I haven't really played with the PowerPoint export, but the PDF export I haven't had any problems with.
The QuickTime version isn't quite there, though that seems to be a problem with quicktime and not a problem with the export.
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I've got you beat on the number of windows I generally keep open at once (BBEdit, TeX Shop, a terminal, Safari, Mail, and I'm just getting warmed up), I just click on the Safari Icon and select the window that I want, or use Command-` to shift between open windows, or any number of other of things.
This is all on my iBook.
I consider tabs to be fundamentally broken from numerous standpoints and they would overcomplicate both the code and the way that things integrate for a web browser such as Safari.
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Why on earth would you *need* tabs.
Most of the world gets along fine without them, myself included (albeit, I transfered to Safari from OmniWeb and never liked them when I had them available when using Mozilla...).
Um, most of the Open Source software that I've installed has been done without fink, thank you very much, and many individuals who work quite a bit with open source have a strong distaste for it.
You obviously have never worked on a rackmount before if you think that a "cheap Intel box" is even in the same league as these things.
As another poster pointed out, *you* may want to run your critical business software off of a cheap intel box, but personally I prefer using a slightly higher quality server.
The ability to discover services that are being offered on a closed network is not generally considered a security risk.
Sometimes, but rarely.
Ease of Use vs Security is a major issue, and if this covered the entire internet there might be problems, but this is for local networks--if you can't trust them at least enough to know where the printers are, then you are running at a higher security model than most schools, homes, or businesses ever even consider.
Remember, you have to specifically enable a lot of these services on a Mac and generally, after having specifically enabled them, you want people to be able to use them.
It should be noted, briefly, that you can get one for $1500 without a monitor.
1GHz G4 256 MB RAM 60 GB Hard Drive DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive NVidia GeForce4 MX w/ 64 MB VRAM Modem...and all the other niceties we've come to expect (firewire, USB, an airport antenna &c).
" Can't our minds cope with the idea that all those different people might not be having exactly the same thoughts? "
Of course, many people on/. can't even figure out that/. isn't a homogenous entity,
For instance:
"Wait, aren't we supposed to hate the MPAA and be boycotting movies?" (in response to the new release of a movie)
Of course some people on/. hate the movie industry and are boycotting it, but others aren't. This isn't hypocritical, it is a consequence of having a lot of people.
So, since we can't even recognize ourselves as a non-homogenous entity, then the probability of us recognizing Apple or Microsoft is slim.
While I agreed with many of your points, this one glared at me as political and not well founded:
" They are starting to see that free software is better software and always will be. "
Is MatLab no longer worth the cost because of SciLab? Can XCircuit w/ SPICE compete with OrCAD/PSpice? R is a wonderful program that I use regularly, but it cannot compete with SPlus--or some of the other statistical packages--for a lot of tasks. OpenOffice still isn't Good Enough to be "better than" MS Office for all users,
We choose software because it does what we need and, sometimes, the free replacement doesn't do that.
"Wrong. I own the dual G4 PowerMac for $1700 and did not get an AirPort card in it. Not only that, but you don't get AirPort in a PowerBook until you spend at least $2799.99. That is a joke."
As was already pointed out, you do have an *antenna* for a card, should you want to get the card later. Makes life a hell of a lot easier.
Also, as to this crap about "AirPort in a PowerBook": You can get a 12" PowerBook with an AirPort 802.11g (yes, that's "g") for $1,898.00. If you simply want a portable with AirPort 802.11b we can pick you up an iBook for $1,078.00 (prices from the Apple Online Store).
btw, I would love to see *anyone* find a reliable means of gathering marketshare data, I have yet to see it done.
"Apple's cheapest machine with a DVD burner is $1299. Sony's is $799"
What DVD burning software comes with it? How easy is it to use? What are the other stats on the machine? Does it come with FireWire? How do you get Video onto it? An AirPort Antenna?
If you just want a DVD burner, buy a DVD Burner and skip the computer. If you want an actual system, then compare the *systems* and not whether they have one feature you want.
"If you do that, people who buy your machines will get less computer while paying more money. Thus less people will buy your products. It's not rocket science."
Evidently, someone here flunked economics and it wasn't me: Frankly, Apple's computers have certain features which set them apart from most PCs, these features are considered desireable and therefore people who want these features may find the Mac more to their liking and thus either purchase another Mac when it comes time to upgrade or Switch.
Pay attention next time you go shopping, even for something as simple as groceries. Things are never "$5" they are "$4.99".
This is for advertising purposes, someone is more likely to purchase something when it is "$999" than when it is "$1000" and it lets them advertise with keyphrases such as "under $1000!" which helps market their product.
