Sigh. I wish someone would talk about this. With this structure you trade off centralization for bandwidth. You as the instigator do not know where it will end up. However, once it gets there the consensus as a whole will be more robust than any individual could have managed with their singular mindset. All you need is a minimum mass and a variable number of distinct positions to play against each other. Doesn't hurt to have a stimulus pissing everyone off too.
Sorry, missed a line. For all the logistical support labels provide as a general group they collude to keep prices high while lobbying incrementally to continually tip the scales a bit more in their favor. This is contrary to Mr. Smith's invisible hand. Overall it creates inefficiencies and this hidden cost is ultimately passed on to the purchaser. It is not free market, it does not promote innovation, they are self-serving, and when they are dismantled whatever rises to replace them will be better at least because it will be young and lean. Just because they are established does not mean they deserve status quo.
Case in point: I just asked a relative if they knew they were stealing by downloading that song through limewire. I got a confused look and a what? Ignorance is no defense before the law but when you get that it is a symptom that something is broken somewhere. Help me find it.
Now, I will give you this: I very well could be wrong in how I'm advocating going about setting the pressure aspect but I firmly believe that besides that the rest of that comment holds truth.
It's not just me there are literally millions of file-sharers and thats probably under-counting by an order of magnitude. The majority of these people probably don't examine too closely what they are doing so I'm playing proxy to generate wisdom to guide them. I'm taking an adversarial approach to the issue. Convince me completely and I will bend. If I have an inkling of doubt I will tow my line because I believe that passion produces better results.
I am hurting an artist right now by liberating content. This is to create pressure to imbalance the stranglehold current de-facto cartels have on the market. Once the parasitic conditions of the current copyright imbalance are corrected and a reasonable term is set before a work becomes public domain it will free up a well of creativity for a whole new generation. They will actually be able to draw from the rich mosaic to express themselves with glory. Once fair terms are recognized in copyright an actual deal that is not my take all that you can eat approach can be established. You can look someone straight in the eye and say this old and nothing newer. And they will look you straight back and say yes I agree, thats fair. A few will infringe but it will be much easier to educate the majority when they can feel it intuitively in their gut that they are being treated as partners instead of consumers.
This branch is a primer. It gets people up to speed in an entertaining, adversarial, and multi-faceted manner. Seed. Create your own primers throughout the web especially on well-trafficked forums. Link to them in comments where appropriate. Normal people through connectivity will always chance on them and the like-minded will seize the day.
Physical is so passé. Here's how to organize: Although this thread will be locked in a few weeks, I want people to come here and digest the issues, support the strengths, and be critical of the weakness'. The reason I want you to do this is I have an agenda. I have identified the fleecing of the public domain as a moral weakness in my chosen enemy. I want this branch to be fully fleshed out and validated by many more minds than mine could match. Once it is locked (and before too!) I will continue to press my agenda. Whenever a slashdot story comes up that is tagged copyright, mpaa, or riaa I will go into it contribute something new and be a proponent of the public domain. Then in each of those posts I will provide a link to this branch with the title: "I Want My Public Domain." The issue will not sink and the arguments made properly fit here will have a weight of their own. This is how to go about change, harness us all and simply attack from a myriad of viewpoints.
Link everywhere on the web you find to be appropriate here.
Now, if your ready to construct instead of belittle come back and we will work. Don't get uppity because I showed you a trick. You don't know how many tricks I have.
You know what? I'm feeling particularly generous so I'll explain what just happened to you. Read a book called: The Prince by Niccolò Machiavelli. You screwed up with your finishing move. You weren't magnanimous. I used that opening to assassinate your character and then I rubbed it in to disrupt your thinking. Then I ignored what your said and demonstrated to your how you lost while being magnanimous.
Just wanted to add: too bad slashdot doesn't let you edit your comments;) When you're ready to deal instead of lead someone down your preferred path of conversation so you can deliver your predetermined coup de gras and pat yourself on the back, come back. I'll still be here and I forgive you. We can always talk.
Yes I hurt an artist by liberating content. But you know what hurts them even more? The fat white guy in the suit that steals every penny that is supposed to go to that artist occasionally throwing them a bone so they don't die and dry the revenue stream. RIAA/MPAA mouthpieces claiming we are "hurting" the artists are hypocrites, they themselves have stolen more money from the artists than any loss of sales could ever have amounted to. And liberating you are drawing attention to the cause. When you go to court you maximize the pomp and circumstance and be sure to provide all the people on the web who share an interest in this topic the blow-by-blow details. Let them come for me so I can shame them before a judge. They may get me but the path for the next person will be a little more defined.
