This is true for civil, but I didn't learn everything I needed from building that house... actually, to date, I have not designed a single wood-framed house. However, it did teach me a lot, and being a co-op or an intern on a single civil job would teach you a TREMENDOUS amount of practical information that the classroom just can't capture.
True, the four-year civil course probably covers more than the civil section of my three-year course (I've designed a couple of simple roads, really nothing more than following some basic equations, then getting cut-fill vols for the subs).
Physicians aren't expected to go into surgery, that's right... but physicians are not engineers, and your comparison is a little vapid. However, physicians have cop-op training, residencies, internships, and so forth, which give them the practical hands-on experience that they need.
I graduated the EDDT (Engineering Design and Drafting Technology) course at TRU, and so far I have not done ONE thing that have been trained to do there. Sure, I've got a skill base, but I have to find a job within those parameters, and then I have to learn almost everything about that job, before I can be halfway competent.
Know what I learned the most doing in that course (as well as several people in my class?) The summer between first and second years, I helped build a 3000 sq.ft. house. I got on as a laborer, and I got some people in my class jobs there, too. We learned far, far more about house construction by getting a minimum-wage hammer-throwing job than three courses costing in the thousands of dollars.
Enginnering courses (particularly civil and building) NEED apprenticeship / co-op / hands-on approaches, because I know a lot of ythe people in my class got jobs.... and I don't want to live in anything they designed.
I am explaining that it would prevent navies from "projecting power" against other coastlines, IE, certain Middle Eastern gulfs, East Asian nations, and so forth. I know there would still be a use for navies, but these guns would start to herald the end of the "titanic gunship", which could now be holed from quite a considerable distance.
Still, you've made the only good point here so far, and there would still be a use for navies on the open ocean.
Please see every other comment about how they would be firing semi-intelligent fin-guided projectiles, able to make considerable course corrections over a distance of 200 miles, and let's face it, the USS Ronald Reagen ain't exactly taking any hair-pin turns here.
Come on, if you could fire a projectile 200 miles, you could just mount these on coastlines, serviced by ground-based power plants. True, it wouldn't replace navies ENTIRELY, but it would suddenly become extremely UN-economical to have one with even the slightest capability to get near a shoreline. Pushing back aircraft carriers 200 miles would severely reduce the flight time of the planes, which now have to fly a lot farther just to get to the coastline, let alone targets inside countries.
On the plus side, land-locked countries can now hunt whales for food.:)
I checked out some profiles from the group of my local town... it brought Firefox to it's knees, and then did naughty, naughty things to it. True, they were mostly high school kids, I figure (not many people in my town are computer literate over the age of 20), but still... come on, people. Have some pride in your appearance.
If that is true (and I hope for the future of the species that it's not), then they really, REALLY need to be shown alternatives.
Are you telling me that they purposefully go out of their way to make awful, cluttered, unreadable MySpace pages, where the graphics and the links to not match up, where some buttons are just impossible to press, with thumping rap music? Think of it as being a good Samaritan, and showing these people... a better way.
Just an idea, though. As long as they don't bug me (and thankfully, I don't know ANYONE who seems to like MySpace), I really don't care all that much.
Maybe if people were given a way to make an attractive and functional MySpace page without resorting to pink twinkly "This Space Pimped With Rogers SpacePimper" graphics and thirty megs of site garbage, they'd stop pimping and start primping.
And don't forget all the women with basketball-sized boobs. There's, like, a million of them on there... many of them look EXACTLY the same, too! Who needs porn, just spend five minutes on MySpace down at your local elementary school.
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... but apparently Tom has enough friends.
Seriously, I had a look at a few pages, and when I eventually managed to CTRL-ALT-DELETE my browser into submission, I made damn well sure never to go back there. Are there people that actually have enough computing power to handle some of those profiles?
On the other hand, it's not like they're not messing with the content NOW. When was the last time you saw a fair, balanced, objective discussion about abortion or gay marriage on television (outside of The Comedy Network, of course).
It's sort of sad that we need a government decree to get people to talk about things in a fair, balanced manner, but unfortunately, people are only humans, and humans, as a group, simply cannot be trusted.
Anyone remember the old Iraqi intelligence network during the 1990's?
CNN, people.
Did CNN get shut down? No, they insisted on more embedded reporters, and they got it. I think that the American Military Hydra (seven heads, one brain) is looking for pre-emptive scapegoating here.
You don't believe Europe had two world wars? Hating Americans doesn't get me laid at local pub... it doesn't get me anything. If I had my way, I wouldn't hate them... but they have to give me a reason first.
Theoretically I agree with you, but shouting truths at 300 million deaf people is just wasted effort. I agree the definitions SHOULD be truth, but, as the saying goes:
In theory, theory is like practice. In practice, practice is not like theory.
Or, to borrow from Robert Jordan:
Should and wood won't build bridges.
