original poster - "but i'll bet it's expensive since they actually finance the "vehicles"."
and
my post - "I think the point of the show is that you are given only limited finances to build this vehicle"
did you not read?
Dumbass, I never said anything about them restricting how much you can spend. I said they are only going to give you a limited amount of money. The site even says - "We will be giving you enough money to build a no-frills vehicle". So the cost to the show is a lot more limited than what the original poster assumed.
Why don't you read the whole thread before posting you ignorant attempt at trolling?
Damn, i'd love to go see the show, but i'll bet it's expensive since they actually finance the "vehicles".
I think the point of the show is that you are given only limited finances to build this vehicle. They aren't giving you enough to go out and buy a brand new landrover or an armored assault vehicle.
Think along the lines of Trading Spaces (I don't watch it but my girlfriend is obsessed). They give you $1,000 to redecorate the room.
The way I understand freenet is that when an object is requested it is cached along the way so that it will be faster to get on future requests. Since there is only a finite amount of cache space each subsequent request pushes one off the bottom. If an item is popular it will stay on the cache of many of the peers wheras an unpopular might disappear from all but the original.
As for allocating bandwidth, I am not sure how this would ever be done in a practical setting. I would to drive traffic to my site so that I can get more bandwidth but I think my ISP would start balking at some point.
The real problem right now is that we are using two dimensional tools. Our monitor, while it can give the illusion of 3d is still 2d. Our mouse is 2d, with the exception of using the scroll button in 3d games. Information itself is 2d (not talking about the collection/architecture of information but the information itself).
The other problem is that the web is not 2d or 3d. It is more like n dimensional. So to represent it in 3d versus 2d is really not solving any problem.
In the end, this is just another fluffy tool that can be used to make neat 3d online games.
The server case I use from Antec (lost as to what model and too busy today to look it up) also has the space for the fans but no fans. The fans are cheap enough of course.
I believe that Promise makes the SuperTRAK Pro series of ATA RAID cards that support up to 6 drives and RAID 5. I haven't used them personally but they do exist.
I agree that on a server or a professional workstation SCSI is the way to go for speed and reliability. But for the home consumer who wants to work with digital video the cost of a SCSI RAID set up is extremely prohibitive.
Just get an IDE RAID card for less than $50. That frees up primary and secondary for DVD,Burner,etc. That is assuming of course that you have a free PCI slot.
Here it is for the tenth time and then I won't look at this thread again. Assuming constant demand in both markets. Mac turnover is low. This can be because of better quality, hardware longevity, or it just be because Mac users are often home users that like to hold on to their hardware. Because of this low turnover the second hand market, as a percentage of the total market, is low. In the PC market, you have many companies recycling computers every 3 years and higher turnover even in the consumer market. Therefore PC second hand market as a percentage of total market is higher. This means that, since demand is demand and it isn't changing the difference in supply causes an increase in the price. If there are 100 people who want an SE 30 but only 15 available then the price will be higher than if there are 100 available. Notice demand never changed but price did.
There is a special Ebay clause however. Lately, ebay prices have gone beyond what is the true market price because of the "me too" effect. It is a commonly known fact amongst ebay sellers that to receive higher bids you have to start with a lower price. The lower price will attract more bidders. More bidders convinces people that it must be a quality product since everybody else is bidding on it. Towards the end of the auction people will start to get especially competitive and continue bidding even though the object could be purchase at an equal or lower price elsewhere. In situations like that, as I said in the first post, you can throw out the Ebay price ot subtract 10% to get the true market price.
Does any of that make sense to you? It is going to have to do because I am done with this thread. I have a feeling that we don't really disagree but that this medium is just awful for communicating ideas without typing 600 line posts and when you right 600 line posts the other person will invariably ignore half of it and formulate an argument based on one part of it.
Nice. Posting anonymously now? I actually was explaining why macs often have a HIGHER resale value since they have less turnover in the consumer market reducing the supply while the demand is still fairly constant as compared to a PC market that has high turnover and therefore high supply with a fairly constant demand. That coupled with higher prices to start with create higher prices on old macs.
Thank you for proving that your reading comprehension is that of a 5 yr old.
Oh man. You just keep proving how stupid you are. I was never talking about sticker price. I have always been talking about fair market price. That is what Ebay is.
Instead of arguing with you anymore I am just going to post links to Economics sites. I have neither the time nor the energy to ague with someone who can't comprehend something this simple:
Did you even read the other posts, ass? Nowhere did I say that ONLY supply affects price. Anybody with even the most basic knowledge of business, let alone economics, could tell you that assuming a fixed demand, lower supply increases price.
