This fits all of them, and it's likely that either Chrome or Opera is in the #5 slot
Actually, is in the #3 slot worldwide, and in Europe, which is where it actually counts, Opera is also #3, and bigger than Chrome and Safari combined.
Still, you're right, the problem with this solution is that it helps maintain status quo. The browser monopoly has been replaced with what amounts to a browser cartel - no one is going to want to be bumped off of that list.
This does in no way maintain status quo. In fact it makes it EASIER for alternative browsers to enter the market because sites will be written for standards rather than for specific browsers, which means that there will be far fewer compatibility problems, which is the main obstacle when it comes to entering the browser market.
This does in no way maintain status quo. In fact it makes it EASIER for alternative browsers to enter the market because sites will be written for standards rather than for specific browsers, which means that there will be far fewer compatibility problems, which is the main obstacle when it comes to entering the browser market.
Windows is still a dominant OS, and bundling IE with a dominant product in a different market is anti-competitive. No, 5 monopolies will not be created, you moron.
Yeah, abiding by the law is really a "ridiculous demand". Right. It's amazing that even Microsoft fully accepts EU competition law, but you MS fanboy whiners don't!
You are whining because your comment is nothing but an irrational rant. Microsoft can include whatever programs as long as it follows the law. They broke the law, and therefore lost the freedom to do that.
what bothers me is some committee handing me a 1 billion dollar fine if I do not include competitor's products in my own software. It really boogles my mind, how the EU is able to get away with all this shit
There's nothing to "get away with". All countries have antitrust laws. The EU is merely enforcing its own antrust law.
I really doubt that it is for the benefit of the consumers in the EU, the consumers could care less, as many have protested in this forum or on various others. What it basically boils down to is MONEY for them.
Your ignorance is amazing. The EU didn't even start the whole thing. Someone else reported Microsoft's crimes, and the EC started investigating.
It's a good thing if anti-competetive behaviour is punished but the whole browser story really is beating a dead horse. The EU is trailing reality by a few years
Actually, Microsoft has been violating competition law to this day.
As much as I'd love to see the world move away from Windows and Microsoft, I really don't see the point in making their life hard over media players or browsers right now.
So what you are saying that breaking the law should have no consequences?
telling MS to bundle other browsers is just stupid
Not when MS broke the law. It's not like Microsoft is the only company to have to bundle competitors due to their own predatory practices. You are clearly rather ignorant and bigoted.
Main goal is to not reward the people who instigated the witch hunt.
So the main goal is to punish those who reported the crime, not the criminal? Amazing. By the way, why aren't you arguing that Microsoft should be punished for filing antitrust complaints against Google? Surely if reporting violations of competition law is a terrible thing to do, it must be as bad when Microsoft does it? Or are you just another fucking hypcrite?
Its dead-simple to not only make a browser based on Microsofts rendering engine using Visual Basic 6, its also simple to make an installer.
That isn't a browser. It's an IE shell.
Really? So one browser from each rendering engine.. eh?
No. Each browser should, at a minimum, have its own engine. While Chrome is based on WebKit, it's distributed as a separate engine, and V8 is Google's creation. So IE, Firefox, Opera, Safari and Chrome would be bundled. The EU said the number of bundled browsers would be 5, and all of the top 5 browsers in Europe are standalone browsers and not just shells.
I don't get why you Microsoft fanboys are so keen on "punishing" someone (who?) for Microsoft breaking the law, and being forced to accept the consequences of its violations. It's hilarious to see you whine and bitch and try to come up with ways Microsoft could make itself look even more foolish.
Yeah, throw a childish hissy fit. That always works. You Microsoft fanboys are hilarious. If you had bothered to pay attention, you would have known that they will decide a specific number. 5 browsers has been mentioned as the most likely outcome. Now go cry and whine over the fact that Microsoft needs to face the consequences of its actions, ROTFL.
While a risky move, Microsoft just needs to pull out of the EU and say "Piss off"
Microsoft fully embraces European competition law. They have said so, and they showed it in action when they tried to use European competition law against Google by filing an antitrust complaint. It's hilarious that while Microsoft fully understands and accepts the law, ignorant MS fanboys are spewing their venom and having a childish hissy fit when Microsoft is caught breaking the law and must face the consequences of their actions.
Seriously, they should have the right to bundle their browser with their OS.
As long as they follow the law, sure. But they broke the law. Even Microsoft realizes that breaking the law and getting caught has consequences. Only ignorant MS fanboys think otherwise.
Your whining is getting more and more desperate, Microsoft shill. You are still spreading the old lies and misconceptions others have corrected dozens of time over. Pathetic indeed.
Not at all. Their violations of the law have continued to this day.
We have seen in version after version the share for IE erode since the days of IE6
Yeah, but not because Microsoft isn't breaking the law and abusing the market, as Mozilla points out:
"When the only real competition comes from a not for profit open source organization that depends on volunteers for almost half of its work product and nearly all of its marketing and distribution, while more than half a dozen other "traditional" browser vendors with better than I.E. products have had near-zero success encroaching on Microsoft I.E.'s dominance, there's a demonstrable tilt to the playing field. That tilt comes with the distribution channel - default status for the OS bundled Web browser.
Frankly I honestly don't think it is gonna matter what MSFT does one way or the other anymore, the EU is gonna keep hitting them up for big fat checks.
