Which is completely secondary to the Pirate Bay operation and most likely added by people to prove a point rather than for any practical reason.
Groundless assertions. There is a lot of completely legal stuff on the site. That's a fact. Your useless trolling and speculation that it's "just to prove a point" is completely retarded. Even I have used it to distribute stuff I created myself. Stop being a moron.
I think the Pirate Bay could have argued that they are innocent for those reasons. It seems like from what I've read their main argument was "we didn't host the content, we only used advertising revenues for hosting the links, so its not our fault."
Wrong. They explained the techy stuff at great lengths, explaining how they weren't publishing anything, how the users were the ones uploading torrents, and how the so-called evidence presented in court didn't even prove that the TPB tracker was used (due to other trackers often showing up, and peer exchange and such).
Merely disobeying the takedown notice is itself not a crime. But if the takedown notice was legit (i.e. the material in question was really distributed illegaly), but was ignored, then, yes, TPB is at fault. Basically, when you get told that something specific that you're doing is a crime, the ball is in your court to verify that this particular thing you're doing is alright
Actually, it is up to whoever claims that it is illegal to prove that it is, or take it to the police who can then investigate it and get a court order to take it down if needed.
Call the backwater US states what you will, they are still more civilized and law abiding than the majority of the world
That still doesn't mean that the DMCA applies to Sweden.
Sweden is one of the most highly civilized places on the planet, and the judge in their highly civilized court still decided on jail time.
In the lower courts. They will appeal. And the point is that if TPB is illegal, then so is the entire web.
Whether the defendants serve their year in comfy lockup, or spend more than a year in an onerous appeals process that they ultimately win, the judge has punished them either way.
Actually, they won't be doing any jail time. And if they win the appeal, they will have gained massive publicity for the site.
Are you saying that they don't know that it facilitates the copying of copyrighted materials?
That is irrelevant. They can't be expected to look into all the content on the site. Just like your ISP can't spy on all its customers just because it knows that some of them are bound to be breaking the law.
All the arguments you see on/. repeatedly duck the ethical issue
Wrong. There is no ethical issue here. The question is whether TPB broke the law or not. Is linking to links to content illegal? If so, the whole web is illegal.
He does not. The verdict was that they facilitated it for people making things available.
In real life, attitude is 99% of what matters
In court, what matters is whether you broke the law or not. If allowing people to post links to links, then the whole web is guilty.
The Pirate Bay couldn't get much more brazen in their attitude
Irrelevant. And their attitude was towards stupid American companies who thought the DMCA applied in the rest of the world.
Yes, Google facilitates torrent sharing just as much as TPB does, but at least it's just a side effect of their otherwise useful system, not their reason for being.
Irrelevant nonsense. TPB exists to allow people to upload torrents.
no, TPB just lets everybody hang big "signs" up telling where to get stuff
Wrong. TPB has walls where people can hang up signs. The TPB guys aren't hanging up any signs themselves, nor are they telling anyone what signs to hang up there.
If you know that specific crimes are being committed with the aid of your infrastructure, but refuse to do anything about that (see TPB responses to requests to remove specific torrents), then you're being complicit.
Actually, the TPB refused to remove content based on DMCAs, which have no value in Sweden what so ever. However, they will remove content based on a court order from a Swedish court. Exactly the way a Swedish ISP won't start pretending to be the police, but will require a court order to hand out any details (to the police) or disconnect a customer.
Google provides links to sites that provide links to torrent files.
Wrong. Google provides links directly to torrent files as well. Worse yet, Google provides links directly to copyrighted content (images, text, sound, etc.)!
It's The Pirate Bay because their stated mission is to facilitate the distribution of copyrighted material.
Source?
Google hasn't gone out of its way to thumb its nose at the powers that be
Actually, Google will go out of its way to thumb its nose at powers that have no authority over them. Just like the DMCA requests sent to TPB were useless because TPB isn't an American site, so you have to be completely retarded to attempt DMCA takedowns there. They will honor court orders from Swedish courts, though.
So, what are all the users of TPB considering doing to support the folks behind TPB
Keep using TPB, I guess. That's what the TPB guys want. They want more users.
