AD is indeed VERY slow. I have to work with it at work and it blows. I wish they (the admins) would use a plain ole LDAP server. OpenLDAP is much better IMO.
Well, I am using the latest version of Cross Over Office and have not had ONE crash with Office XP or Photoshop 7. I think you are the one spreading BS. Have you purchased the latest version of Cross Over Office? It doesn't sound like it. Also, Disney funded support for getting Photoshop 7.0 working. I don't think they would have been happy with something that as you say:
is extremely buggy, it crashes every 5min
So maybe actaully USE the product before you bash it. I have Cross Over running on three boxes and none of them have crashed. Also, WineX and Cross Over DO put their stuff back into Wine. The only stuff that does not get back into Wine are a few proprietary Driect X DLL's that Transgamming is NOT ALLOWED to put back into Wine.
Personally, I don't have a problem with China inventing their own CPU, or word processing software, but if they'd like to play nicely with others in this global economy, here's hoping that they at least stick to open and published standards.
Do you mean play nicely as MS the American company has? Why does another nation have to trust its national security to closed source virus/exploit prone software that is put out by MS? There will always be an international market. It just doesn't have to be software. Infact, the global market has done very well for many years without software being involved. Also, there currently is NO global software market. The only global market is MS. Why should the 95% of the world that is NOT American have to support an nasty monopoly that has abused our system of capitalism? I am all for a healthy global economy, just not with software. Stick to open standars and open protocols and each nation can do fine on their own. When you have a completely one sided IT economy such as the case with MS, then the other 95% of the worlds population suffers while the small 5% gets to hoarde it all. That is not a balanced economy IMO.
Actually, MS Office XP runs perfectly under Cross Over Office. It also runs Photoshop 7 perfectly. Disney actually paid to have Photoshop 7 working since many more movies are being done with Linux and most graphical artists have Photoshop training. I just set this up for my brother-in-law who is a photographer and said he "needed" photoshop, I switched him to Red Hat 9 with OOo 1.1 (very good startup times) and Photoshop 7. It runs great. There is no slow down since Wine is NOT an emulator, it runs at native speed. I personally use Gimp 1.3.x and OOo-1.1 for all my needs. However, if you "need" one of these bigger MS Windows only apps, Cross Over works great for many of them. There is also WineX-3.x that runs more then 500 of the top games.
First, where did I even mention RHAS?
Second, read the parent post. He says there:
There wont be any RH 10 or 11. RH9 is it for the free distro's from redhat.
This is just not true. I just downloaded the Red Hat 10 BETA and I posted the links to the sites a few posts up. Again, if you are going to post, at least get your facts straight.
I just ran the render bench from the link.
The results are pretty amazing.
Available XRENDER filters: nearest bilinear fast good best Set up... --ROUND 1 -- Test: Test Xrender doing non-scaled Over blends Time: 22.842 sec. -- Test: Test Imlib2 doing non-scaled Over blends Time: 0.501 sec.
--ROUND 2 -- Test: Test Xrender doing 1/2 scaled Over blends Time: 11.438 sec. -- Test: Test Imlib2 doing 1/2 scaled Over blends Time: 0.188 sec.
--ROUND 3 -- Test: Test Xrender doing 2* smooth scaled Over blends Time: 225.476 sec. -- Test: Test Imlib2 doing 2* smooth scaled Over blends Time: 3.963 sec.
Wrong again! You can go to ftp.redhat.com or one of many mirrors and download Red Hat 9 FOR FREE. It is only the support that will cost you. Red Hat and the community will continue to develop Red Hat for the desktop/personal use. Red Hat will not offer this "personal" edition as a retail boxed set any more. You can still download it. In fact I just downloaded and installed Red Hat Severn Beta which will become Red Hat 10 from http://rhl.redhat.com/. Please stop spreading FUD. Instead of making blanket statements as if they are facts, do something called ASKING.