I think I remember you from some other mindless debate. I really wish people like you would stop wasting the bandwidth and starting reading a book or something.
It doesn't really matter what they have done in the past. If they want to continue in the future they have to face this head on. If they retreat back to russia and never fight this then they just made selling this and any other product they sell illegal in the US.
Dammit. You got me riled up enough that I am going to post again. Here is an example of how supply can effect price without demand doing anything. If I am a farmer and I have a bumper crop I might have so much supply that I will lower the price in order for it to sell. Demand will now grow because of the change in price. I might instead decide to destroy half of my crop just so that I can raise prices.
If you want it more in techno terms then think about it along the lines of PS2. The low supply at initial release actual drove the price higher than retail on Ebay.
When you are measuring Supply's effect on price you assume a constant demand. When you measure Demand's effect on price you assume a constant supply.
A little late to the party, eh? I recommend that you read some of the other posts in this and related threads. I also recommend taking a basic economics course at the local community college. I think then maybe you can come back and post intelligently.
I won't bother reposting everything that has been said already. Do me a favor and read, then post.
Apache is far more than just a "linux app". It is actually a free-software foundation that creates an HTTP Server that can be used on Linux (and many, many other platforms including Windows). The HTTP Server is historically a modification of the original NCSA HTTP Server. Its named is a tribute to its origin as "a patchy" server.
Therefore it isn't a "linux app" and it isn't all original.
First, not all old macs used the same hardware as old PC's. Way back in the 68K days you couldn't just swap parts with PC's.
Second, we are talking about entire computers. We are talking about the supply of entire old mac computers.
Third, without considering mac supply vs pc supply we are talking about simple economics of mac supply. As supply decreases, assuming a constant demand, price increases. Of course, as we move towards equilibrium, a higher price will decrease demand until, ideally, supply equals demand at the market price.
Finally, those of use who passed more than the elementary microeconomics class will tell you that there is a lot more going on than simple supply and demand. We could talk about quality driving demand and therefore raising price. We could talk about how Microsoft and Sony drive demand by decreasing supply and creating the "me too" effect. We could talk about tax and government intervention affects all of this. But nobody even cares about any of this. From the simplest economics class we learn all we need for this discussion.
To hopefully cut off any further posts I will clarify everything will a lesson. Let's start with this statement:
"The crucial ideas are that supply and demand are determined independently. The sellers determine the supply. The buyers determine the demand. In a free competitive market, the price of whatever it is moves up or down until the amount supplied equals the amount demanded. When the price stops moving, you have what is called equilibrium."
If we look at the supply of older macs on Ebay we find that there isn't a lot out there, especially when you look at 68K. Since we don't know demand, we can say that a small supply will cause a higher price.
Let's use the SE30 some other gentleman mentioned. I found about 15 of them currently on Ebay. Now, I personally think the SE30 was a quality machine and still has a demand today. The low supply will drive price up. I am sure that the demand is more than 15 people (and I can tell because most of them have bids) and that also will drive the price up until supply meets demand at the market's price. By the way, the price is about $25 not $200 as the other gentleman quoted.
There is no direct correlation. The demand market is people looking to buy an old computer on Ebay. These aren't the same people selling the computers on Ebay. Take an economics class and then come back.
Actually, I wasn't only referring to versus PC market. Second Hard Mac Market as a % is much smaller also. Many mac owners schools and home users that would not normally upgrade any computer for a long period of time. PC second hand market on the other contains most corporations that upgrade on a 3 year cycle regardless of whether they need to or not.
It isn't just about less Mac's than PC's but also different life cycles.
Are you reading the thread? We are talking about entire systems. I will try again in smaller words. Lot less Apples in World. Since less Apples then less to sell second hand. When something has less than it is limited in supply. People who go to school know that lower supply can drive higher price.
I mentioned components only meaning that I can build a complete system from components without ever buying from Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc. Up until the latest slashdot article that wasn't true about Apple. It is also a completely different story when you try to upgrade an iMac internally. Also remember that it is only in the last few years that Apple used standard equipment.
1) Second hand Apple market is about 1/20th the size of the second hand PC market therefore supply is lower, price is higher.
2) Everybody and their mother sells PC components but there are relatively few Apple resellers and pretty much no Apple component sellers.
2) Prices on Ebay are incredibly inflated for everything. I seen items like digital cameras go for $400 when I could buy the same camera from Best Buy for $360 and online for $300.