The article here only links to the deal for K-12 teachers, however, it also applies to full-time faculty at colleges and universities. Once again only in the United States.
It is covered in more detail in their Higher Education section (go figure).
As a reminder, Students can still purchase Keynote for $79 and iLife for $49 at The Apple Store.
1) It isn't just K-12, it is Higher Ed as well. I have a professor already talking about taking them up on the deal.
2) Presentation apps are a tool. If the teacher cannot find something to do with that tool, then there is no need for them to purchase it. OTOH, I think most teachers, if they think a little on the topic, could find a use for it.
For instance, I had a lot of History teachers write notes on the board, a projecter and Keynote/PPT would allow them to present those notes far more legibly and still cover them completely.
I remember several HS math textbooks covering applications. Keynote could easily help craft presentations on some of these applications and how the math applies.
Computer Science classes are the same way: the presentation could be made much more dynamic and informative if the software is correctly used.
In College I have had a *lot* of classes taught using overheads--these transition easily into Keynote/PPT presentations.
For younger classes there are many ways it could be used that I can think of, put your mind to it!
Just because no-one is using a tool doesn't, by any means, mean that said tool could not be used to help improve things.
HS, in particular, is in dire need of an improvement.
Why is it that everytime a company does something good--offers a software package for free, steeply discounts something--someone steps out of the woodwork and accuses them of having ulterior motives.
Of COURSE they have ulterior motives, they are a *business* and are trying to turn a *profit*.
By giving away iLife and Keynote at what is essentially cost of producing the boxes, they distribute their software more widely into the hands of people who might use it later and help gain a toehold against MS.
Remember, MS PowerPoint already dominates that market and if they want people to try out Keynote they *have* to give them a reason to experiment and play with it. Keynote is not a PowerPoint replacement: there are things that PP does that Keynote can't (yet, though keynote is still the better product overall), however, by offering it at that price they might convince teachers to "try it out" even if they already have PowerPoint and are using it regularly.
Further, if Teachers have the latest and greatest in terms of software--or at least can run it--it helps them defeat the fact that schools tend to lag on the technology curve. Having the most up-to-date software is not necessary, but if you want to give kids an accurate presentation of what yoru software is like, or even want them to be able to run the latest applications, up-to-date software is a Good Thing?.
"In ways its no different to drug dealing. Hook them while they're young?"
Hello? McFly? Are you even engaging your brain here?
"Apple can't even release a quicktime player for other unixes... Great move guys. We love you and will surely buy your systems."
You do realize most of us purchase computers because they do what we want/need them to for a minimum amount of fuss and not because we are politically motivated as to what someone chooses to or not to port their software to.
Please, I consider QuickTime Player to be a reason *to* use MacOS X rather than that they won't port it to other systems a reason not to.
I'm building a presentation with keynote right now, it has 14 slides, a theme, transitional effects between those slides, lots of information, &c. (Think grad presentation on a topic).
It has 5201 lines.
That isn't a huge increase from the original file size, considering what I added. This would seem to indicate that these files take a lot of setting up, but once set up are really easy to add to.
"Skeptics in history like Gallileo and Copernicus"
Both of these men were firm Christians, the latter being a Monk and the former often discussing interpretation of the scripture, believing that an English or Latin interpreation--not being of the original form--should certainly be taken symbolically.
Galileo was also not exactly what you would call a "bastion of scientific reason": he firmly believed that the tides confirmed the heliocentric theory and ridiculed Kepler (also a devout Christian) for saying that *moon* might have a serious contribution to the tides. His argument was more philosophical than mathematical and he used such childish techniques as calling the Pope (Urban VIII) "Simpleton" and portraying him as a bufoon.
I doubt this is intentional, but if you go under preferences for OmniWeb, under compatability, there is a nice little spot where you can adjust what browser it tells the website it is.
I have been able to conduct online banking through that means without any problems whatsoever.
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I haven't really played with the PowerPoint export, but the PDF export I haven't had any problems with.
The QuickTime version isn't quite there, though that seems to be a problem with quicktime and not a problem with the export.
I've got you beat on the number of windows I generally keep open at once (BBEdit, TeX Shop, a terminal, Safari, Mail, and I'm just getting warmed up), I just click on the Safari Icon and select the window that I want, or use Command-` to shift between open windows, or any number of other of things.
This is all on my iBook.
I consider tabs to be fundamentally broken from numerous standpoints and they would overcomplicate both the code and the way that things integrate for a web browser such as Safari.
Why on earth would you *need* tabs.
Most of the world gets along fine without them, myself included (albeit, I transfered to Safari from OmniWeb and never liked them when I had them available when using Mozilla...).
