. And unlike most credit defaulters, terrorists plan to avoid those looking for them.
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The problem with your argument is that guns were only used for two of those. The one with the most casualties used a bomb, not guns.
The total number killed by guns is far higher than any other method of murder.
From what I've seen of that incident it appears that he wasn't trying to kill them, or if he was he was horribly incompetent at it
There are lunatics everywhere, but only in America do they have the firepower so even if they're "horribly incompetent" can they kill dozens. Cutting people up with knives is physically hard and very messy.
Guns make murder easy. That's what they're designed for.
I've seen references to multiple times where mass murders of schoolchildren were successfully carried out with knives/axes in China.
Cite them. There have been some killings, but nothing on the scope of America. Nothing even approaching it.
Longer than they would if they were unarmed.
Sure. Well, better get to digging bunkers under your school so you can defend it against the Obami-ites New World Order.
Evil is correct. We have rights, stated clearly in the Constitution. If you want to take those rights from us there is one legal means to do so - amend the Constitution, any other means is subversive, illegal and evil.
No, "evil" is your opinion. And what right does this take away? The right to secretly bear arms? That's a new one on me.
20+ school kids have only been killed by a rampage killer 3 times in history.
Only three? Is that all? Hardly worth worrying about when you put it like that. How many used swords? None, again? Those swordsmen have got to get their act together if they're going to be taken seriously and get themselves Googlemapped.
Government and armies, on the other hand, kill 20 or more schoolkids at once far more often That's why we have the 2nd amendment.
So, you follow the NRA line that we should arm all the teachers and students so they can defend themselves against Obama's stormtroopers? How long do you think they'd last?
Swords are inherently lethal too.
When was the last time 20 schoolchildren were killed by a swordsman? Actually, a few days before the Newtown massacre, 14 December, a loonie went to a school with a knife in Henan, China, slashed 22 children, but didn't manage to kill any of them. This "I could kill as many with a nail file" argument is complete bullshit. It just never, ever happens, not in the last 500 years anyway. Any idiot can pick up a gun and kill dozens. It takes real training and skill to do that with a less user-friendly weapon.
Guns by themselves are just as inert as rock music. For fucks sake this is political and evil at its core.
Probably it is political. Evil? Just because it's not your politics, doesn't make it evil. Anyway, it's the gun owners, not the guns who are listed. So, those innocent inert guns aren't being demonised.
They put a gun to your kids head (or a knife to their throat) and politely ask for the key to the guns.
Right. They're going to risk a murder rap to steal your pistol. What is it, Elvis's silver plated limited edition Colt? There are 300 million guns in the USA at least. Any idiot can get a gun for pocket change. And it's a lot easier to steal pocket change and buy one than take your family hostage. Just because you love your gun more than life itself doesn't make it the crown jewels.
They could be targeted by anti-gun zealots.
Yeah, those notorious anti-gun zealots who have attacked so many law abiding gun owners . How many times have we seen that happen ... never?
It's like publishing a map which pinpoints where the jews are.
But we can put a Godwin on yours.
Lets start a public list of other harmful products
Liquor - let us know where the drunks are, lets name them by face
Tobacco - so you know when your kids might be harmed by tobbaco smoke.
Red Meat
Sugary Soft Drinks.
Cars larger than 3000 pounds - don't wanna get run over by roadhogs.
$CONTROVERSIALMUSICSTYLE - Those cretins probably don't vote for $CANDIDATEOFCHOICE or $PARTY, along with being "scary" or terrorists.
Or we could stop this politically oriented targeting of citizens. This list should not be public.
Those things aren't inherently lethal to others. If gun nuts just killed themselves, there wouldn't be a problem. But some of them like to make a splash and kill schoolchildren, firemen, etc., before they off themselves.
Or it's a list of prospective homeowners with property worth stealing.
I thought that owing a gun was supposed to deter crime? Be proud, put up an "armed response" sign on your front door.
What idiot would deliberately burglarise a home because he thought the owner had a gun -- no idea what kind of gun or how valuable. Anyway, any random middle-class home is likely to have some stuff worth stealing, more valuable as the average pistol. Mostly they go for cash, jewellery, possibly mobile phones or laptops. Burglars target places that look easy to get in and out of above all else.
Why is the list of permit holders anybody else's business?
So your neighbours can give you a wide berth..
And "victims" is used in the sense of "models wearing makeup".
If you take this guty to court, how about all the Saw/Hostel/etc.; all the dozens of slasher/splatter movies made every year? See, e.g. http://bloody-disgusting.com/
Distasteful is not criminal.Dressing up is not crime.