Perhaps "Intellectual Property" is the was of the future and ideas could be property instead of truth. Maybe we should be locking up forever 2+2=4 and instead force you to buy a subscription to 2+2=5. Regardless, the issue right now is not whether ideas should be property. First we have to work through the issue of how we get there. Through manipulation and lies the content industry is twisting the purpose of copyright law from a limited time to a perpetual property. Without public consultation - one of the parties in the original agreement. If they want ideas to be property forever come to the table and negotiate with the people your taking them from instead of stabbing copyright in the back cloaked under the veil of night.
Ideas may not be property. Copyright protects for a limited time the exclusive right to distribute an idea. The limited time part has been twisted so far out of line that it is preventing secondary works. Disney didn't mind borrowing from the Brothers Grimm for their early works but try to take Mickey and they'll sue your ass back to the stone age.
I did sleep well thank you. I like how you throw the baby out with the bath water. Apparently if something is not 100% perfect for you then you dismiss it all and go on your smug way with your superiority complex. People are fallible, and you have a personality defect you are blind to.
That was a really long run, I haven't stayed up that long in quite a while. So, go check yourself for the cancer eating at your heart.
You know what. I'm going to go to bed. I've been up for almost 56 hours now. Believe it or not I didn't lie. So. Bite me, I'm not looking for your validation.
I realize that these industries are built on real people who depend on them for their livelihoods. At the same time I see the MPAA and RIAA mouthpieces systematically destroying what makes us better. Our plurality, our shared experience, universal truths, and many other arguments about who is exactly using who. I am an absolute proponent of the public domain: I believe it is the base everything else in our society is built upon. And these two mentioned industry associations are sucking it dry in their short-sighted greed. Government meanwhile is failing to effectively govern in respect to the public domains importance so the situation is exacerbated with each day. Would you stand by idly while your neighbors house was burning? I don't think I could.
The Internet is the root of most of these issues: I have read and believe it when the comparison is drawn that it is a tsunami that is sweeping over the content industries clearing land for some and washing away the livelihoods of others. In this transition into the Information age what can any of us individually actually do?
Meh, putting them in contact with a lawyer would only encourage them. Instead I think I'll just taunt them until I piss them off enough that they get a Royal Canadian Mounted Police constable to come to my door. Then the gloves are off.
I don't believe I fully agree. Yes in absolute terms someone in past days has been at more physical risk than I am right now. My details being real in my gmail account can be subpoenaed by the exact people most people would try to avoid. If they did that they would find out I live in a town called Gander in Newfoundland, Canada. That town where a lot of the planes were diverted to during 9/11 and our population doubled in a day and we were scrambling to find every corner to put a person into. Talking to you it is irrelevant whether you know my exact location. If I hopefully make the correct people feel threatened those interests definitely have the capability to make my life miserable. So how do you suggest I go about spitting in their eye? I have about 70 movies downloaded some new like Pandorum which is good and some old like the Mad Max trilogy and the Back to the Future Trilogy, and I have about 700 mp3s from three primary artists: Bad Religion, Tool, and Marilyn Manson. I haven't paid for any of this and I swear under penalty of perjury that I downloaded them all "illegally" from the Internet. So if they want me, come and get me you chicken-shits. Your corruption and fleecing of the public domain is evident to anyone with half a brain cell and I will not let up until either you kill me or the law changes to reflect fairness. I will be creating a single link in every single future slashdot story called "I want my public domain" and that link will point to the root here with my parent post. Fuck off RIAA, MPAA, you're parasites you deserve to be broken like the cartel you are and I will continue to "steal" everything you publish that I can get my hands on. Given that I am not trying to hide from you in any way I will accept any lack of charging me to be an approval that you would rather let me privateer to my hearts content rather than risk confronting me. This situation will apply to anyone who references this thread. If the MPAA/RIAA comes to your door point them here and tell them to get a hold of me, my email is next to my pseudonym. I'll tell them to get bent and put them in direct contact with a lawyer who will represent my interests at that time. If the MPAA/RIAA refuses to contact me tell your lawyer that I want them to first as a prerequisite to talking to you at all. Fuck off and die MPAA/RIAA you're stealing from me.
You are absolutely correct. Brave people in past days put their life and limb on the line for what they believed in. Physically they went to where they believed they needed to be and damn the consequences. I'm here in the Information age and I believe that slashdot is the perfect place to stir up shit. I sincerely hope that this talk will eventually lead to action and that action will lead to change. Then I can stop rattling my saber and fade into obscurity. My email next to my name is real and in my gmail account my real physical details are present. I'm not going to change them.