Well, there are some macroviruses that work on the Mac, but they require you to have MS Office...
Other than that, there are none that I am aware of.
"no fink, no open source on OS X."
Um, most of the Open Source software that I've installed has been done without fink, thank you very much, and many individuals who work quite a bit with open source have a strong distaste for it.
"that Linux on a cheap Intel box does not?"
You obviously have never worked on a rackmount before if you think that a "cheap Intel box" is even in the same league as these things.
As another poster pointed out, *you* may want to run your critical business software off of a cheap intel box, but personally I prefer using a slightly higher quality server.
The ability to discover services that are being offered on a closed network is not generally considered a security risk.
Sometimes, but rarely.
Ease of Use vs Security is a major issue, and if this covered the entire internet there might be problems, but this is for local networks--if you can't trust them at least enough to know where the printers are, then you are running at a higher security model than most schools, homes, or businesses ever even consider.
Remember, you have to specifically enable a lot of these services on a Mac and generally, after having specifically enabled them, you want people to be able to use them.
It should be noted, briefly, that you can get one for $1500 without a monitor.
...and all the other niceties we've come to expect (firewire, USB, an airport antenna &c).
1GHz G4
256 MB RAM
60 GB Hard Drive
DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive
NVidia GeForce4 MX w/ 64 MB VRAM
Modem
From the Apple Store.
" Can't our minds cope with the idea that all those different people might not be having exactly the same thoughts? "
/. can't even figure out that /. isn't a homogenous entity,
/. hate the movie industry and are boycotting it, but others aren't. This isn't hypocritical, it is a consequence of having a lot of people.
;-)
Of course, many people on
For instance:
"Wait, aren't we supposed to hate the MPAA and be boycotting movies?" (in response to the new release of a movie)
Of course some people on
So, since we can't even recognize ourselves as a non-homogenous entity, then the probability of us recognizing Apple or Microsoft is slim.
Wait, now I am doing it with the "we"
While I agreed with many of your points, this one glared at me as political and not well founded:
" They are starting to see that free software is better software and always will be. "
Is MatLab no longer worth the cost because of SciLab? Can XCircuit w/ SPICE compete with OrCAD/PSpice? R is a wonderful program that I use regularly, but it cannot compete with SPlus--or some of the other statistical packages--for a lot of tasks. OpenOffice still isn't Good Enough to be "better than" MS Office for all users,
We choose software because it does what we need and, sometimes, the free replacement doesn't do that.
"Wrong. I own the dual G4 PowerMac for $1700 and did not get an AirPort card in it. Not only that, but you don't get AirPort in a PowerBook until you spend at least $2799.99. That is a joke."
As was already pointed out, you do have an *antenna* for a card, should you want to get the card later. Makes life a hell of a lot easier.
Also, as to this crap about "AirPort in a PowerBook":
You can get a 12" PowerBook with an AirPort 802.11g (yes, that's "g") for $1,898.00. If you simply want a portable with AirPort 802.11b we can pick you up an iBook for $1,078.00 (prices from the Apple Online Store).
btw, I would love to see *anyone* find a reliable means of gathering marketshare data, I have yet to see it done.
"Apple's cheapest machine with a DVD burner is $1299. Sony's is $799"
What DVD burning software comes with it? How easy is it to use? What are the other stats on the machine? Does it come with FireWire? How do you get Video onto it? An AirPort Antenna?
If you just want a DVD burner, buy a DVD Burner and skip the computer. If you want an actual system, then compare the *systems* and not whether they have one feature you want.
"If you do that, people who buy your machines will get less computer while paying more money. Thus less people will buy your products. It's not rocket science."
Evidently, someone here flunked economics and it wasn't me: Frankly, Apple's computers have certain features which set them apart from most PCs, these features are considered desireable and therefore people who want these features may find the Mac more to their liking and thus either purchase another Mac when it comes time to upgrade or Switch.
...of ignorant comparisons.
Lets assume that you get a 40 GB HD with that, just to make things interesting.
Do you get:
*A Combo (DVD/CD-RW) drive.
*10/100 Base-T Ethernet
*2xFireWire Ports
*5xUSB Ports
*17" Flat CRT
*NVidia GeForce2 MX w/ 32 MB of VRAM
*Built-in Microphone
*90-days tech support and a 1-year warranty.
*MacOS X
Not even *mentioning* component quality in all of this.
Pay attention next time you go shopping, even for something as simple as groceries. Things are never "$5" they are "$4.99".
This is for advertising purposes, someone is more likely to purchase something when it is "$999" than when it is "$1000" and it lets them advertise with keyphrases such as "under $1000!" which helps market their product.
