If this goes through here's what I'm going to do: make suggestions wherever there is a receptive venue to restore a functioning public domain. If regulation such as this actually does go through and all those pipes (heheh) are suddenly sitting there underutilized, well, they need something else to fill them back up! Starting with restoring a sane public domain would be a poetic way to accomplish this! Say everything 20 years and older is the target to be public domain. So, any movie, music, book, and software from 1990 and back right now. ISP's who would suddenly be looking at a drought of demand for their infrastructure would probably be receptive to such a proposal. Mom and Pop who suddenly found they couldn't download the latest pop song would also probably be receptive to the idea at least out of a sense of revenge. Seriously if it's going to be class warfare then throw a little corporate warfare into the mix: pit ISP's against content industries. At the very least I could be a little smug. And if it doesn't work, get all your friends and family to move to the really cheap ISP plan which is all they'll actually and reasonably need in this new corporate dawn. ISP's are the ones set to lose the biggest in this, all the more reason to give them ideas as much as possible.
You know what, people should prod their ISP's to start looking into restoring a functioning public domain: it would be a great way for ISP's to sell more bandwidth if we could all download those 1980's movies. You know, the ones like Conan and such with the Governator. *THAT* would be a great way to increase bandwidth utilization considering if this goes through it won't be needed for anything else.
I vigorously disagree. I do believe in ignosticism. The vast majority of issues relating to religion need to put aside until a definition of God is proposed to test. In a pantheistic view, well God is the Universe and we are but figments in it's imagination. You miss the issue of an incomplete physics. Until physics is complete, if ever, then the true existence of whether or not there is a God is undefined - neither true nor false - because without knowing exactly the origin of our Universe all explanations are "it's turtles all the way down." No matter the language they are dressed up in.
Read: This, you'll love it. It's from: Code of the Lifemaker. That book takes evolutionary principles and applies it to machines that replicate imperfectly. After a process of a few million years humans meet these machines inadvertently. The substrate for these machines is absolutely not organic molecules yet they are in the logical sense undeniably alive.
The older I get the more I wonder about the relationships in our Universe. Now, it may just be cognitive cob-webs but who is to actually say that God is not waiting for us beyond the last theorem? Physics is not complete yet so isn't it hubris to proclaim that there is no God without a complete understanding of where our Universe came from? I am finding it more difficult to remain an atheist to the point that I have become an igtheist as I have gained more life experience. Just because most of what the world pushes on you as the concept of "God" is complete crap does not mean that "God" does not exist. The definition is where the meat lies. Perhaps someday physics will be complete assuming the incompletness theorem doesn't prevent that and we will know for sure. Until then, don't be so cock-eyed and smug in your "logical" denial.
What biologists tend to pidgeon-hole as "life" is a sub-set of the wider computational process' in our Universe. How do we get from obviously non-living molecules up to these wonderful structures we call people who morally appreciate beauty? Well, it's all compuation and the devil is in the details: see Figure 1 of The Computational Beauty of Nature. The book both begins and ends with that figure - to reinforce the relationships in the deepest depths of our Universe. The philosophy when scaled up to our noble and good level of reality works smoothly the entire way. Recognition that the Universe, Biology, and Evolution are all Computational is just taking time to work it's way through the teaching material.
Evolutionary principles have undeniably been implemented in computers. In those systems silicon is the ultimate substrate however they are a bit removed because the principles run in artificial realities.
In a rigid machine sense, yes. However consider the old term: Holarchy which are composed of holons. In that view parts and wholes are simultaneously each other. Parts can have properties of wholes and wholes can operate roughly the same as their parts. The terms pre-dated Fractals but do share quite a few similarities.
There is no "life", there is only cohesiveness over time. The magical attribute called "alive" does not actually exist anywhere in our Universe;) We just don't happen to fall apart for a while while we compute.
