agreed. there are unemployed grad students from uber cs schools, yet one of my best friends got a gig at Los Alamos after going to a {much} lesser known school...
Probably the best thing you can do is be born wealthy and connected. Failing that, get in early to the IEEE, or ACM clubs at whatever university you do go to- those are way good ways to make professional connections as an undergrad.
Don't just attend the meetings, meet the speakers when they come to campus. Talk to them, research the topics before so you can ask them intelligent questions. Be agressive but not rude... the professionals who go campus to campus generally have a personal commitment to making a difference.
Beyond that, I'd say the best way to get in to any really cool research project is to go ahead and get that doctorate degree in the feild you are seeking. Bachelors degrees won't matter much at that point... so you have 4 years (or 6.5 in my case) to worry about what school to go to...
nothing against you personally; i have 3 years experience versus your 10+ and I'm sure you are in every way my senior... but knowingly seeking a degree mill over a respectable learning institution (established university) is professionally disgusting.
You have a paper that attempts to tell your employer that you jumped through the same hoops, studied the same topics in the same depth that I have. And you have not. Want to compare class notes with me? Want to tell me how many hours per week you studied and how you were not taught to the exam? Bring it on... people like you can bitch all you want about underqualified bachelor degreed CS students out there... but seeking career advancement in total bullshit courses like uop will do nothing to gain my (or any recruiter worth theiur money)'s attention.
I'll be the first non AC critic of UoP in this thread. Its a degree mill, short and simple. After visiting their offices in DC, finding out the credits that i was "pre-approved" for, and comparing it to serious grad schools in my area, it was so very very sad.
Its the cheapest way to get from point A to B, but no one worth a grain of salt will take you seriously once you get to point B... just spend the money on books and tuition, its an investment, and you get out of it what you put in...
I had a professor who wrote our course book on structural mechanics. God knows there have been no groundbreaking changes in that field in quite some time. Yet every 2-3 years he managed to churn out another "edition", breaking backwards compatability (i.e. problems 1-5 in chapter 7 are reworded, so you can no longer use it for the assigned homework). No new information was ever included- its just presented in (very slightly) different ways. I never quite understood how thats considered ethical.
Interesting. I've never actually met somebody with no sense of nationalism what-so-ever. As far as you are concerned, every job in your nation could be exported to 'cheaper' countries, and you're fine with that? I assume you're willing to move to third world nations with few (if any) labor laws for work if you need to?
Interesting. I've never actually met somebody with no sence of the meaning of free trade what-so-ever.
every single example you pointed out did, infact, did have monetary reasons... mostly for new (cheaper) trade routes. Columbus never set out for america, he discovered it by accident. Why do you think native Americans are called "Indians"?
rather than providing a laughably simplistic "i don't agree with you, therefore you are wrong" post as an AC, why not try to cite an economics text yourself?
It's in my countries best interests that I be gainfully employed
I'd tend to disagree. Very little depends upon whether you (or any one of x number of high tech IT employees) is gainfully employed. You are degreed most likely, and a perfect canidate for professional training in another field.
i believe its called something like "free trade"... all the anti-globalization hippies are actually opposed to this, because it lends itself to exploitation of international workers
americans just love the idea of free trade and open markets till it hits home and actually affects you, huh?
am I missing something? who exactly is matt fuller and why do his opinions make frontpage slashdot?
I checked his homepage... the biggest thing he's done is create a patch for Postfix so it "logs (and displays) its version number when it's started up"
was this not just published on slashdot to incite a flame war??? ~700 comments into the story (~300 of which are modded -1) tells me yes...
thats exactly what I was geting at. People (mac-heads) gripe at those who complain that Apples are more expensive. Well, for the average consumer (web surfing, e-mail, word processing) they are!!!
you show me any consumer who needs Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 with 4 GB of ram, I'll show you 100,000,000 people who don't.
seriously, I've got an 800 MHz pentium III with 512MB RAM and I can watch a dvd, burn a cd, listen to mp3's, have MS Visual Studio.NET and NetBeans open working on 2 different projects, host Oracle, SQLServer, and mySQL and the postgreSQL client, and be browsing on several web browsers for where the hell I went wrong with my code... AT THE SAME TIME.
its great bragging rights to have a dual 2 GHz Mac with 4 GHz RAM... but that is a fscking unrealistic comparison. Really now.
DELL
Intel(R) Celeron(R) Processor at 2.4GHz
Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home Edition
256MB Shared DDR SDRAM at 333MHz
40GB ATA/100 Value Hard Drive
48x CD-ROM Drive
DVD+RW Drive
17" monitor
$399 after $100 rebate
Apple
256MB SDRAM - 1 DIMM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
1GHz PowerPC G4 $850 after rebate (DELL x 2)
welcome back my reality- where dropping 6 grand for a computer is simply not an option!