The article here only links to the deal for K-12 teachers, however, it also applies to full-time faculty at colleges and universities. Once again only in the United States. It is covered in more detail in their Higher Education section (go figure). As a reminder, Students can still purchase Keynote for $79 and iLife for $49 at The Apple Store.
1) It isn't just K-12, it is Higher Ed as well. I have a professor already talking about taking them up on the deal.
2) Presentation apps are a tool. If the teacher cannot find something to do with that tool, then there is no need for them to purchase it. OTOH, I think most teachers, if they think a little on the topic, could find a use for it.
For instance, I had a lot of History teachers write notes on the board, a projecter and Keynote/PPT would allow them to present those notes far more legibly and still cover them completely.
I remember several HS math textbooks covering applications. Keynote could easily help craft presentations on some of these applications and how the math applies.
Computer Science classes are the same way: the presentation could be made much more dynamic and informative if the software is correctly used.
In College I have had a *lot* of classes taught using overheads--these transition easily into Keynote/PPT presentations.
For younger classes there are many ways it could be used that I can think of, put your mind to it!
Just because no-one is using a tool doesn't, by any means, mean that said tool could not be used to help improve things.
HS, in particular, is in dire need of an improvement.
You would prefer to pay the full price?
TANSTAAFL
Why is it that everytime a company does something good--offers a software package for free, steeply discounts something--someone steps out of the woodwork and accuses them of having ulterior motives.
Of COURSE they have ulterior motives, they are a *business* and are trying to turn a *profit*.
By giving away iLife and Keynote at what is essentially cost of producing the boxes, they distribute their software more widely into the hands of people who might use it later and help gain a toehold against MS.
Remember, MS PowerPoint already dominates that market and if they want people to try out Keynote they *have* to give them a reason to experiment and play with it. Keynote is not a PowerPoint replacement: there are things that PP does that Keynote can't (yet, though keynote is still the better product overall), however, by offering it at that price they might convince teachers to "try it out" even if they already have PowerPoint and are using it regularly.
Further, if Teachers have the latest and greatest in terms of software--or at least can run it--it helps them defeat the fact that schools tend to lag on the technology curve. Having the most up-to-date software is not necessary, but if you want to give kids an accurate presentation of what yoru software is like, or even want them to be able to run the latest applications, up-to-date software is a Good Thing?.
"In ways its no different to drug dealing. Hook them while they're young?"
Hello? McFly? Are you even engaging your brain here?
My (lesbian) friend's comment:
"But the reason I use PCs is because they are more hands on! Open that case, open that case!"
Is that is almost *exactly* the kind of task the AltiVec engine excels at. IIRC, the numbers are as follows:
P4 -- Works on one key every other clock cycle.
AMD -- Works on one key per clock cycle.
G4 -- Can work on 4 keys at once.
Or something else along those lines--regardless of the actual numbers, it demonstrates how powerful AltiVec really is.
"Apple can't even release a quicktime player for other unixes... Great move guys. We love you and will surely buy your systems."
You do realize most of us purchase computers because they do what we want/need them to for a minimum amount of fuss and not because we are politically motivated as to what someone chooses to or not to port their software to.
Please, I consider QuickTime Player to be a reason *to* use MacOS X rather than that they won't port it to other systems a reason not to.
As to the file format, its MPEG4.
"and running on an OS that will not allow photoshop to use 100% cpu when other background tasks are in use."
sudo renice
OTOH, training in IRC could give you a habit of substituting certain numbers for letters &c.
It would suck to turn in a note to your boss that read "W3 are 0wnz0ring Company A @ the convention."
Here is what you aren't getting though:
I'm building a presentation with keynote right now, it has 14 slides, a theme, transitional effects between those slides, lots of information, &c. (Think grad presentation on a topic).
It has 5201 lines.
That isn't a huge increase from the original file size, considering what I added. This would seem to indicate that these files take a lot of setting up, but once set up are really easy to add to.
"Skeptics in history like Gallileo and Copernicus"
Both of these men were firm Christians, the latter being a Monk and the former often discussing interpretation of the scripture, believing that an English or Latin interpreation--not being of the original form--should certainly be taken symbolically.
Galileo was also not exactly what you would call a "bastion of scientific reason": he firmly believed that the tides confirmed the heliocentric theory and ridiculed Kepler (also a devout Christian) for saying that *moon* might have a serious contribution to the tides. His argument was more philosophical than mathematical and he used such childish techniques as calling the Pope (Urban VIII) "Simpleton" and portraying him as a bufoon.
I doubt this is intentional, but if you go under preferences for OmniWeb, under compatability, there is a nice little spot where you can adjust what browser it tells the website it is.
I have been able to conduct online banking through that means without any problems whatsoever.