I believe that you are American and that is why you are OK with America being one of the highest CO2 emitters (2x China's per person), no matter what it costs the planet.
More baseless accusations.
Why didn't you at least attempt to discuss the points raised in the post you replied to? You just have to reply to everything I say and call me a liar without the slightest bit of proof.
And you have the nerve to say I'm harassing you?
If you are all circle jerking in your echo chamber. Pointing out your lies and trying to get you to actually think for a change is definitely adding to the conversation.
Some people clearly don't like it. But those people need to wake the fuck up and face reality.
If not, then find some private safe space so you can continue lying to yourselves.
PS: Have you been flagging everything as harassment with no justification? Cause that's not harassment is it...
You clearly didn't read or understand my links. maybe basic logic was too hard for you?
The only reason America buys more EV cars is simply because they buy many many more cars in total.
As a percentage of new cars bought, China buys more electric cars that America. As shown in my post and link. Almost twice the level.
2017
2.1% of new cars in China were EV.
1.13% of new cars in America were EV
in 2016 they beat you 1.31% vs 0.9%
in 2015 they beat you 0.84% vs 0.68%
in 2014 they had less 0.23% vs 0.72%
China is higher and growing faster.
Exactly like I already said.
Someone could just as easily jump up and down screaming Americans per capita buy twice as many ICE cars as China. CO2 ! CO2 !
We wont stop global warming until ALL countries stop buying ICE cars Grrr *waves fist*
Remind me again why you are entitled to twice as many cars? Is it related to the reason you have and are entitled to twice the level of pollution?
And with ICE sales PER CAPITA and IN TOTAL, give me a BREAK. You nation China is the winner on that amongst ALL NATIONs.
That was your next lie. My link clearly showed per capita America buys over twice the number of cars.
Basically, your nation is getting worse. Hell, your gov allowed the manufacturing of CFCs even though you agreed to stop it. Now, you are dumping HUGE quantities in the air.
And your last lie, China's % is clearly growing ie getting better. Growing faster than yours even.
(lie #4 that hardly even counts compared to the others. China is not my nation.)
How the fuck CFC's are related to electric cars is something you may need to explain...
I'd better tell you that I think it's a discrace bla bla. Just to stop you coming up with lie #5 next time claiming I support it, like you claim I support coal.
Don't you get a sore arm from patting yourself on the back so often?
Facts are facts, America per capita produces over twice the CO2 as China. The problem is clearly you.
How much higher must you have been in the past if even after decreasing 30% you are still twice China's levels?
How much lower must China have been if after growing 500% (probably another made up number but who is counting at this stage) they are still only up to 1/2 your levels?
You can't be remotely serious that countries should only be able to be like they were some arbitrary number of years ago and never develop.
You're just an apologist for your filthy ways. You think you must be somehow entitled to pollute the most because you got dirty first.
Yes, i agree with your basic premise.
You have to read between the lines and realise Windy meant I personally was defending coal.
With both those things said, there are a lot of places that don't have only 'hammer and wrench technology' who can afford to do a better job. Lets hope batteries and other storage technologies continue to improve, and make renewable more of a viable alternative for stable power.
Just click the links and look idiot.
1 you admitted you were wrong, even though you lied about if for years and didn't bother to check.
The rest you just ran away.
Per capita, America is also the largest buyer of ICE cars as well.
Did you have a point?
What you probably failed to realise is that according to this. Passenger plug-in market share of total new car sales between 2013 and 2017 for selected countries and selected regional markets Shows in 2017, China had almost twice the percentage as America. (they overtook you in 2015 and have been pulling further away since.)
Of course you complete idiot. Asia has literally a couple billion more people. Americans obviously have a lot of AC already being a rich developed country. A lot of Asia is still too poor to be able to afford AC. As they get richer, they buy more AC !!
It's not like I haven't told you this over and over again. As people get richer their lifestyle changes and they become more like typical western lifestyles.
Please don't also be 'surprised' when they buy more cars. Or eat more meat, buy bigger houses, use more electricity, take more holidays, consume more crap.
Remind us all again though how it's OK for you to do those things, but not them.
Yes Windy. Pat yourself on the back yet again for dropping 5, 10, 20 years.
But continue to fail to realize you are still over twice as polluting per person as China and most of Europe.
Do you seriously expect other countries who never were as polluting as you to drop by similar amounts?
Let's see here. America dropped say 10 t per person. Do you think it's possible for India, Brazil, Sweden, France, Spain, UK, China, Germany, Japan or the Netherlands to drop 10 t per person?
