The "group of people" is almost 300 million strong, so, yeah... I let them define it for me. They call themselves patriots, then that's patriotism. Anytime nationalism, or patriotism, enters a conversation, then I pretty much see it how it's defined on the global stage... "One nation, under God, on top of everyone else".
Main Entry: patriotism
Function: noun
: love for or devotion to one's countryMain Entry: nationalism
Function: noun
1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
Yeah... I totally got those confused.... I have not seen a distinction, since most nationalists describe themselves as "patriots", in an effort to disgrace those who disagree with them as "hating their country". It's the offended nationalists who offer arguments such as you have done. Patriotism, how you describe it, is all well and good... pride in your country. Living in the States and being devoted to France doesn't make much sense (and in many cases, would get you beaten up). When a country is so good that it is worthy of devotion, I'll describe myself as a patriot.
No nation can exist without patriotism- it takes a patriot to give up their life to protect a country from invasion. Laws cannot exist without patriots.
Closing your eyes, covering your ears, and chanting "la la la la" is not a way to argue. I am wholly not a patriot, and yet I would give my life to defend not my country, but my family, from an invasion. Laws can exist without patriotism, because anyone with a sense of morals and ethics can make, approve, and pass laws, as well as enforce them.
All empires are founded on religious persecution and civil war. There has never been an empire that wasn't.
Empires are founded largely on religious groups coalescing, to defend themselves from neighboring empires, this is true, but not CIVIL war. Civil wars happen when an empire becomes too divided within itself, and it has rarely 'founded' a nation. Secession would be a much more practical way to do it, and has historically worked better than decaying from inside until war is inevitable.
I said outlaw DOLLARS, not money. The key is to create a stable money supply at home first using NATIVE currency, not US dollars.
You said to outlaw dollars, not US dollars. And why would they outlaw US dollars? Take the US dollars, by all means, when they offer them! Knock yourselves out! I'm just saying that many countries would be better to keep those dollars within their own borders, than to send them out and screw with other nations economies (see: Cuba.)
I'm arguing for the side of local trade and banning foreign trade.
So am I...
Without patriotism the United States would not exist
Interestingly faulty logic. The United States could exist just fine without patriotism, if it replaced it with a shred of common sense.
British Empire- who were invading the "Developing world" long before the United States was a country.
Exactly. One of the other empires which declared independence could have done an excellent job. One not founded on religious persecution and civil war.
There's nothing keeping them from doing it today if they were so inclined. The first step is to outlaw the use of dollars in your country.
Why would they outlaw money in their own country? I'm having trouble following your argument, and knowing exactly what side you're arguing for...
Ok, so.... you still haven't explained where patriotism comes into play, or if the world would, in fact, have been better off if the United States had not economically raped and corrupted the many developing nations that would have, instead, provided the world with a stable money supply.
I'm glad that profit means more to me than patriotism, because patriotism is one of the greatest evils perpetuated in the world (profit is still a great evil, but behind patriotism by a few places!)
"He is a poor patriot whose patriotism does not enable him to understand how all men everywhere feel about their altars and their hearthstones, their flag and their fatherland." --Harry Emerson Fosdick
"'My country, right or wrong' is a thing that no true patriot would think of saying, except in a desperate case. It is like saying, 'My mother, drunk or sober'." - Gilbert Keith Chesterton
Spock: Captain, detecting HoYay at a distance of 4.3 parsecs, rapidly closing.
Kirk: Scotty, give me more thrust!
Scott: I'm giving ye all the thrust I've got, Cap'n. If I give you any more, we'll blow!
... it's so much EASIER to make a game that everyone will dislike, than one which 10% will love and 90% will outright hate! It's a fine line between fandom and idiocy, so the game-makers straddle it equally.
Because we don't want to get out there and do it, just like don't want to spend money on social programs when you could buy F-18's. Your country made choices, our country made choices.
News for Nerds. Nerds are, by definition, people who's lives are centrally based around technology and science. Politicians are, by definition, people who decide what other people should think about and be concerned with, freeing people up from the need to think for themselves. Nerds have traditionally been sort of against that.