300 millions wrongs SHOULDN'T equal one right, but.... they pretty much do. In practice. Popular SHOULDN'T equal correct, but it does... in practice. Until patriots change, I am will not call myself patriotic.
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True, the four-year civil course probably covers more than the civil section of my three-year course (I've designed a couple of simple roads, really nothing more than following some basic equations, then getting cut-fill vols for the subs).
Physicians aren't expected to go into surgery, that's right... but physicians are not engineers, and your comparison is a little vapid. However, physicians have cop-op training, residencies, internships, and so forth, which give them the practical hands-on experience that they need.
I missed a single-lettered pronoun. Lick me.
I graduated the EDDT (Engineering Design and Drafting Technology) course at TRU, and so far I have not done ONE thing that have been trained to do there. Sure, I've got a skill base, but I have to find a job within those parameters, and then I have to learn almost everything about that job, before I can be halfway competent.
Know what I learned the most doing in that course (as well as several people in my class?) The summer between first and second years, I helped build a 3000 sq.ft. house. I got on as a laborer, and I got some people in my class jobs there, too. We learned far, far more about house construction by getting a minimum-wage hammer-throwing job than three courses costing in the thousands of dollars.
Enginnering courses (particularly civil and building) NEED apprenticeship / co-op / hands-on approaches, because I know a lot of ythe people in my class got jobs.... and I don't want to live in anything they designed.
I forgot. Once a technology is invented, other countries certainly won't be able to figure it out....
I am explaining that it would prevent navies from "projecting power" against other coastlines, IE, certain Middle Eastern gulfs, East Asian nations, and so forth. I know there would still be a use for navies, but these guns would start to herald the end of the "titanic gunship", which could now be holed from quite a considerable distance.
Still, you've made the only good point here so far, and there would still be a use for navies on the open ocean.
Please see my post, where I said "it wouldn't replace Navies ENTIRELY...", because I think you missed that line.
Please see every other comment about how they would be firing semi-intelligent fin-guided projectiles, able to make considerable course corrections over a distance of 200 miles, and let's face it, the USS Ronald Reagen ain't exactly taking any hair-pin turns here.
Come on, if you could fire a projectile 200 miles, you could just mount these on coastlines, serviced by ground-based power plants. True, it wouldn't replace navies ENTIRELY, but it would suddenly become extremely UN-economical to have one with even the slightest capability to get near a shoreline. Pushing back aircraft carriers 200 miles would severely reduce the flight time of the planes, which now have to fly a lot farther just to get to the coastline, let alone targets inside countries.
On the plus side, land-locked countries can now hunt whales for food. :)
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Oh, if only that was the point that I had made in my original post...
Most of my rant is just on the billions of websites with no redeeming value there.
Giggity!
What's "noscript"?
I checked out some profiles from the group of my local town... it brought Firefox to it's knees, and then did naughty, naughty things to it. True, they were mostly high school kids, I figure (not many people in my town are computer literate over the age of 20), but still... come on, people. Have some pride in your appearance.
*weep*
It does, but not when it's MySpace-clogged. I have to use OS-level controls (CTRL-ALT-DEL) to stop it.
Are you telling me that they purposefully go out of their way to make awful, cluttered, unreadable MySpace pages, where the graphics and the links to not match up, where some buttons are just impossible to press, with thumping rap music? Think of it as being a good Samaritan, and showing these people... a better way.
Just an idea, though. As long as they don't bug me (and thankfully, I don't know ANYONE who seems to like MySpace), I really don't care all that much.
Maybe if people were given a way to make an attractive and functional MySpace page without resorting to pink twinkly "This Space Pimped With Rogers SpacePimper" graphics and thirty megs of site garbage, they'd stop pimping and start primping.
And don't forget all the women with basketball-sized boobs. There's, like, a million of them on there... many of them look EXACTLY the same, too! Who needs porn, just spend five minutes on MySpace down at your local elementary school.
Seriously, I had a look at a few pages, and when I eventually managed to CTRL-ALT-DELETE my browser into submission, I made damn well sure never to go back there. Are there people that actually have enough computing power to handle some of those profiles?
It's sort of sad that we need a government decree to get people to talk about things in a fair, balanced manner, but unfortunately, people are only humans, and humans, as a group, simply cannot be trusted.
CNN, people.
Did CNN get shut down? No, they insisted on more embedded reporters, and they got it. I think that the American Military Hydra (seven heads, one brain) is looking for pre-emptive scapegoating here.
Mod parent up, big time.
THANK you! :)
You don't believe Europe had two world wars? Hating Americans doesn't get me laid at local pub... it doesn't get me anything. If I had my way, I wouldn't hate them... but they have to give me a reason first.
In theory, theory is like practice. In practice, practice is not like theory.
Or, to borrow from Robert Jordan:
Should and wood won't build bridges.
300 millions wrongs SHOULDN'T equal one right, but.... they pretty much do. In practice. Popular SHOULDN'T equal correct, but it does... in practice. Until patriots change, I am will not call myself patriotic.