You only drop a lot because you were so so very very dirty.
You expect India and Brazil to stay at their current consumption levels? Why or why not? Are they 'allowed' to borrow your term, to increase? Where are you going to draw your line and say who is allowed to increase and who isn't? Or do you really think that all the countries that aren't already as developed as you, shouldn't be allowed to develop?
Expecting the rest of the world to stop developing, while you slowly over the course of the rest of the century, drop down to something even remotely approaching the average. Is just not realistic in the slightest.
You just will not get all nations to drop. You need a more realistic goal if you want people to take you seriously.
Except those sources are irrelevant to what was in the post he replied to, and even quoted.
The links don't mention anything about per person.
The links don't consider how much electricity people in different countries actually use.
It's almost as if it was a pointless troll from someone who didn't even bother to read the discussion.
No, I mean exactly what I said.
If you look here at the global coal tracking site. you can see here where they track how much coal powered electricity countries use.
America's 1,344 operating is more than 1/4 of Chinas 4,271 (China has over 4x as many people)
American's get more electric power per person from coal, because they use so much more electricity than Chinese people do.
In your alternate reality where all your lies are true. I suppose patting America on the back for tiny decreases that still leave them as one of the highest per capita emitters, counts as ripping on them...
Americans per person still get more of their electricity from coal than Chinese people do. Even though you closed a bunch of plants, and China opened a bunch too.
You could at least read what you reply to.
At least you didn't use Windy's lie of 80% - 90% coal.
Who is defending coal plants?
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of people like you who use more coal powered electricity than a Chniese person, complaining that they are catching up to you.
Why are you entitled to twice the CO2 as a Chinese person, or European?
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I believe that you are American and that is why you are OK with America being one of the highest CO2 emitters (2x China's per person), no matter what it costs the planet.
More baseless accusations.
Why didn't you at least attempt to discuss the points raised in the post you replied to? You just have to reply to everything I say and call me a liar without the slightest bit of proof.
And you have the nerve to say I'm harassing you?
If you are all circle jerking in your echo chamber. Pointing out your lies and trying to get you to actually think for a change is definitely adding to the conversation.
Some people clearly don't like it. But those people need to wake the fuck up and face reality.
If not, then find some private safe space so you can continue lying to yourselves.
PS: Have you been flagging everything as harassment with no justification? Cause that's not harassment is it...
Did you forget to take some medication?
Again, you run a red herring and lie.
Where is the lie?
America is 1/5 of the population of CHina.
Clear and obvious lie by you.
You clearly didn't read or understand my links. maybe basic logic was too hard for you?
The only reason America buys more EV cars is simply because they buy many many more cars in total.
As a percentage of new cars bought, China buys more electric cars that America. As shown in my post and link. Almost twice the level.
2017
2.1% of new cars in China were EV.
1.13% of new cars in America were EV
in 2016 they beat you 1.31% vs 0.9%
in 2015 they beat you 0.84% vs 0.68%
in 2014 they had less 0.23% vs 0.72%
China is higher and growing faster.
Exactly like I already said.
Someone could just as easily jump up and down screaming Americans per capita buy twice as many ICE cars as China. CO2 ! CO2 !
We wont stop global warming until ALL countries stop buying ICE cars Grrr *waves fist*
Remind me again why you are entitled to twice as many cars? Is it related to the reason you have and are entitled to twice the level of pollution?
And with ICE sales PER CAPITA and IN TOTAL, give me a BREAK. You nation China is the winner on that amongst ALL NATIONs.
That was your next lie. My link clearly showed per capita America buys over twice the number of cars.
Basically, your nation is getting worse. Hell, your gov allowed the manufacturing of CFCs even though you agreed to stop it. Now, you are dumping HUGE quantities in the air.
And your last lie, China's % is clearly growing ie getting better. Growing faster than yours even.
(lie #4 that hardly even counts compared to the others. China is not my nation.)
How the fuck CFC's are related to electric cars is something you may need to explain...
I'd better tell you that I think it's a discrace bla bla. Just to stop you coming up with lie #5 next time claiming I support it, like you claim I support coal.
and you, are lying.
Show where?
And who are you to question it?
Oh an Anonymous Coward. I'm convinced.
Don't you get a sore arm from patting yourself on the back so often?
Facts are facts, America per capita produces over twice the CO2 as China. The problem is clearly you.
How much higher must you have been in the past if even after decreasing 30% you are still twice China's levels?