Care to back that claim up? Or are you just a fucking moron? For every "forbidden" arms transaction between France and Iraq, the educated observer could cite 2 between the US and Iraq.
In such a tightly coupled region, there will always be vague and irrelevant connections. your link does not sway my opinion any more than the pictures of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam in the 1990's.
the fact of the matter is, most fox viewers were completely ignorant about some very important things.
exactly. every US media oulet will show you a burned down building and tell you that 15 people died there earlier. It was a life changing event when I saw BBC show the faces of the bloody survivors (and the bleeding dead) that changed my mind.
I live in Washington DC. I was at happy hour after work when Bush declared war on Iraq. Everyone at the bar cheered- and thats when I lost faith in what we are as a country. War is not to be celebrated- the end of war, sure, the victory- of course. But you don't go buying all your friends shots because your leader declares war. Whats wrong with all you fucks? Seriously. What is wrong with all you?
funny, you ommitted FOX news from your tirade. Funny because viewers of ABC, CBS, NBC were the best sources of news during the whole 9/11 Iraq thing, as three quarters of FOX news viewers had a firm belief that Osama and Saddam were connected. Most FOX viewers thought that saddam was behind 9/11. Where's the bias there?
just curious... because ABC, CBS, NBC viewers were not so badly misled.
Then you must also award GW with the job losses, the reduction in available jobs, and the increase in long term unemployed since he took office. OOPS! Not a good idea...
Or level an entire country, save generations of Iraqis, and stop a tyrannical ruler.
problem is we didn't have to go in guns a-blazin' all unilateral like to achieve that. Americans like to think that terrorism started on 9/11/01, but it has, in fact, been around since time immemoriam. It's a global problem, and should have been addressed within the U.N.
Personally, I'd rather have the 87 Billion spent on our power grid.
thanks for the tip. but you might want to inform the admins of that site that a place on the web called "m sex change dot com" might not get the hits they are expecting.
Slashdot Mirror
the "lick test"
lick a public toilet seat you'll probably get real sick
lick your desk and your work mates will just think you're a freak.
agreed. there are unemployed grad students from uber cs schools, yet one of my best friends got a gig at Los Alamos after going to a {much} lesser known school...
Probably the best thing you can do is be born wealthy and connected. Failing that, get in early to the IEEE, or ACM clubs at whatever university you do go to- those are way good ways to make professional connections as an undergrad.
Don't just attend the meetings, meet the speakers when they come to campus. Talk to them, research the topics before so you can ask them intelligent questions. Be agressive but not rude... the professionals who go campus to campus generally have a personal commitment to making a difference.
Beyond that, I'd say the best way to get in to any really cool research project is to go ahead and get that doctorate degree in the feild you are seeking. Bachelors degrees won't matter much at that point... so you have 4 years (or 6.5 in my case) to worry about what school to go to...
>I live in a 4 storey building, and pretty much everyone in this building is into gaming and computers.
>>Is there a vacancy? I want to live there!
Is that so you can win the annual spelling bee???
nothing against you personally; i have 3 years experience versus your 10+ and I'm sure you are in every way my senior... but knowingly seeking a degree mill over a respectable learning institution (established university) is professionally disgusting.
You have a paper that attempts to tell your employer that you jumped through the same hoops, studied the same topics in the same depth that I have. And you have not. Want to compare class notes with me? Want to tell me how many hours per week you studied and how you were not taught to the exam? Bring it on... people like you can bitch all you want about underqualified bachelor degreed CS students out there... but seeking career advancement in total bullshit courses like uop will do nothing to gain my (or any recruiter worth theiur money)'s attention.
totally pathetic.
I'll be the first non AC critic of UoP in this thread. Its a degree mill, short and simple. After visiting their offices in DC, finding out the credits that i was "pre-approved" for, and comparing it to serious grad schools in my area, it was so very very sad.
Its the cheapest way to get from point A to B, but no one worth a grain of salt will take you seriously once you get to point B... just spend the money on books and tuition, its an investment, and you get out of it what you put in...
Professors don't care
even worse, some are the cause of the problem...
I had a professor who wrote our course book on structural mechanics. God knows there have been no groundbreaking changes in that field in quite some time. Yet every 2-3 years he managed to churn out another "edition", breaking backwards compatability (i.e. problems 1-5 in chapter 7 are reworded, so you can no longer use it for the assigned homework). No new information was ever included- its just presented in (very slightly) different ways. I never quite understood how thats considered ethical.
Interesting. I've never actually met somebody with no sense of nationalism what-so-ever. As far as you are concerned, every job in your nation could be exported to 'cheaper' countries, and you're fine with that? I assume you're willing to move to third world nations with few (if any) labor laws for work if you need to?