Evolution is a process, it applies equally well to many substrates. Organic molecules are one of the classes and many other phenomena can be described in evolutionary terms. If you go to an extreme you can say the all structures in our Universe are evolved with the loosest definition of Evolution as: "Change over time."
I prefer nodding my head, going along, working my way through the system. Then when the day comes that I can and understand it enough to not get caught, I sabotage it. Of course posting here I'll never get to do that in a dramatic fashion but I can inspire anonymous cowards can't I?!;)
It'll be too late for me then:( Buying a used 360 would be the way to go for having the exploit available then never update the system software. That would be a crapshoot however, by luck I'd probably buy a used 360 that *had* the update. A modchip would be *the* way to go about it but because they are associated with piracy mostly that would be difficult to come across. What I should do is hunt down and buy an original xbox, everything for those will be mature enough now that it should all just be automagic - or as close to that as it'll ever come;) Thank you again though there will always be options it just might not be easy finding them.
Thank you for the link! I will check it out. I can live without Live the only thing that worries me is if there are hardware modifications. Because you know someday I'm going to buy a game and that game it going to come with a systme update and that system update will brick my system. Once I replace my 360 with something better then it's all good, I'll just convert the hardware like you say with Free60. For now I'm trying to keep both my games and find a way to get functionality too.
If Microsoft put a "Boot Other OS" option in an Xbox 360 it would not magically get access to all the encrypted software that is included with one. I'm not asking to be able to cheat in or pirate games. I can boot another operating system on an Xbox 360 without doing either of those. Microsoft and other console makers are either conflating the issue or deliberately not clarifying it when it comes to tinkering. Preventing tinkering is a business decision not a technical one, that is the road to monopoly abuse. And if they go out of business, someone else will crop up: it is not a right to be in business forever simply because you are the incumbent. I'm against piracy, I wasn't always: I grew out of it. And I know for a fact that booting Linux on an Xbox 360 absolutely doesn't mean that you automatically get to pirate games. You would not have access to Microsoft's encrypted "DirectX" and system libraries once you were in Linux if they got anyone but a drunken monkey to code the "Boot Other OS" menu option. Now, business wise if Microsoft let you boot other operating systems, well, you might realize you don't need Windows on your PC anymore. That is a scary enough business realization to ever keep other operating systems away from Xbox hardware. My Xbox Computer is crippled for that reason.
I have a XP and a Vista license, the XP one is installed in VirtualBox right now. Never boot it. See above, you're right in this specific section but what I want Linux on my Xbox 360 for is not to create games per se in my case but rather to integrate it into the wider network of my home. Not something XNA was built for. Besides, the "right" to try your XNA code on your 360 is $150/year or so, yeah right.
Knowing it is a computer with a crippled OS I have every reasonable expectation that it can run Linux. I know it can, people have done it. What I am saying is that I am being artificially prevented from doing so. I own it and I resent being denied the right to solder a bright red LED onto it. It's mine. The structure of laws and agreements and who did what to whom dance around the issue. It's mine. I challenge the contract that I "signed" - shrink-wrap is now enforceable, it was still undecided last I knew? Microsoft is preventing me from using my XBox 360 in the way I want through bullshit. It's not about piracy its about them making money, I don't care if they make money: my device is fully capable of running Linux and they are lying with lies (well vs. truth anyway) to keep Linux or any other OS off of it for their business reasons. If that is not monopoly abuse now, it will be seen as so some day.
They provided me with the initial OS. A cabal of circumstances is preventing me from changing that. As long as something gives and I am able to legally change the OS, or rather supplement it so I don't lose functionality, then I'm happy. Preventing me after the fact says I don't own it even though I bought it.