Stuff that Matters. Perhaps the government that runs the nation you live in, and it's constant efforts to spread dissent and fear throughout the world falls under this category, and perhaps not. But it's there, for you to make the decision about, to read or not read. You chose to read, and you choce to comment, and so this article has fulfilled it's mission...
"I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. "I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!"
"And I knew Bill Clinton became one of the boys when he bombed Iraq. Remember that? It was just a little news story for two days, isn't that interesting? He launched 22 cruise missiles against Baghdad in retalliation for the alleged assassination attempt against George Bush, which failed. We killed six innocent people, launching twenty two, I think three million dollars-a-piece missles on Baghdad, killing six innocent people. Umm... I think that's a little bit overdoing it if you ask me. What we should have done is embarrass the Iraqis. And here's how we should have done it: We should have assassinated Bush ourselves. "There, that's how you do it, towel heads. Don't fuck with us." And see, if it had been Bush who had died, there would have been no loss of innocent life."
You wanna stop the War on Terror? Listen to Saint William Hicks.
The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid ever, because this is just a ride." And we... kill those people. "Shut him up. We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because - it's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.
Good comeback... denial without explanation. The internet equivalent of closing your eyes, putting your hands over your ears, and chanting the theme sont to Gilligans Island.
I'm not American, and it's important to me. I also think it's important to China and India, and their various relations with the US and the Middle East, as well as the EU that's backing the invasion, and lastly, important to the Middle East itself, which is currently being filled with holes courtesy of foreign-made M-16's.
Well, certainly not shows like "The O'Reilly Factor", or anything on CNN or Headline News, which should all basically be renamed the BFN, or Bush Fanwank Network. I watch local news, I watch national cable news (Canadian), and I read the BBC.com website. And, of course, Jon Stewart.
Because every channel on Television except for The Comedy Network is right-wing propaganda. There's nowhere else left for us to talk about this sort of thing, except the Intertubes.
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The "group of people" is almost 300 million strong, so, yeah... I let them define it for me. They call themselves patriots, then that's patriotism. Anytime nationalism, or patriotism, enters a conversation, then I pretty much see it how it's defined on the global stage... "One nation, under God, on top of everyone else".
Main Entry: patriotism Function: noun : love for or devotion to one's country Main Entry: nationalism Function: noun 1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
Yeah... I totally got those confused.... I have not seen a distinction, since most nationalists describe themselves as "patriots", in an effort to disgrace those who disagree with them as "hating their country". It's the offended nationalists who offer arguments such as you have done. Patriotism, how you describe it, is all well and good... pride in your country. Living in the States and being devoted to France doesn't make much sense (and in many cases, would get you beaten up). When a country is so good that it is worthy of devotion, I'll describe myself as a patriot.
Closing your eyes, covering your ears, and chanting "la la la la" is not a way to argue. I am wholly not a patriot, and yet I would give my life to defend not my country, but my family, from an invasion. Laws can exist without patriotism, because anyone with a sense of morals and ethics can make, approve, and pass laws, as well as enforce them.
All empires are founded on religious persecution and civil war. There has never been an empire that wasn't.
Empires are founded largely on religious groups coalescing, to defend themselves from neighboring empires, this is true, but not CIVIL war. Civil wars happen when an empire becomes too divided within itself, and it has rarely 'founded' a nation. Secession would be a much more practical way to do it, and has historically worked better than decaying from inside until war is inevitable.
I said outlaw DOLLARS, not money. The key is to create a stable money supply at home first using NATIVE currency, not US dollars.
You said to outlaw dollars, not US dollars. And why would they outlaw US dollars? Take the US dollars, by all means, when they offer them! Knock yourselves out! I'm just saying that many countries would be better to keep those dollars within their own borders, than to send them out and screw with other nations economies (see: Cuba.)
I'm arguing for the side of local trade and banning foreign trade. So am I...
Interestingly faulty logic. The United States could exist just fine without patriotism, if it replaced it with a shred of common sense.
British Empire- who were invading the "Developing world" long before the United States was a country.
Exactly. One of the other empires which declared independence could have done an excellent job. One not founded on religious persecution and civil war.
There's nothing keeping them from doing it today if they were so inclined. The first step is to outlaw the use of dollars in your country.