Slashdot Mirror
Sigh. I wish someone would talk about this. With this structure you trade off centralization for bandwidth. You as the instigator do not know where it will end up. However, once it gets there the consensus as a whole will be more robust than any individual could have managed with their singular mindset. All you need is a minimum mass and a variable number of distinct positions to play against each other. Doesn't hurt to have a stimulus pissing everyone off too.
Sorry, missed a line. For all the logistical support labels provide as a general group they collude to keep prices high while lobbying incrementally to continually tip the scales a bit more in their favor. This is contrary to Mr. Smith's invisible hand. Overall it creates inefficiencies and this hidden cost is ultimately passed on to the purchaser. It is not free market, it does not promote innovation, they are self-serving, and when they are dismantled whatever rises to replace them will be better at least because it will be young and lean. Just because they are established does not mean they deserve status quo.
Case in point: I just asked a relative if they knew they were stealing by downloading that song through limewire. I got a confused look and a what? Ignorance is no defense before the law but when you get that it is a symptom that something is broken somewhere. Help me find it.
Now, I will give you this: I very well could be wrong in how I'm advocating going about setting the pressure aspect but I firmly believe that besides that the rest of that comment holds truth.
It's not just me there are literally millions of file-sharers and thats probably under-counting by an order of magnitude. The majority of these people probably don't examine too closely what they are doing so I'm playing proxy to generate wisdom to guide them. I'm taking an adversarial approach to the issue. Convince me completely and I will bend. If I have an inkling of doubt I will tow my line because I believe that passion produces better results.
I am hurting an artist right now by liberating content. This is to create pressure to imbalance the stranglehold current de-facto cartels have on the market. Once the parasitic conditions of the current copyright imbalance are corrected and a reasonable term is set before a work becomes public domain it will free up a well of creativity for a whole new generation. They will actually be able to draw from the rich mosaic to express themselves with glory. Once fair terms are recognized in copyright an actual deal that is not my take all that you can eat approach can be established. You can look someone straight in the eye and say this old and nothing newer. And they will look you straight back and say yes I agree, thats fair. A few will infringe but it will be much easier to educate the majority when they can feel it intuitively in their gut that they are being treated as partners instead of consumers.
I'm an idiot sometimes with this gee-whiz newfangled interweb thing. This is the proper link to use when referencing this branch:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1450972&cid=30167330
This branch is a primer. It gets people up to speed in an entertaining, adversarial, and multi-faceted manner. Seed. Create your own primers throughout the web especially on well-trafficked forums. Link to them in comments where appropriate. Normal people through connectivity will always chance on them and the like-minded will seize the day.
Physical is so passé. Here's how to organize: Although this thread will be locked in a few weeks, I want people to come here and digest the issues, support the strengths, and be critical of the weakness'. The reason I want you to do this is I have an agenda. I have identified the fleecing of the public domain as a moral weakness in my chosen enemy. I want this branch to be fully fleshed out and validated by many more minds than mine could match. Once it is locked (and before too!) I will continue to press my agenda. Whenever a slashdot story comes up that is tagged copyright, mpaa, or riaa I will go into it contribute something new and be a proponent of the public domain. Then in each of those posts I will provide a link to this branch with the title: "I Want My Public Domain." The issue will not sink and the arguments made properly fit here will have a weight of their own. This is how to go about change, harness us all and simply attack from a myriad of viewpoints.
Link everywhere on the web you find to be appropriate here.
I Want My Public Domain.
Now, if your ready to construct instead of belittle come back and we will work. Don't get uppity because I showed you a trick. You don't know how many tricks I have.
your = you
You know what? I'm feeling particularly generous so I'll explain what just happened to you. Read a book called: The Prince by Niccolò Machiavelli. You screwed up with your finishing move. You weren't magnanimous. I used that opening to assassinate your character and then I rubbed it in to disrupt your thinking. Then I ignored what your said and demonstrated to your how you lost while being magnanimous.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Don't worry experience can fix most things.
Just wanted to add: too bad slashdot doesn't let you edit your comments ;) When you're ready to deal instead of lead someone down your preferred path of conversation so you can deliver your predetermined coup de gras and pat yourself on the back, come back. I'll still be here and I forgive you. We can always talk.
was = way
Yes I hurt an artist by liberating content. But you know what hurts them even more? The fat white guy in the suit that steals every penny that is supposed to go to that artist occasionally throwing them a bone so they don't die and dry the revenue stream. RIAA/MPAA mouthpieces claiming we are "hurting" the artists are hypocrites, they themselves have stolen more money from the artists than any loss of sales could ever have amounted to. And liberating you are drawing attention to the cause. When you go to court you maximize the pomp and circumstance and be sure to provide all the people on the web who share an interest in this topic the blow-by-blow details. Let them come for me so I can shame them before a judge. They may get me but the path for the next person will be a little more defined.