Wrong agian. Please try to base your arguments on facts. You can redistribute RH and mirror it, I can give the ISO's to as many people as I want. I can buy one copy and give it to 100 people. You can even make a Red Hat Clone, you just have to remove their copyrighted logos. You can go to cheapbytes and get a Red Hat 9 clone called Pink Tie 9 for $18. The only thing you pay Red Hat for is support and to use their Red Hat Network to manage upgrades, etc. The Anaconda installer is GPL and infact for a long time Mandrake was just a re-done Red Hat distribution.
No, Red Hat has moved the destop/personal version to an OPEN development model. People in the community can work on imporoving it for home/desktop use. http://rhl.redhat.com/ http://www.harkness.co.uk/redhat/
The commercial versions will be focused on the enterprise with a slower release cycle, while the desktop version will have a much faster release cycle to bring the latest and the greates to users.
Not only IE and now OE, but in their next version of their OS they are "integrating" Windows Media Player. It will no longer be a stand alone app. Boy am I glad the US justice system knows how to stop monopolies from ruining captialism.
Does it matter? There are no innovations. ALL knowledge is based on prior knowlegde. Look in any field of study and you will soon learn that advancement is not possible without prior knowledge. What we know about computer science today is thanks to the knowledge gained by those before us. It is this way in EVERY field, Astronomy, Medical Science, Mathmatics, etc. Humankind does not grow by leaps and bounds, we grow by incremental improvements. I have not heard of ONE discovery/innovation in which the discovery/innovator was not educated in prior knowledge. Now the question we need to ask ourselves, and especially the government is do we really want the advancement of our society to be hindered by monetary interests of the greedy?
Yup, I have to agree with that. It depends on what you are using it for. For the average desktop use, XP is a big improvement over win9x. However, I get a lot of crashes from XP especially with Outlook when I am doing some heavy compiling and do some heavy dev work. 6 months ago I switched to using Linux to develop with at work (without anyones knowledge) and things have been great. This is at a fortune 500 company. Some people caught wind of it and now a few other developers and most of the Oracle DBA's are asking and showing interest. I have been MS free on my home network for 3 years or so and it has been great. Being able to be almost MS free on my workstations at work has been icing on the cake. Oh, one other thing I don't think anyone has seemed to notice is that is doesn't matter whether those 50% of crashes are from drivers OR apps. The thing that sticks out to me is MS is admitting to 50% of all crashes is because of their product. They are just saying it in a marketing friendly way to try to push the blame to driver developers.
I see your point. However, with more then 1 billion people, what percentage of Inidan's are middle class in their society verses the massive number of Indian's that are living in poverty. Because America has grabbed so much wealth, we are able to have a much smaller percentage of our population living in poverty. Though many Americans still struggle because even in a wealthy nation like the USA, we still have many greedy people that want to take as much as they can get. I read that more then 2 billion people in the world live on $2 or less per day with more then 1 billion living on $1 per day or less. Here in America we spend more then that on our daily latte.
I knew it. COBOL and ISAM. No, COBOL is not a language, it
was designed for business people without the aptitude to do real language development. I have been replacing many legacy systems and legacy COBOL bums for a while now. I come in and reduce 100,000 lines of COBOl to a REAL systems language like C. I can work in C, C++, Java, Perl, Bash, Korn, PHP, ASP, VB, COBOL, PL\SQL, PeopleCode, MS Windows, Linux and Solaris. Sorry, I don't count COBOL as a REAL language, 5,000 lines of move and pic clauses to say hello world. Uh and for the record I am 30. I as well as you have no contorl over when one is born. I am glad I was born when I was and that I was able to be EDUCATED on current technology. I don't find big iron COBOL to be very impressive. Now move along you crusty old dino, there is a massive wave of technology that I get paid very well to work with. I bet you will reply to this, it shows your maturity level, you just have to get that last work in.
First, you need to learn to read troll. I said I was a PROGRAMMER and not an admin. You know a programmer which is somthing you are not able to do so you skulk at all the Linux people with more talent then you. Go home now troll, mommy is waiting for you.
