I agree that it's great to see Debian-based distros get some press, but what about Debian? I recently put Ubuntu Breezy on my portable, expecting great advantages over Debian Sid, and was greatly disappointed. Instead of drastic improvements, I was stifled by not having immediate access to my "Run Application" button in Gnome, not being able to see kernel-loading messages, not being able to access the Login Manager in GDM, and in general not finding any improvements beyond the current state of Debian.
I'm not saying I don't like Ubuntu. It's still on my portable (just barely). All I'm saying is it's certainly not any better than Debian Unstable, and, IMHO, it's not a replacement. Call me a fool for Debian, but I wouldn't trade it for the world =) How about instead of putting Ubuntu up against a bunch of RPM-based distributions, you throw Debian itself in the mix there and see how it fares? Again, just my opinion...
The University of Wisconsin is doing some pretty major research on this topic, and I believe it to be leading research in the field right now. The central location for public information on the topic at the UW is here.
I guess I should consider myself lucky. I attend the University of Wisconsin, where Unix/Linux servers outnumber windows servers more than 5 to 1. There is a similar statistic for lab computers. All CS students are obligated to learn Unix by the time they get to CS 352, with hundreds of Unix tutorial classes along the way. It doesn't stop there, most CS professors have written "handin" bash scripts to allow students to hand in assignments by ssh'ing in to 1 of the 50 available tux (Red Hat 7.2) servers or 1 of the over 100 available nova servers set aside just for CS students to use to do assignments. It's quite humorous to me to hear that the prognosis isn't very good, because on this campus of over 40,000 students, you can walk around all day and not see one start menu. If M$ was trying to buy our CS department, I think I can safely say they have long since given up, because the only progression this campus is making is from Sun to Red Hat. Life is good...
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I agree that it's great to see Debian-based distros get some press, but what about Debian? I recently put Ubuntu Breezy on my portable, expecting great advantages over Debian Sid, and was greatly disappointed. Instead of drastic improvements, I was stifled by not having immediate access to my "Run Application" button in Gnome, not being able to see kernel-loading messages, not being able to access the Login Manager in GDM, and in general not finding any improvements beyond the current state of Debian. I'm not saying I don't like Ubuntu. It's still on my portable (just barely). All I'm saying is it's certainly not any better than Debian Unstable, and, IMHO, it's not a replacement. Call me a fool for Debian, but I wouldn't trade it for the world =) How about instead of putting Ubuntu up against a bunch of RPM-based distributions, you throw Debian itself in the mix there and see how it fares? Again, just my opinion...
The University of Wisconsin is doing some pretty major research on this topic, and I believe it to be leading research in the field right now. The central location for public information on the topic at the UW is here.
I refuse to go to another LAN party 'til Duke Forever comes out, or as some might say, 'til Hell freezes over.
I guess I should consider myself lucky. I attend the University of Wisconsin, where Unix/Linux servers outnumber windows servers more than 5 to 1. There is a similar statistic for lab computers. All CS students are obligated to learn Unix by the time they get to CS 352, with hundreds of Unix tutorial classes along the way. It doesn't stop there, most CS professors have written "handin" bash scripts to allow students to hand in assignments by ssh'ing in to 1 of the 50 available tux (Red Hat 7.2) servers or 1 of the over 100 available nova servers set aside just for CS students to use to do assignments. It's quite humorous to me to hear that the prognosis isn't very good, because on this campus of over 40,000 students, you can walk around all day and not see one start menu. If M$ was trying to buy our CS department, I think I can safely say they have long since given up, because the only progression this campus is making is from Sun to Red Hat. Life is good...