Supporting them with money and such is useless. They will refuse to pay (Sunde said he'd rather burn money than give it to the Fascists). They will appeal anyway. This could take years.
Opera for Windows and Mac are not Qt. Opera for Linux is hardly Qt, except some dialogs and font handling. The whole UI is some internal Opera toolkit thingy.
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Groundless assertions. There is a lot of completely legal stuff on the site. That's a fact. Your useless trolling and speculation that it's "just to prove a point" is completely retarded. Even I have used it to distribute stuff I created myself. Stop being a moron.
Wrong. They explained the techy stuff at great lengths, explaining how they weren't publishing anything, how the users were the ones uploading torrents, and how the so-called evidence presented in court didn't even prove that the TPB tracker was used (due to other trackers often showing up, and peer exchange and such).
Actually, it is up to whoever claims that it is illegal to prove that it is, or take it to the police who can then investigate it and get a court order to take it down if needed.
You just admitted that TPB shouldn't be illegal. It can be used for legal content, and there is a lot of it on the site.
That still doesn't mean that the DMCA applies to Sweden.
In the lower courts. They will appeal. And the point is that if TPB is illegal, then so is the entire web.
Actually, they won't be doing any jail time. And if they win the appeal, they will have gained massive publicity for the site.
That assertion again. They told no one what to upload. The site contained all sorts of content.
Ah yes, pointless speculation to support your groundless assertion.
No, they made fun of idiot Americans who thought the DMCA had any relevance outside the US.
That is irrelevant. They can't be expected to look into all the content on the site. Just like your ISP can't spy on all its customers just because it knows that some of them are bound to be breaking the law.
And, just to be clear on this, TPB is NOT subject to U.S. laws, so the DMCA has no authority over Swedish individuals, organizations and companies.
And you know this to be the case in Swedish courts?
Wrong. There is no ethical issue here. The question is whether TPB broke the law or not. Is linking to links to content illegal? If so, the whole web is illegal.
Blatant lie. The site lets you upload torrents for anything and everything. TPB doesn't tell people to upload illegal stuff.
Groundless assertion. Rejected.
He does not. The verdict was that they facilitated it for people making things available.
In court, what matters is whether you broke the law or not. If allowing people to post links to links, then the whole web is guilty.
Irrelevant. And their attitude was towards stupid American companies who thought the DMCA applied in the rest of the world.
Irrelevant nonsense. TPB exists to allow people to upload torrents.
Wrong. TPB has walls where people can hang up signs. The TPB guys aren't hanging up any signs themselves, nor are they telling anyone what signs to hang up there.
Goole does worse. It actually links directly to masses of illegal content. TPB just links to links that point to stuff.
Actually, the TPB refused to remove content based on DMCAs, which have no value in Sweden what so ever. However, they will remove content based on a court order from a Swedish court. Exactly the way a Swedish ISP won't start pretending to be the police, but will require a court order to hand out any details (to the police) or disconnect a customer.
Wrong. Google provides links directly to torrent files as well. Worse yet, Google provides links directly to copyrighted content (images, text, sound, etc.)!
Source?
Actually, Google will go out of its way to thumb its nose at powers that have no authority over them. Just like the DMCA requests sent to TPB were useless because TPB isn't an American site, so you have to be completely retarded to attempt DMCA takedowns there. They will honor court orders from Swedish courts, though.
Huh? Using TPB isn't illegal. You can download lots of completely legal stuff from there.
Keep using TPB, I guess. That's what the TPB guys want. They want more users.
Supporting them with money and such is useless. They will refuse to pay (Sunde said he'd rather burn money than give it to the Fascists). They will appeal anyway. This could take years.
That has not necessarily been determined yet. The jurors were lay people. The TPB guys will appeal to higher courts.
Irrelevant. TPB isn't just for copyrighted content.
The minimum requirement IS Windows 95. You need Windows 95 or newer to run Opera. Opera runs on Windows 95.
It's interesting, then, that most popular Firefox extensions emulate Opera features... So apparently, Opera's features are useful indeed.
Opera for Windows and Mac are not Qt. Opera for Linux is hardly Qt, except some dialogs and font handling. The whole UI is some internal Opera toolkit thingy.
That image shows people promoting some site that's selling stuff, not ads from Apple itself.
FUD alert.