Perhaps "Intellectual Property" is the was of the future and ideas could be property instead of truth. Maybe we should be locking up forever 2+2=4 and instead force you to buy a subscription to 2+2=5. Regardless, the issue right now is not whether ideas should be property. First we have to work through the issue of how we get there. Through manipulation and lies the content industry is twisting the purpose of copyright law from a limited time to a perpetual property. Without public consultation - one of the parties in the original agreement. If they want ideas to be property forever come to the table and negotiate with the people your taking them from instead of stabbing copyright in the back cloaked under the veil of night.
Ideas may not be property. Copyright protects for a limited time the exclusive right to distribute an idea. The limited time part has been twisted so far out of line that it is preventing secondary works. Disney didn't mind borrowing from the Brothers Grimm for their early works but try to take Mickey and they'll sue your ass back to the stone age.
I did sleep well thank you. I like how you throw the baby out with the bath water. Apparently if something is not 100% perfect for you then you dismiss it all and go on your smug way with your superiority complex. People are fallible, and you have a personality defect you are blind to.
That was a really long run, I haven't stayed up that long in quite a while. So, go check yourself for the cancer eating at your heart.
You know what. I'm going to go to bed. I've been up for almost 56 hours now. Believe it or not I didn't lie. So. Bite me, I'm not looking for your validation.
:p
I realize that these industries are built on real people who depend on them for their livelihoods. At the same time I see the MPAA and RIAA mouthpieces systematically destroying what makes us better. Our plurality, our shared experience, universal truths, and many other arguments about who is exactly using who. I am an absolute proponent of the public domain: I believe it is the base everything else in our society is built upon. And these two mentioned industry associations are sucking it dry in their short-sighted greed. Government meanwhile is failing to effectively govern in respect to the public domains importance so the situation is exacerbated with each day. Would you stand by idly while your neighbors house was burning? I don't think I could.
The Internet is the root of most of these issues: I have read and believe it when the comparison is drawn that it is a tsunami that is sweeping over the content industries clearing land for some and washing away the livelihoods of others. In this transition into the Information age what can any of us individually actually do?
Meh, putting them in contact with a lawyer would only encourage them. Instead I think I'll just taunt them until I piss them off enough that they get a Royal Canadian Mounted Police constable to come to my door. Then the gloves are off.
Correction: every future slashdot story that is tagged copyright, mpaa, or riaa. And it will just be a link to here.
I don't believe I fully agree. Yes in absolute terms someone in past days has been at more physical risk than I am right now. My details being real in my gmail account can be subpoenaed by the exact people most people would try to avoid. If they did that they would find out I live in a town called Gander in Newfoundland, Canada. That town where a lot of the planes were diverted to during 9/11 and our population doubled in a day and we were scrambling to find every corner to put a person into. Talking to you it is irrelevant whether you know my exact location. If I hopefully make the correct people feel threatened those interests definitely have the capability to make my life miserable. So how do you suggest I go about spitting in their eye? I have about 70 movies downloaded some new like Pandorum which is good and some old like the Mad Max trilogy and the Back to the Future Trilogy, and I have about 700 mp3s from three primary artists: Bad Religion, Tool, and Marilyn Manson. I haven't paid for any of this and I swear under penalty of perjury that I downloaded them all "illegally" from the Internet. So if they want me, come and get me you chicken-shits. Your corruption and fleecing of the public domain is evident to anyone with half a brain cell and I will not let up until either you kill me or the law changes to reflect fairness. I will be creating a single link in every single future slashdot story called "I want my public domain" and that link will point to the root here with my parent post. Fuck off RIAA, MPAA, you're parasites you deserve to be broken like the cartel you are and I will continue to "steal" everything you publish that I can get my hands on. Given that I am not trying to hide from you in any way I will accept any lack of charging me to be an approval that you would rather let me privateer to my hearts content rather than risk confronting me. This situation will apply to anyone who references this thread. If the MPAA/RIAA comes to your door point them here and tell them to get a hold of me, my email is next to my pseudonym. I'll tell them to get bent and put them in direct contact with a lawyer who will represent my interests at that time. If the MPAA/RIAA refuses to contact me tell your lawyer that I want them to first as a prerequisite to talking to you at all. Fuck off and die MPAA/RIAA you're stealing from me.
You are absolutely correct. Brave people in past days put their life and limb on the line for what they believed in. Physically they went to where they believed they needed to be and damn the consequences. I'm here in the Information age and I believe that slashdot is the perfect place to stir up shit. I sincerely hope that this talk will eventually lead to action and that action will lead to change. Then I can stop rattling my saber and fade into obscurity. My email next to my name is real and in my gmail account my real physical details are present. I'm not going to change them.