"Of those who have tried the program and ditched it, they did so for whatever reasons."
And you are making up numbers with the "millions disagree" nonsense.
"The reason we've seen most often cited are related to the UI."
Which is a moot point with the release of Opera 8, since Opera 8's UI kicks Firefox's ass.
"You can call them liars, fanboys and zealots until you're blue in the face"
I call you that. But hey, don't let facts get in your way again.
"Obviously you aren't capable of reasonable conversation and my estimation of your emotional age as being around 12 seems appropriate given your responses so this is my last response on the subject since I don't take unfair advantage of drunks, dimwits and children."
Obviously you are a brainwashed Firefox zealot who starts insulting people when you have painted yourself into a corner with your lies and made up numbers.
You can run, but you can't hide... My Firefox Zealot Detector goes off the scale when I point it at you.
Way to completely miss the point, Firefox zealot. You don't know that "millions disagree" at all. You are making up numbers, taking them from your ass.
"Actually, I've known quite a few people over the years who have tried Opera with only 1 or 2 continuing to use it as most loathed it for various reasons. I don't have to make up numbers and you seem to be the only one here making dubious claims."
Ah, anecdotal evidence from a Firefox zealot is always trustworthy...
"Downloads.com shows both Opera versions 7.54 and 8.0 as having been downloaded well over 7 MILLION times EACH so there goes your argument regarding the numbers of people who have tried it or perhaps they simply downloaded it and erased it from their drives to inflate the numbers. That must be it."
Of course millions have downloaded Opera. After all, Opera has millions of users. Thanks for making my point for me.
"Do you also go to to athletic events and become a zealot for the underdogs simply to be different?"
Ah, so yet another great one from a Firefox zealot: If you like or use Opera, you must be weird! No wonder the Firefox community has such a lousy reputation.
I don't care if it's a but or not. I'm simply pointing out certain facts that escape Firefox zealots who seem to be only too eager to put down Opera.
Did you know that the "evil" Opera Software actually pays several people who work on open standards at, among other things, the W3C? That's how evil Opera is.
You Firefox zealots are looking for anything to use in attacks against Opera, but you seem to forget all the stuff Opera makes possible because they actually make money and can invest in open standards and research.
"It's advertising and FUD from those Opera guys. They are really getting boring."
Better put on your tinfoil hat!
"Someone at Opera reports it (under a false name) as a security issue affecting every browser BUT Opera"
Wow. I didn't know that "Jakob Balle, Secunia Research" worked for Opera? I thought he worked for Secunia, seeing as he, well, works there and everything?
"Slashdot runs one more article about the genious of this stupid paid-for, closed source browser."
You mean Opera? Opera Software, the company that employs and pays several members of the W3C? Which pays real money to people to work on open standards?
Ah, the evil Opera! I get it.
"That's not the first time it happens, nor the last one./., stop supporting Opera FUD. Thanks."
Ah, MozillaNews... Written by the guy who attacked an Opera rep and accused him of lying, when it turned out that he himself got it all wrong, but when several people pointed out his errors in his own blog, he got mad and deleted their comments.
"irefox has one 'x' button to close tabs, Opera has one for every tab open"
Yeah, this is one of the confusing things about Firefox: It is not in a standard position, and it doesn't have anything to do with the tab it's supposed to close.
"Opera has a whole row between menus and toolbars dedicated to ads."
And still it has as much viewing space as Firefox by default...
"That would be your opinion and you're entitled to it but millions obviously disagree for a variety of reasons"
Of course millions don't disagree. Most people haven't even tried Opera. Quit making up numbers to support your dubious claims.
"don't see that it has any more functionality than Firefox or Mozilla"
You mean, other than being smaller, faster, and with lots of useful features that work together rather than being bolted on as an afterthought?
"I can't see where I can add any functionality through the use of extensions or plug-ins"
You can add toolbars, menus, panels, use bookmarlets, User JavaScript, etc. There are lots of ways to add functionality to Opera. For example, this.
"or remove 'features' that I don't use"
What features would that be? Those features are hidden until you need them, and don't get in the way or slow down Opera. Again, you are spreading lies and just repeating what some other Firefox fanboy told you.
The interface complaints are moot. Opera is as clean now by default as IE and Firefox. Claiming anything else is pure FUD. The only problem is the ads. But don't give me the "Opera is cluttered" nonsense, because it's a lie.
"It's not about how much "stuff" there is (please read the definition of "cluttered" some time). It is how that stuff is organized. Opera needs to undergo some serious UI redesign by people who know what they are doing."
Not at all. The way it is organized makes it easy to use, and a whole lot smoother than Firefox.
"I know they have been changing over the years. I know the new version has less menus and all that but the interface still sucks. It is not refined and has a funky feel. All the changes they have made feel like programmer's ideas. It just does not feel professional."
Actually, it feels very professional, and you work much faster with Opera than with Firefox.
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If he did that he would probably be kept for treatment, as his head obviously wasn't screwed on right.
Great! Let's hope they do so that alternatives can find a place to start from, and eventually topple MS worldwide.
You can run, but you can't hide... My Firefox Zealot Detector goes off the scale when I point it at you.
Way to completely miss the point, Firefox zealot. You don't know that "millions disagree" at all. You are making up numbers, taking them from your ass.
Yeah, but as the saying goes: Opera Had It First(TM)
Er, source for that claim?
Opera had RSS in a 7.5 beta in April 2004. 7.5 final with RSS was released in May 2004.
Did you know that the "evil" Opera Software actually pays several people who work on open standards at, among other things, the W3C? That's how evil Opera is.
You Firefox zealots are looking for anything to use in attacks against Opera, but you seem to forget all the stuff Opera makes possible because they actually make money and can invest in open standards and research.
To everyone else it's more like sour grapes. Boo hoo, Mozilla didn't fix it first, so it must be a conspiracy...
True. And he made a right fool of himself, the MozillaNews editor.
Ah, the evil Opera! I get it.
Asa? Is that you? Why are you posting as an AC?!Java != JavaScript. This is about JavaScript dialogs, and Opera has built-in JavaScript support.
Yes, great unbiased source, that.
It's possible to remove buttons in Opera too: Just right-click and select "Remove from toolbar". Or you can drag and drop them around.
Sigh. Firefox zealots who like to lie about Opera are annoying :(
Actually, the aggressive caching is one of the things that make Opera faster. It doesn't "feel" slower at all - it is actually faster.
Opera might not be open-source, but it's smaller, faster and generally better than Firefox.
Yes sir, if anyone dares to not use Firefox, they are zealots in denial! Hah. People like you are the reason why the Firefox community has such a shitty reputation.
Opera has even fewer menus than Firefox by default, so "cluttered" is definitely FUD/BS/NAZI/ETC.
The interface complaints are moot. Opera is as clean now by default as IE and Firefox. Claiming anything else is pure FUD. The only problem is the ads. But don't give me the "Opera is cluttered" nonsense, because it's a lie.
Firefox is just clunky and slow.