I hope they can really get a good jump on Open Source and use it to boost their local economy. I was born and raised in the good ole' USA. However, I am saddened by the fact that Americans make up ONLY 5% of the worlds population yet we have snatched up more then 50% of the worlds wealth. That seems like excessive greed to me. This leaves the other 95% (like India) to fight over less then 50% of the worlds wealth. Again, this just doesn't seem right to me. I hope ALL non-US nations can really build up THEIR OWN IT and not be reliant on the USA and espcially MS. While I think international trade is important, I think the majority of any nations IT should stay in that nation. Maybe India will not be selling it's IT wares internationally, but it could really spark it's own industry and keep India's money where it belongs, in India.
Didn't MS just start some Linux lab? Well, now we know who
that fortune 500 company is. The money is a drop in the bucket for MS and then get to help the SCO FUD campaign.
You apparently don't work in a large organization. Currently its not practical to 'just switch' over, regardless of what we want to think. Perhaps in a small shop that doesnt have legacy apps and doesnt have to corrdinate with anyone else.. but not a *real* business with a huge userbase.
Wrong. I am a programmer for a fortune 500 company with 110,000+ employees. This is the excuse I hear from many winders admins, either because they are lazy or don't have the skill set. I am not saying ALL. Just many don't have the skill set to or the drive to learn more then clicking a few buttons. I have been converting LARGE systems to Linux/Solaris/Java from Mainframe/IIS/ASP/C++/VB and it is no problem. It is called WORK. And it is something that needs to be done from time to time.
Furthermore, you don't blame a person that doesn't know there are alternatives ( i.e. , home end users ) because of the choice they make. A alternative choice, incidentally, that most likely WONT do what the need.. such as play the latest game, or get them onto AOL. These are the things home users need. Business users have other reasons its not practical.
Sorry, I don't subscribe to the MS FUD of the week. I have switched a few people to Linux and they can do all of the above. With WineX they can even play around 500 of the latest and greatest games. If they need more gaming needs, I tell them to buy a console such as the PS2, there is even a client to sign onto AOHell.
At least for now. Perhaps eventually that will change as the alternatives become more viable. ( its a slow process.. but progress is being made )
Don't assume YOUR definition of viable is everyone elses. I guess Linux isn't viable for the state department in Largo FL USA, Munich Germany with more then 14,000 desktops, Oracle, and tons of others. I guess since you said it is not yet viable then we are all just wasting our time.
The reason visuii don't exist in large amounts for other OS"s is that they are not the most common. People write vruii for windows both because of the perceived holes and larger user base.
What complete MS FUD. MS has a monopoly ONLY on the desktop. Unix is the number 1 server with Linux growing VERY strong and I bet Linux will become the #1 server within 5 years. The term is viruses, not virii. What do you mean perceived? Almost all home users of ANY MS OS are running as root (administrator). This almost never happens in Linux/*BSD unless you use a silly version such as Lindows. It is pretty sad that I can sit down at most home users and many corporte MS Windows PC and be able to delete C:\*.*. That same command in a unix/Linux environment has no effect unless you are root.
Education will help tediously, but not going around and calling them stupid and refusing to care isn't going to help anyone.
I never call people stupid and I DO care. I am a moderator for a Redhat Linux group and the Linux group on yahoo groups. Me and a few others help thousands with their problems without being nasty or just saying RTFM.
And before you call me a MS troll, i personally dont use their prodiucts, and often move people to a unix solution WHEN IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE USER, but that is not as often of an option as you appear to beleive. I have also been forced to give up somethings due to this perosnal choce. While Im willing to do that, a user should not be EXPECTED to do so.
If it looks like an MS troll, talks like an MS troll, then it is most likely an MS troll. You don't sound like someone I would want to turn to for suggestions on ANYTHING non-MS. Solaris, Linux, *BSD can be made to handle ANY IT need, just because YOU don't have the skill set to do it doesn't mean that there are not 1,000's of other who do. Maybe instead of just dumping MS crap on people you could try to HELP them to get out of a propriety trap and SHOW t
My point was that the guy had inside knowledge. NO amount of security is 100%. Not that Acxiom should be let off the hook, they obviously made some DUMB mistakes, however, I wonder how successful the guy would have been without that insider knowlegde.