How much lower must China have been if after growing 500% (probably another made up number but who is counting at this stage) they are still only up to 1/2 your levels?
You can't be remotely serious that countries should only be able to be like they were some arbitrary number of years ago and never develop.
You're just an apologist for your filthy ways. You think you must be somehow entitled to pollute the most because you got dirty first.
So the solution is what I've told you numerous times. Split China into 4 countries North, South, East and West China. Done. Solved.
Now America is the biggest polluter at twice the next 4 countries (the 4 Chinas). How will you now solve your problem?
You had no solutions, just trolling?
Yes, i agree with your basic premise.
You have to read between the lines and realise Windy meant I personally was defending coal.
With both those things said, there are a lot of places that don't have only 'hammer and wrench technology' who can afford to do a better job. Lets hope batteries and other storage technologies continue to improve, and make renewable more of a viable alternative for stable power.
I noted before you got away with your lies for a very long time. When will you finally stop?
The only harassment is him constantly calling me a liar and a Chinese troll, with not the slightest bit of evidence.
Just click the links and look idiot.
1 you admitted you were wrong, even though you lied about if for years and didn't bother to check.
The rest you just ran away.
And continued with the same lies again next time.
Per capita, America is also the largest buyer of ICE cars as well.
Did you have a point?
What you probably failed to realise is that according to this. Passenger plug-in market share of total new car sales between 2013 and 2017 for selected countries and selected regional markets Shows in 2017, China had almost twice the percentage as America. (they overtook you in 2015 and have been pulling further away since.)
Of course you complete idiot. Asia has literally a couple billion more people. Americans obviously have a lot of AC already being a rich developed country. A lot of Asia is still too poor to be able to afford AC. As they get richer, they buy more AC !!
It's not like I haven't told you this over and over again. As people get richer their lifestyle changes and they become more like typical western lifestyles.
Please don't also be 'surprised' when they buy more cars. Or eat more meat, buy bigger houses, use more electricity, take more holidays, consume more crap.
Remind us all again though how it's OK for you to do those things, but not them.
Yes Windy. Pat yourself on the back yet again for dropping 5, 10, 20 years.
But continue to fail to realize you are still over twice as polluting per person as China and most of Europe.
Do you seriously expect other countries who never were as polluting as you to drop by similar amounts?
Let's see here. America dropped say 10 t per person. Do you think it's possible for India, Brazil, Sweden, France, Spain, UK, China, Germany, Japan or the Netherlands to drop 10 t per person?
You only drop a lot because you were so so very very dirty.
You expect India and Brazil to stay at their current consumption levels? Why or why not? Are they 'allowed' to borrow your term, to increase? Where are you going to draw your line and say who is allowed to increase and who isn't? Or do you really think that all the countries that aren't already as developed as you, shouldn't be allowed to develop?
Expecting the rest of the world to stop developing, while you slowly over the course of the rest of the century, drop down to something even remotely approaching the average. Is just not realistic in the slightest.
You just will not get all nations to drop. You need a more realistic goal if you want people to take you seriously.
You don't get to be the dirtiest Windy, just because you were first...
Does the transcript also go to any *cough* other parties as well?
Except those sources are irrelevant to what was in the post he replied to, and even quoted.
The links don't mention anything about per person.
The links don't consider how much electricity people in different countries actually use.
It's almost as if it was a pointless troll from someone who didn't even bother to read the discussion.
Much like your own.
No, I mean exactly what I said.
If you look here at the global coal tracking site. you can see here where they track how much coal powered electricity countries use.
America's 1,344 operating is more than 1/4 of Chinas 4,271 (China has over 4x as many people)
American's get more electric power per person from coal, because they use so much more electricity than Chinese people do.
In your alternate reality where all your lies are true. I suppose patting America on the back for tiny decreases that still leave them as one of the highest per capita emitters, counts as ripping on them...
Americans per person still get more of their electricity from coal than Chinese people do. Even though you closed a bunch of plants, and China opened a bunch too.
You could at least read what you reply to.
At least you didn't use Windy's lie of 80% - 90% coal.
And what is America's / Windy's response?
Do they think it's at all serious that per country America should be the same as Australia? No they say fuck off, Australia is a tiny country.
Still notice you still don't dispute all your lies ...
Who is defending coal plants?
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of people like you who use more coal powered electricity than a Chniese person, complaining that they are catching up to you.
Why are you entitled to twice the CO2 as a Chinese person, or European?