Pro-tip: use the Fact: prefix before making stating any opinion in an online forum.
And adding the "Period" suffix after your opinion makes it a universal truth. Period.
Is Beginning Every Word With A Capital Letter Mandatory In Ada?
There is a need and value to having a (somewhat) reliable or trustable way to locate the radio stations on the web.
Instead of creating a TLD, and requiring every radio station to pay for a ".rad" domain. just have whichever authority regulates call signs have a web directory and/or search API. Cost: basically zero. Much more reliable since many radio stations would not bother to get one of your special .rad domains, or would not update it and have it as a dead end.
I hear similar suggestions:"Every movie should have a .movie domain... every porn site should have a .xxx domain ... etc, etc. All equally silly and just put money in the pockets of the registrars and leave us with a bunch of wacky domains that if they work at all probably redirect to a .com anyway.
Otherwise, just Google for your callsign + radio, you'll probably get it first try. The only TLDs that are needed are national and government ones. Everything else is just bullshit that costs the owner money to maintain and and creates opportunities to deceive or confuse users.
Good selective quoting there. The bit you missed ("you agree to enforce everyone-else's rules in areas where they have sovereignty") makes clear that the blasphemy law thing is a straw man.
Yes, of course the US doesn't enforce Saudi laws. Countries agree to enforce other countries' laws, when they agree with them. Which was my point.
It's easy for me to oppose the "freedom of speech" that results in Chinese dissidents getting death threats.
Umm WTF? Are you seriously saying that the US govt is persecuting Assange and Wikileaks to defend Chinese dissidents? If you believe that, I've got a bridge you might like to buy.
the NYT is not under investigation because it's a legitimate journalist organization.
In-fucking-credible.
"It is easy to believe in freedom of speech for those with whom we agree." -- Leo McKern.
s for "the whole fucking world," you do realize that legally speaking every state in the whole fucking world is supposed to enforce the laws of every other state?
Really? So the US enforces the blasphemy laws of Saudi Arabia?
In actual fact, countries enforce the laws of foreign countries very selectively, only when they have a specific treaty saying so, and often not even then.
Yes there are US Laws. Trouble is Wikileaks broke them.
Bullshit they did. American military who released the information may have a case to answer, not those who distributed it. Otherwise, why isn't, for example, the New York Times having its bank accounts frozen? It published "Wikileaks" stories on its front page.
The whole fucking world isn't legally beholden to the US government, and US laws, and the US is just being a bully to use tactics like this to strike out at people who embarrassed it.
I wish europeans would stop labeling americans as idiotic fools. The last thing we need is more laws protecting americans from themselves. That just makes it worse.
I'm neither European or American. But it's pretty obvious to anyone that there are plenty of idiotic, murderous fools in America.The idiotic, murderous fools in the NRA enable the real lunatics to have easy access to military weapons and kill innocent children. And the idiotic fools in Washington will speak some platitudes but not lift a finger to change this because that would lose votes from the idiotic fools who love guns, while the idiotic fools that don't love guns can't be fucked to vote at all. If it weren't for all the dead children, I'd say you all deserve what you get, massacres like these several times a year, unlike any other country in the world. .
Is it something lacking in Asia, or just in dictatorship?
This was on the Chinese version of Twitter. Do you think the western version is any less credulous and ready to fall for hoaxes and rumours?
Also, China isn't really a dictatorship any more, though it's also along way from democracy.
You have Mandopop on the mainland and Taiwan and Cantopop in Hong Kong. Never heard either called C-pop. Both equally vapid and dominated by pretty boy/girl singers and bands.
you just open a client, list groups that have new messages 'today'.
And find 90% of them are spam selling sport shoes or fake watches, or Bollywood porn.
Thanks to Google Groups, spam has swamped just about every text newsgroup. I was an avid news junkie for more than 10 years, but have barely looked in in the last five. It's so sad to check on what used to be an active community and find a few forlorn posts in a sea of spam.
"I agree" check boxes during the installation are unlikely to get the message to the people who really need it.
So, how did they find your phone number or email? Anywhere that's given should have your obvious "no free support" disclaimer. As well as any online help.
Anyway, despite it not being your fault, you could politely ask them who installed the software and if you can talk to them, you can sort it out.
credit risk profiling is part of my job and these models do indeed wok.
("work")
Anyway, the risk of credit default is what, a few percent? The risk of a terrorist bomber is thousands of times less. Statistics can't give much guidance. And unlike most credit defaulters, terrorists plan to avoid those looking for them.
Doesn't matter why you have a backup system. The fact is they must have one, whether it's for religious nutbars or inevitable technical glitches.