Why would they outlaw money in their own country? I'm having trouble following your argument, and knowing exactly what side you're arguing for...
Ok, so.... you still haven't explained where patriotism comes into play, or if the world would, in fact, have been better off if the United States had not economically raped and corrupted the many developing nations that would have, instead, provided the world with a stable money supply.
Oh, I gotta hear the explanation for that logic....
"He is a poor patriot whose patriotism does not enable him to understand how all men everywhere feel about their altars and their hearthstones, their flag and their fatherland." --Harry Emerson Fosdick
"'My country, right or wrong' is a thing that no true patriot would think of saying, except in a desperate case. It is like saying, 'My mother, drunk or sober'." - Gilbert Keith Chesterton
Well, that's important. Americans are good at lesser skills.
Spock: Captain, detecting HoYay at a distance of 4.3 parsecs, rapidly closing. Kirk: Scotty, give me more thrust! Scott: I'm giving ye all the thrust I've got, Cap'n. If I give you any more, we'll blow!
... it's so much EASIER to make a game that everyone will dislike, than one which 10% will love and 90% will outright hate! It's a fine line between fandom and idiocy, so the game-makers straddle it equally.
The sky is blue, too!
Because we don't want to get out there and do it, just like don't want to spend money on social programs when you could buy F-18's. Your country made choices, our country made choices.
The Democratic party is centrally-located on the Politicometer. I'm a left-winger, and as such, wouldn't vote Democrat.
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News for Nerds. Stuff that matters.
To quote MC Hawking, let's break it down:
News for Nerds. Nerds are, by definition, people who's lives are centrally based around technology and science. Politicians are, by definition, people who decide what other people should think about and be concerned with, freeing people up from the need to think for themselves. Nerds have traditionally been sort of against that.
Stuff that Matters. Perhaps the government that runs the nation you live in, and it's constant efforts to spread dissent and fear throughout the world falls under this category, and perhaps not. But it's there, for you to make the decision about, to read or not read. You chose to read, and you choce to comment, and so this article has fulfilled it's mission...
It made you think.
Also their pure American bloodlines... sorry, "inbreeding".
"I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. "I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!"
"And I knew Bill Clinton became one of the boys when he bombed Iraq. Remember that? It was just a little news story for two days, isn't that interesting? He launched 22 cruise missiles against Baghdad in retalliation for the alleged assassination attempt against George Bush, which failed. We killed six innocent people, launching twenty two, I think three million dollars-a-piece missles on Baghdad, killing six innocent people. Umm ... I think that's a little bit overdoing it if you ask me. What we should have done is embarrass the Iraqis. And here's how we should have done it: We should have assassinated Bush ourselves. "There, that's how you do it, towel heads. Don't fuck with us." And see, if it had been Bush who had died, there would have been no loss of innocent life."
Ditto.... still, I envy you. Your life must be astoundingly rich and fulfilling for you to not have enough time to sign up for an account.
Please, that was written, like, two hundred years before Lord Bush's reign, it clearly has no relevance here.
The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid ever, because this is just a ride." And we ... kill those people. "Shut him up. We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because - it's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.
Good comeback... denial without explanation. The internet equivalent of closing your eyes, putting your hands over your ears, and chanting the theme sont to Gilligans Island.
Careful... I got banned from NPF for saying true things about Americans. They hate that.
I'm not American, and it's important to me. I also think it's important to China and India, and their various relations with the US and the Middle East, as well as the EU that's backing the invasion, and lastly, important to the Middle East itself, which is currently being filled with holes courtesy of foreign-made M-16's.
Well, certainly not shows like "The O'Reilly Factor", or anything on CNN or Headline News, which should all basically be renamed the BFN, or Bush Fanwank Network. I watch local news, I watch national cable news (Canadian), and I read the BBC.com website. And, of course, Jon Stewart.
Because every channel on Television except for The Comedy Network is right-wing propaganda. There's nowhere else left for us to talk about this sort of thing, except the Intertubes.
Congress always ends sessions.
Republicans resigning over sex scandals is like me getting coffee in the mornings, you just EXPECT it.
But Bush doing something Unconstitutional? That's NEWS!