Interesting. I've never actually met somebody with no sence of the meaning of free trade what-so-ever.
haha...
every single example you pointed out did, infact, did have monetary reasons... mostly for new (cheaper) trade routes. Columbus never set out for america, he discovered it by accident. Why do you think native Americans are called "Indians"?
+1 insightful? mods on crack...
rather than providing a laughably simplistic "i don't agree with you, therefore you are wrong" post as an AC, why not try to cite an economics text yourself?
oh, wait. how about this?
any better now? I'd do more, but it's simply not my job to teach you everything.
It's in my countries best interests that I be gainfully employed
I'd tend to disagree. Very little depends upon whether you (or any one of x number of high tech IT employees) is gainfully employed. You are degreed most likely, and a perfect canidate for professional training in another field.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Diction ary&va=free+trade
what exactly is your definition of free trade, and how can you reconcile it with what the rest of the world defines it as?
i believe its called something like "free trade"... all the anti-globalization hippies are actually opposed to this, because it lends itself to exploitation of international workers
americans just love the idea of free trade and open markets till it hits home and actually affects you, huh?
pgadmin
am I missing something? who exactly is matt fuller and why do his opinions make frontpage slashdot?
I checked his homepage... the biggest thing he's done is create a patch for Postfix so it "logs (and displays) its version number when it's started up"
was this not just published on slashdot to incite a flame war??? ~700 comments into the story (~300 of which are modded -1) tells me yes...
thats exactly what I was geting at. People (mac-heads) gripe at those who complain that Apples are more expensive. Well, for the average consumer (web surfing, e-mail, word processing) they are!!!
you show me any consumer who needs Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 with 4 GB of ram, I'll show you 100,000,000 people who don't.
seriously, I've got an 800 MHz pentium III with 512MB RAM and I can watch a dvd, burn a cd, listen to mp3's, have MS Visual Studio.NET and NetBeans open working on 2 different projects, host Oracle, SQLServer, and mySQL and the postgreSQL client, and be browsing on several web browsers for where the hell I went wrong with my code... AT THE SAME TIME.
its great bragging rights to have a dual 2 GHz Mac with 4 GHz RAM... but that is a fscking unrealistic comparison. Really now.
DELL
Intel(R) Celeron(R) Processor at 2.4GHz
Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home Edition
256MB Shared DDR SDRAM at 333MHz
40GB ATA/100 Value Hard Drive
48x CD-ROM Drive
DVD+RW Drive
17" monitor $399 after $100 rebate
Apple
256MB SDRAM - 1 DIMM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
1GHz PowerPC G4
$850 after rebate (DELL x 2)
welcome back my reality- where dropping 6 grand for a computer is simply not an option!
thats kinda what I'm getting at. you give me one I'll give you 2. otherwise its a baseless accusation. And yes I've googled.
Care to back that claim up? Or are you just a fucking moron? For every "forbidden" arms transaction between France and Iraq, the educated observer could cite 2 between the US and Iraq.
Standing the bottles up can be a little dangerous though. Who knows how you might fall on one?
... it was a million to one shot, doc... a million to one...
In such a tightly coupled region, there will always be vague and irrelevant connections. your link does not sway my opinion any more than the pictures of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam in the 1990's.
the fact of the matter is, most fox viewers were completely ignorant about some very important things.
exactly. every US media oulet will show you a burned down building and tell you that 15 people died there earlier. It was a life changing event when I saw BBC show the faces of the bloody survivors (and the bleeding dead) that changed my mind.
I live in Washington DC. I was at happy hour after work when Bush declared war on Iraq. Everyone at the bar cheered- and thats when I lost faith in what we are as a country. War is not to be celebrated- the end of war, sure, the victory- of course. But you don't go buying all your friends shots because your leader declares war. Whats wrong with all you fucks? Seriously. What is wrong with all you?
funny, you ommitted FOX news from your tirade. Funny because viewers of ABC, CBS, NBC were the best sources of news during the whole 9/11 Iraq thing, as three quarters of FOX news viewers had a firm belief that Osama and Saddam were connected. Most FOX viewers thought that saddam was behind 9/11. Where's the bias there?
just curious... because ABC, CBS, NBC viewers were not so badly misled.
Then you must also award GW with the job losses, the reduction in available jobs, and the increase in long term unemployed since he took office. OOPS! Not a good idea...
Or level an entire country, save generations of Iraqis, and stop a tyrannical ruler.
problem is we didn't have to go in guns a-blazin' all unilateral like to achieve that. Americans like to think that terrorism started on 9/11/01, but it has, in fact, been around since time immemoriam. It's a global problem, and should have been addressed within the U.N.
Personally, I'd rather have the 87 Billion spent on our power grid.
thanks for the tip. but you might want to inform the admins of that site that a place on the web called "m sex change dot com" might not get the hits they are expecting.
or maybe its just my mind in the gutter again...