MS is very slow to release patches because they are trying to
protect their image. Their patches fix exploits that have already done a fair amount of damage. So while MS Windows Update my be nice to try to stay current, it doesn't stop the damage of viruses. The only thing that will stop the damages of viruses under MS Windows is a BIG change on how a user interacts with the OS. By default ALL users under XP are ADMINISTRATORS! Your just asking for trouble. The average Joe Blow doesn't know that they are running with admin rights or what that even means. MS needs to take a Linux/*BSD approach and have the administrator be used for ONLY ADMINISTRATING the computer. Though doing that, MS would loose most of it's "ease of use". So since MS is unable to provide a somewhat secure OS for the home user, they deciede to let the hardware people handle by trying to push palladium and then tell all the home users that it is the answer to all their prayes while giving MS a level of control that is frightening.
Ever hear of a virus?...
they are easy to catch, requires little 'cracking' ( hacking isn't the right term ) skills, and can cause LOTS of monetary damage.
We got hit here with the slammer worm due to an outsider's HOME pc and we lost countless man hours to clean it up. Real hard dollars.. It would have been worse if the worm also deleted data..
Previously a place I worked for got hit with the ' I love you' virus.. and while my users were protected, many other divisions weren't.. again many man hours of time lost..
A virus is only easy to catch under MS Windows. Throw that crap out and use Linux, *BSD or MacOS X and you will have no worries mate. I don't feel a bit sorry for any user of any MS product that continues to use such poor garbage and then complains about all the security exploits and viruses. There has been something like 60,000+ viruses for MS windows causing billions (USD) in damages. All that money people spend on fixing the damages from those viruses could have went into a conversion to Linux, *BSD and even MacOS X.
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AD is indeed VERY slow. I have to work with it at work and it blows. I wish they (the admins) would use a plain ole LDAP server. OpenLDAP is much better IMO.
So maybe actaully USE the product before you bash it. I have Cross Over running on three boxes and none of them have crashed. Also, WineX and Cross Over DO put their stuff back into Wine. The only stuff that does not get back into Wine are a few proprietary Driect X DLL's that Transgamming is NOT ALLOWED to put back into Wine.
Yes, I did misinterpret your post, sorry about that : )
MS is not and cannot be certified for Security Critical Applications. It is only Old school Unix.
Actually, MS Office XP runs perfectly under Cross Over Office. It also runs Photoshop 7 perfectly. Disney actually paid to have Photoshop 7 working since many more movies are being done with Linux and most graphical artists have Photoshop training. I just set this up for my brother-in-law who is a photographer and said he "needed" photoshop, I switched him to Red Hat 9 with OOo 1.1 (very good startup times) and Photoshop 7. It runs great. There is no slow down since Wine is NOT an emulator, it runs at native speed. I personally use Gimp 1.3.x and OOo-1.1 for all my needs. However, if you "need" one of these bigger MS Windows only apps, Cross Over works great for many of them. There is also WineX-3.x that runs more then 500 of the top games.
Second, read the parent post. He says there: This is just not true. I just downloaded the Red Hat 10 BETA and I posted the links to the sites a few posts up. Again, if you are going to post, at least get your facts straight.
Wrong again! You can go to ftp.redhat.com or one of many mirrors and download Red Hat 9 FOR FREE. It is only the support that will cost you. Red Hat and the community will continue to develop Red Hat for the desktop/personal use. Red Hat will not offer this "personal" edition as a retail boxed set any more. You can still download it. In fact I just downloaded and installed Red Hat Severn Beta which will become Red Hat 10 from http://rhl.redhat.com/. Please stop spreading FUD. Instead of making blanket statements as if they are facts, do something called ASKING.