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If this goes through here's what I'm going to do: make suggestions wherever there is a receptive venue to restore a functioning public domain. If regulation such as this actually does go through and all those pipes (heheh) are suddenly sitting there underutilized, well, they need something else to fill them back up! Starting with restoring a sane public domain would be a poetic way to accomplish this! Say everything 20 years and older is the target to be public domain. So, any movie, music, book, and software from 1990 and back right now. ISP's who would suddenly be looking at a drought of demand for their infrastructure would probably be receptive to such a proposal. Mom and Pop who suddenly found they couldn't download the latest pop song would also probably be receptive to the idea at least out of a sense of revenge. Seriously if it's going to be class warfare then throw a little corporate warfare into the mix: pit ISP's against content industries. At the very least I could be a little smug. And if it doesn't work, get all your friends and family to move to the really cheap ISP plan which is all they'll actually and reasonably need in this new corporate dawn. ISP's are the ones set to lose the biggest in this, all the more reason to give them ideas as much as possible.
You know what, people should prod their ISP's to start looking into restoring a functioning public domain: it would be a great way for ISP's to sell more bandwidth if we could all download those 1980's movies. You know, the ones like Conan and such with the Governator. *THAT* would be a great way to increase bandwidth utilization considering if this goes through it won't be needed for anything else.
I vigorously disagree. I do believe in ignosticism. The vast majority of issues relating to religion need to put aside until a definition of God is proposed to test. In a pantheistic view, well God is the Universe and we are but figments in it's imagination. You miss the issue of an incomplete physics. Until physics is complete, if ever, then the true existence of whether or not there is a God is undefined - neither true nor false - because without knowing exactly the origin of our Universe all explanations are "it's turtles all the way down." No matter the language they are dressed up in.
I just love playing with Christians with Figure 1 ;) You should see how livid one I was interacting with became! Yeah, I'm going to hell.
Read: This, you'll love it. It's from: Code of the Lifemaker. That book takes evolutionary principles and applies it to machines that replicate imperfectly. After a process of a few million years humans meet these machines inadvertently. The substrate for these machines is absolutely not organic molecules yet they are in the logical sense undeniably alive.
Pick up the book sometime, it is *very* dense with the math. Perhaps the MIT Press part didn't give it away?
The older I get the more I wonder about the relationships in our Universe. Now, it may just be cognitive cob-webs but who is to actually say that God is not waiting for us beyond the last theorem? Physics is not complete yet so isn't it hubris to proclaim that there is no God without a complete understanding of where our Universe came from? I am finding it more difficult to remain an atheist to the point that I have become an igtheist as I have gained more life experience. Just because most of what the world pushes on you as the concept of "God" is complete crap does not mean that "God" does not exist. The definition is where the meat lies. Perhaps someday physics will be complete assuming the incompletness theorem doesn't prevent that and we will know for sure. Until then, don't be so cock-eyed and smug in your "logical" denial.
Damnit, I made a typo. Now I'm going to hell.
What biologists tend to pidgeon-hole as "life" is a sub-set of the wider computational process' in our Universe. How do we get from obviously non-living molecules up to these wonderful structures we call people who morally appreciate beauty? Well, it's all compuation and the devil is in the details: see Figure 1 of The Computational Beauty of Nature. The book both begins and ends with that figure - to reinforce the relationships in the deepest depths of our Universe. The philosophy when scaled up to our noble and good level of reality works smoothly the entire way. Recognition that the Universe, Biology, and Evolution are all Computational is just taking time to work it's way through the teaching material.
Where is the alive? Life is a process, not an attribute.
Evolutionary principles have undeniably been implemented in computers. In those systems silicon is the ultimate substrate however they are a bit removed because the principles run in artificial realities.
In a rigid machine sense, yes. However consider the old term: Holarchy which are composed of holons. In that view parts and wholes are simultaneously each other. Parts can have properties of wholes and wholes can operate roughly the same as their parts. The terms pre-dated Fractals but do share quite a few similarities.
There is no "life", there is only cohesiveness over time. The magical attribute called "alive" does not actually exist anywhere in our Universe ;) We just don't happen to fall apart for a while while we compute.