Wow. Thanks for saving me the typing. Too bad you wasted it as an AC. I would only add that you should never agree to be exclusive with a headhunter. They are a dime a dozen and if one is steering you the wrong then tell them to bug off and find a new one.
As for small companies (the other gentleman's post) - if you are looking for a small company job then you are probably better off looking through the trade press for the business you are in.
I think the best way is to find one or more headhunters. Let them do some of the grunt work. They can be very annoying and may push you in the wrong direction sometimes but they can also be very helpful. They usually will help you modify your resume by pulling out the crap (i.e. captain of chess club in 7th grade) and juicing up the rest.
Good headhunters usually have long standing relationships with the employers and if they like you they will get you hired. On the other hand, if they don't like you then you are f-ed. Even though they are out to make a buck and sell jobs they also don't want to place a crap candidate because it will hurt their image (which is poor as it is).
I actually am happy in my job but have a great headhunter. She is a higher level head hunter and she is totally no bullshit. She calls once a month and let's me know that there is stuff available and when the time comes I will go to her. She is unique of course since most headhunters are dumbass, shit for brains, who couldn't find a real job so they became a headhunter.
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what part of
original poster - "but i'll bet it's expensive since they actually finance the "vehicles"."
and
my post - "I think the point of the show is that you are given only limited finances to build this vehicle"
did you not read?
Dumbass, I never said anything about them restricting how much you can spend. I said they are only going to give you a limited amount of money. The site even says - "We will be giving you enough money to build a no-frills vehicle". So the cost to the show is a lot more limited than what the original poster assumed.
Why don't you read the whole thread before posting you ignorant attempt at trolling?
Damn, i'd love to go see the show, but i'll bet it's expensive since they actually finance the "vehicles".
I think the point of the show is that you are given only limited finances to build this vehicle. They aren't giving you enough to go out and buy a brand new landrover or an armored assault vehicle.
Think along the lines of Trading Spaces (I don't watch it but my girlfriend is obsessed). They give you $1,000 to redecorate the room.
The way I understand freenet is that when an object is requested it is cached along the way so that it will be faster to get on future requests. Since there is only a finite amount of cache space each subsequent request pushes one off the bottom. If an item is popular it will stay on the cache of many of the peers wheras an unpopular might disappear from all but the original.
As for allocating bandwidth, I am not sure how this would ever be done in a practical setting. I would to drive traffic to my site so that I can get more bandwidth but I think my ISP would start balking at some point.
The real problem right now is that we are using two dimensional tools. Our monitor, while it can give the illusion of 3d is still 2d. Our mouse is 2d, with the exception of using the scroll button in 3d games. Information itself is 2d (not talking about the collection/architecture of information but the information itself).
The other problem is that the web is not 2d or 3d. It is more like n dimensional. So to represent it in 3d versus 2d is really not solving any problem.
In the end, this is just another fluffy tool that can be used to make neat 3d online games.
The server case I use from Antec (lost as to what model and too busy today to look it up) also has the space for the fans but no fans. The fans are cheap enough of course.
I believe that Promise makes the SuperTRAK Pro series of ATA RAID cards that support up to 6 drives and RAID 5. I haven't used them personally but they do exist.
I agree that on a server or a professional workstation SCSI is the way to go for speed and reliability. But for the home consumer who wants to work with digital video the cost of a SCSI RAID set up is extremely prohibitive.
Just get an IDE RAID card for less than $50. That frees up primary and secondary for DVD,Burner,etc. That is assuming of course that you have a free PCI slot.
Here it is for the tenth time and then I won't look at this thread again. Assuming constant demand in both markets. Mac turnover is low. This can be because of better quality, hardware longevity, or it just be because Mac users are often home users that like to hold on to their hardware. Because of this low turnover the second hand market, as a percentage of the total market, is low. In the PC market, you have many companies recycling computers every 3 years and higher turnover even in the consumer market. Therefore PC second hand market as a percentage of total market is higher. This means that, since demand is demand and it isn't changing the difference in supply causes an increase in the price. If there are 100 people who want an SE 30 but only 15 available then the price will be higher than if there are 100 available. Notice demand never changed but price did.
There is a special Ebay clause however. Lately, ebay prices have gone beyond what is the true market price because of the "me too" effect. It is a commonly known fact amongst ebay sellers that to receive higher bids you have to start with a lower price. The lower price will attract more bidders. More bidders convinces people that it must be a quality product since everybody else is bidding on it. Towards the end of the auction people will start to get especially competitive and continue bidding even though the object could be purchase at an equal or lower price elsewhere. In situations like that, as I said in the first post, you can throw out the Ebay price ot subtract 10% to get the true market price.