Wrong agian. Please try to base your arguments on facts. You can redistribute RH and mirror it, I can give the ISO's to as many people as I want. I can buy one copy and give it to 100 people. You can even make a Red Hat Clone, you just have to remove their copyrighted logos. You can go to cheapbytes and get a Red Hat 9 clone called Pink Tie 9 for $18. The only thing you pay Red Hat for is support and to use their Red Hat Network to manage upgrades, etc. The Anaconda installer is GPL and infact for a long time Mandrake was just a re-done Red Hat distribution.
No, Red Hat has moved the destop/personal version to an OPEN development model. People in the community can work on imporoving it for home/desktop use.
http://rhl.redhat.com/
http://www.harkness.co.uk/redhat/
The commercial versions will be focused on the enterprise with a slower release cycle, while the desktop version will have a much faster release cycle to bring the latest and the greates to users.
Office and especially the full Outlook will never be bundled. Office is MS's second cash cow. They won't let that one slip away easily.
Not only IE and now OE, but in their next version of their OS they are "integrating" Windows Media Player. It will no longer be a stand alone app. Boy am I glad the US justice system knows how to stop monopolies from ruining captialism.
Does it matter? There are no innovations. ALL knowledge is based on prior knowlegde. Look in any field of study and you will soon learn that advancement is not possible without prior knowledge. What we know about computer science today is thanks to the knowledge gained by those before us. It is this way in EVERY field, Astronomy, Medical Science, Mathmatics, etc. Humankind does not grow by leaps and bounds, we grow by incremental improvements. I have not heard of ONE discovery/innovation in which the discovery/innovator was not educated in prior knowledge. Now the question we need to ask ourselves, and especially the government is do we really want the advancement of our society to be hindered by monetary interests of the greedy?
Yup, I have to agree with that. It depends on what you are using it for. For the average desktop use, XP is a big improvement over win9x. However, I get a lot of crashes from XP especially with Outlook when I am doing some heavy compiling and do some heavy dev work. 6 months ago I switched to using Linux to develop with at work (without anyones knowledge) and things have been great. This is at a fortune 500 company. Some people caught wind of it and now a few other developers and most of the Oracle DBA's are asking and showing interest. I have been MS free on my home network for 3 years or so and it has been great. Being able to be almost MS free on my workstations at work has been icing on the cake. Oh, one other thing I don't think anyone has seemed to notice is that is doesn't matter whether those 50% of crashes are from drivers OR apps. The thing that sticks out to me is MS is admitting to 50% of all crashes is because of their product. They are just saying it in a marketing friendly way to try to push the blame to driver developers.
I see your point. However, with more then 1 billion people, what percentage of Inidan's are middle class in their society verses the massive number of Indian's that are living in poverty. Because America has grabbed so much wealth, we are able to have a much smaller percentage of our population living in poverty. Though many Americans still struggle because even in a wealthy nation like the USA, we still have many greedy people that want to take as much as they can get. I read that more then 2 billion people in the world live on $2 or less per day with more then 1 billion living on $1 per day or less. Here in America we spend more then that on our daily latte.
I knew it. COBOL and ISAM. No, COBOL is not a language, it was designed for business people without the aptitude to do real language development. I have been replacing many legacy systems and legacy COBOL bums for a while now. I come in and reduce 100,000 lines of COBOl to a REAL systems language like C. I can work in C, C++, Java, Perl, Bash, Korn, PHP, ASP, VB, COBOL, PL\SQL, PeopleCode, MS Windows, Linux and Solaris. Sorry, I don't count COBOL as a REAL language, 5,000 lines of move and pic clauses to say hello world. Uh and for the record I am 30. I as well as you have no contorl over when one is born. I am glad I was born when I was and that I was able to be EDUCATED on current technology. I don't find big iron COBOL to be very impressive. Now move along you crusty old dino, there is a massive wave of technology that I get paid very well to work with. I bet you will reply to this, it shows your maturity level, you just have to get that last work in.
First, you need to learn to read troll. I said I was a PROGRAMMER and not an admin. You know a programmer which is somthing you are not able to do so you skulk at all the Linux people with more talent then you. Go home now troll, mommy is waiting for you.