Evolution is a process, it applies equally well to many substrates. Organic molecules are one of the classes and many other phenomena can be described in evolutionary terms. If you go to an extreme you can say the all structures in our Universe are evolved with the loosest definition of Evolution as: "Change over time."
I'm trying for a +1 funny and some day I *will* get my +5 troll.
I prefer nodding my head, going along, working my way through the system. Then when the day comes that I can and understand it enough to not get caught, I sabotage it. Of course posting here I'll never get to do that in a dramatic fashion but I can inspire anonymous cowards can't I?! ;)
Thank you again! ;)
It'll be too late for me then :( Buying a used 360 would be the way to go for having the exploit available then never update the system software. That would be a crapshoot however, by luck I'd probably buy a used 360 that *had* the update. A modchip would be *the* way to go about it but because they are associated with piracy mostly that would be difficult to come across. What I should do is hunt down and buy an original xbox, everything for those will be mature enough now that it should all just be automagic - or as close to that as it'll ever come ;) Thank you again though there will always be options it just might not be easy finding them.
There's no point in having a word without another participant in the conversation.
Thank you for the link! I will check it out. I can live without Live the only thing that worries me is if there are hardware modifications. Because you know someday I'm going to buy a game and that game it going to come with a systme update and that system update will brick my system. Once I replace my 360 with something better then it's all good, I'll just convert the hardware like you say with Free60. For now I'm trying to keep both my games and find a way to get functionality too.
Trade. Microsoft doesn't have to be responsbile for writing a bootloader in exchange for repealing the DMCA so I can buy a modchip. Fair?
If Microsoft put a "Boot Other OS" option in an Xbox 360 it would not magically get access to all the encrypted software that is included with one. I'm not asking to be able to cheat in or pirate games. I can boot another operating system on an Xbox 360 without doing either of those. Microsoft and other console makers are either conflating the issue or deliberately not clarifying it when it comes to tinkering. Preventing tinkering is a business decision not a technical one, that is the road to monopoly abuse. And if they go out of business, someone else will crop up: it is not a right to be in business forever simply because you are the incumbent. I'm against piracy, I wasn't always: I grew out of it. And I know for a fact that booting Linux on an Xbox 360 absolutely doesn't mean that you automatically get to pirate games. You would not have access to Microsoft's encrypted "DirectX" and system libraries once you were in Linux if they got anyone but a drunken monkey to code the "Boot Other OS" menu option. Now, business wise if Microsoft let you boot other operating systems, well, you might realize you don't need Windows on your PC anymore. That is a scary enough business realization to ever keep other operating systems away from Xbox hardware. My Xbox Computer is crippled for that reason.
I have a XP and a Vista license, the XP one is installed in VirtualBox right now. Never boot it. See above, you're right in this specific section but what I want Linux on my Xbox 360 for is not to create games per se in my case but rather to integrate it into the wider network of my home. Not something XNA was built for. Besides, the "right" to try your XNA code on your 360 is $150/year or so, yeah right.
Knowing it is a computer with a crippled OS I have every reasonable expectation that it can run Linux. I know it can, people have done it. What I am saying is that I am being artificially prevented from doing so. I own it and I resent being denied the right to solder a bright red LED onto it. It's mine. The structure of laws and agreements and who did what to whom dance around the issue. It's mine. I challenge the contract that I "signed" - shrink-wrap is now enforceable, it was still undecided last I knew? Microsoft is preventing me from using my XBox 360 in the way I want through bullshit. It's not about piracy its about them making money, I don't care if they make money: my device is fully capable of running Linux and they are lying with lies (well vs. truth anyway) to keep Linux or any other OS off of it for their business reasons. If that is not monopoly abuse now, it will be seen as so some day.
They provided me with the initial OS. A cabal of circumstances is preventing me from changing that. As long as something gives and I am able to legally change the OS, or rather supplement it so I don't lose functionality, then I'm happy. Preventing me after the fact says I don't own it even though I bought it.