You are an idiot. Microsoft broke the law. Don't whine about laws being enforced by the government.
They are being "picked on" because they illegally abused their dominant position. Just like other criminals are being "picked on", poor things. Evil government, "picking on" innocent criminals like that.
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Actually, is in the #3 slot worldwide, and in Europe, which is where it actually counts, Opera is also #3, and bigger than Chrome and Safari combined.
This does in no way maintain status quo. In fact it makes it EASIER for alternative browsers to enter the market because sites will be written for standards rather than for specific browsers, which means that there will be far fewer compatibility problems, which is the main obstacle when it comes to entering the browser market.
This does in no way maintain status quo. In fact it makes it EASIER for alternative browsers to enter the market because sites will be written for standards rather than for specific browsers, which means that there will be far fewer compatibility problems, which is the main obstacle when it comes to entering the browser market.
Windows is still a dominant OS, and bundling IE with a dominant product in a different market is anti-competitive. No, 5 monopolies will not be created, you moron.
Yeah, abiding by the law is really a "ridiculous demand". Right. It's amazing that even Microsoft fully accepts EU competition law, but you MS fanboy whiners don't!
There's nothing to "get away with". All countries have antitrust laws. The EU is merely enforcing its own antrust law.
Your ignorance is amazing. The EU didn't even start the whole thing. Someone else reported Microsoft's crimes, and the EC started investigating.
Actually, someone else reported Microsoft's crimes to the EU, and the EC started investigating the report. But hey, keep it up, redneck.
Actually, Microsoft has been violating competition law to this day.
So what you are saying that breaking the law should have no consequences?
Genius? Why?
Those are not "W3 browser shares". They are the browser share on one specific site, w3schools.com, which does not in anyway represent the W3C.
Not when MS broke the law. It's not like Microsoft is the only company to have to bundle competitors due to their own predatory practices. You are clearly rather ignorant and bigoted.
So the main goal is to punish those who reported the crime, not the criminal? Amazing. By the way, why aren't you arguing that Microsoft should be punished for filing antitrust complaints against Google? Surely if reporting violations of competition law is a terrible thing to do, it must be as bad when Microsoft does it? Or are you just another fucking hypcrite?
That isn't a browser. It's an IE shell.
No. Each browser should, at a minimum, have its own engine. While Chrome is based on WebKit, it's distributed as a separate engine, and V8 is Google's creation. So IE, Firefox, Opera, Safari and Chrome would be bundled. The EU said the number of bundled browsers would be 5, and all of the top 5 browsers in Europe are standalone browsers and not just shells.
I don't get why you Microsoft fanboys are so keen on "punishing" someone (who?) for Microsoft breaking the law, and being forced to accept the consequences of its violations. It's hilarious to see you whine and bitch and try to come up with ways Microsoft could make itself look even more foolish.
Yeah, throw a childish hissy fit. That always works. You Microsoft fanboys are hilarious. If you had bothered to pay attention, you would have known that they will decide a specific number. 5 browsers has been mentioned as the most likely outcome. Now go cry and whine over the fact that Microsoft needs to face the consequences of its actions, ROTFL.
That's 30, and many of them aren't even browsers, just IE shells. At a minimum, any bundled browser should have its own engine.
Microsoft fully embraces European competition law. They have said so, and they showed it in action when they tried to use European competition law against Google by filing an antitrust complaint. It's hilarious that while Microsoft fully understands and accepts the law, ignorant MS fanboys are spewing their venom and having a childish hissy fit when Microsoft is caught breaking the law and must face the consequences of their actions.
As long as they follow the law, sure. But they broke the law. Even Microsoft realizes that breaking the law and getting caught has consequences. Only ignorant MS fanboys think otherwise.
Your whining is getting more and more desperate, Microsoft shill. You are still spreading the old lies and misconceptions others have corrected dozens of time over. Pathetic indeed.
On the contrary, Microsoft continues its violations to this day.
The rules of competition law, which Microsoft violated. Are you Microsoft employees really this ignorant about the basic facts of the case?
Not at all. Their violations of the law have continued to this day.
Yeah, but not because Microsoft isn't breaking the law and abusing the market, as Mozilla points out:
"When the only real competition comes from a not for profit open source organization that depends on volunteers for almost half of its work product and nearly all of its marketing and distribution, while more than half a dozen other "traditional" browser vendors with better than I.E. products have had near-zero success encroaching on Microsoft I.E.'s dominance, there's a demonstrable tilt to the playing field. That tilt comes with the distribution channel - default status for the OS bundled Web browser.
You are an idiot. Microsoft broke the law. Don't whine about laws being enforced by the government.
They are being "picked on" because they illegally abused their dominant position. Just like other criminals are being "picked on", poor things. Evil government, "picking on" innocent criminals like that.
Exactly. Microsoft is dominant. Apple and KDE are not. You anonymous Microsoft shills need to get that through your thick skulls.
They are not playing by the same rules as Apple. Microsoft is in a dominant position. Apple isn't.
So a government which enforces its own laws is a "petulant child", even when the US has the exact same laws? Good one, Microsoft shill.
The EU MAKES the law, dumbass.
You are just yet another bigoted, ignorant moron.
According to StatCounter, Opera is actually the #3 browser both in Europe (which is what matters) and globally. Oops! You just got owned.