I hope they can really get a good jump on Open Source and use it to boost their local economy. I was born and raised in the good ole' USA. However, I am saddened by the fact that Americans make up ONLY 5% of the worlds population yet we have snatched up more then 50% of the worlds wealth. That seems like excessive greed to me. This leaves the other 95% (like India) to fight over less then 50% of the worlds wealth. Again, this just doesn't seem right to me. I hope ALL non-US nations can really build up THEIR OWN IT and not be reliant on the USA and espcially MS. While I think international trade is important, I think the majority of any nations IT should stay in that nation. Maybe India will not be selling it's IT wares internationally, but it could really spark it's own industry and keep India's money where it belongs, in India.
Sorry if this seems naive. I have seen "PHB" used alot around here an I have never ran into that acronym before. What does it mean?
Didn't MS just start some Linux lab? Well, now we know who that fortune 500 company is. The money is a drop in the bucket for MS and then get to help the SCO FUD campaign.
Wrong. I am a programmer for a fortune 500 company with 110,000+ employees. This is the excuse I hear from many winders admins, either because they are lazy or don't have the skill set. I am not saying ALL. Just many don't have the skill set to or the drive to learn more then clicking a few buttons. I have been converting LARGE systems to Linux/Solaris/Java from Mainframe/IIS/ASP/C++/VB and it is no problem. It is called WORK. And it is something that needs to be done from time to time.
Sorry, I don't subscribe to the MS FUD of the week. I have switched a few people to Linux and they can do all of the above. With WineX they can even play around 500 of the latest and greatest games. If they need more gaming needs, I tell them to buy a console such as the PS2, there is even a client to sign onto AOHell.
Don't assume YOUR definition of viable is everyone elses. I guess Linux isn't viable for the state department in Largo FL USA, Munich Germany with more then 14,000 desktops, Oracle, and tons of others. I guess since you said it is not yet viable then we are all just wasting our time.
What complete MS FUD. MS has a monopoly ONLY on the desktop. Unix is the number 1 server with Linux growing VERY strong and I bet Linux will become the #1 server within 5 years. The term is viruses, not virii. What do you mean perceived? Almost all home users of ANY MS OS are running as root (administrator). This almost never happens in Linux/*BSD unless you use a silly version such as Lindows. It is pretty sad that I can sit down at most home users and many corporte MS Windows PC and be able to delete C:\*.*. That same command in a unix/Linux environment has no effect unless you are root.
I never call people stupid and I DO care. I am a moderator for a Redhat Linux group and the Linux group on yahoo groups. Me and a few others help thousands with their problems without being nasty or just saying RTFM.
If it looks like an MS troll, talks like an MS troll, then it is most likely an MS troll. You don't sound like someone I would want to turn to for suggestions on ANYTHING non-MS. Solaris, Linux, *BSD can be made to handle ANY IT need, just because YOU don't have the skill set to do it doesn't mean that there are not 1,000's of other who do. Maybe instead of just dumping MS crap on people you could try to HELP them to get out of a propriety trap and SHOW t
My point was that the guy had inside knowledge. NO amount of security is 100%. Not that Acxiom should be let off the hook, they obviously made some DUMB mistakes, however, I wonder how successful the guy would have been without that insider knowlegde.
MS is very slow to release patches because they are trying to protect their image. Their patches fix exploits that have already done a fair amount of damage. So while MS Windows Update my be nice to try to stay current, it doesn't stop the damage of viruses. The only thing that will stop the damages of viruses under MS Windows is a BIG change on how a user interacts with the OS. By default ALL users under XP are ADMINISTRATORS! Your just asking for trouble. The average Joe Blow doesn't know that they are running with admin rights or what that even means. MS needs to take a Linux/*BSD approach and have the administrator be used for ONLY ADMINISTRATING the computer. Though doing that, MS would loose most of it's "ease of use". So since MS is unable to provide a somewhat secure OS for the home user, they deciede to let the hardware people handle by trying to push palladium and then tell all the home users that it is the answer to all their prayes while giving MS a level of control that is frightening.