Does any of that make sense to you? It is going to have to do because I am done with this thread. I have a feeling that we don't really disagree but that this medium is just awful for communicating ideas without typing 600 line posts and when you right 600 line posts the other person will invariably ignore half of it and formulate an argument based on one part of it.
Nice. Posting anonymously now? I actually was explaining why macs often have a HIGHER resale value since they have less turnover in the consumer market reducing the supply while the demand is still fairly constant as compared to a PC market that has high turnover and therefore high supply with a fairly constant demand. That coupled with higher prices to start with create higher prices on old macs.
Thank you for proving that your reading comprehension is that of a 5 yr old.
Oh man. You just keep proving how stupid you are. I was never talking about sticker price. I have always been talking about fair market price. That is what Ebay is.
Instead of arguing with you anymore I am just going to post links to Economics sites. I have neither the time nor the energy to ague with someone who can't comprehend something this simple:
Link 1
Link 2
That first one has even a neat little graph that shows you how price goes up as supply goes down.
I leave you with this, though. Is a Babe Ruth baseball card worth a lot because of super high demand or because of super low supply.
Did you even read the other posts, ass? Nowhere did I say that ONLY supply affects price. Anybody with even the most basic knowledge of business, let alone economics, could tell you that assuming a fixed demand, lower supply increases price.
I think I remember you from some other mindless debate. I really wish people like you would stop wasting the bandwidth and starting reading a book or something.
It doesn't really matter what they have done in the past. If they want to continue in the future they have to face this head on. If they retreat back to russia and never fight this then they just made selling this and any other product they sell illegal in the US.
Dammit. You got me riled up enough that I am going to post again. Here is an example of how supply can effect price without demand doing anything. If I am a farmer and I have a bumper crop I might have so much supply that I will lower the price in order for it to sell. Demand will now grow because of the change in price. I might instead decide to destroy half of my crop just so that I can raise prices.
If you want it more in techno terms then think about it along the lines of PS2. The low supply at initial release actual drove the price higher than retail on Ebay.
When you are measuring Supply's effect on price you assume a constant demand. When you measure Demand's effect on price you assume a constant supply.
A little late to the party, eh? I recommend that you read some of the other posts in this and related threads. I also recommend taking a basic economics course at the local community college. I think then maybe you can come back and post intelligently.
I won't bother reposting everything that has been said already. Do me a favor and read, then post.
Apache is far more than just a "linux app". It is actually a free-software foundation that creates an HTTP Server that can be used on Linux (and many, many other platforms including Windows). The HTTP Server is historically a modification of the original NCSA HTTP Server. Its named is a tribute to its origin as "a patchy" server.
Therefore it isn't a "linux app" and it isn't all original.
Nice uneducated response. Windows NT 3.5 and NT 4 did at one time have a PPC version. Here is a site that talks about it. I couldn't find much else.
First, not all old macs used the same hardware as old PC's. Way back in the 68K days you couldn't just swap parts with PC's.
Second, we are talking about entire computers. We are talking about the supply of entire old mac computers.
Third, without considering mac supply vs pc supply we are talking about simple economics of mac supply. As supply decreases, assuming a constant demand, price increases. Of course, as we move towards equilibrium, a higher price will decrease demand until, ideally, supply equals demand at the market price.
Finally, those of use who passed more than the elementary microeconomics class will tell you that there is a lot more going on than simple supply and demand. We could talk about quality driving demand and therefore raising price. We could talk about how Microsoft and Sony drive demand by decreasing supply and creating the "me too" effect. We could talk about tax and government intervention affects all of this. But nobody even cares about any of this. From the simplest economics class we learn all we need for this discussion.
Read my post below for a lesson in Supply and Demand.
To hopefully cut off any further posts I will clarify everything will a lesson. Let's start with this statement:
"The crucial ideas are that supply and demand are determined independently. The sellers determine the supply. The buyers determine the demand. In a free competitive market, the price of whatever it is moves up or down until the amount supplied equals the amount demanded. When the price stops moving, you have what is called equilibrium."
If we look at the supply of older macs on Ebay we find that there isn't a lot out there, especially when you look at 68K. Since we don't know demand, we can say that a small supply will cause a higher price.
Let's use the SE30 some other gentleman mentioned. I found about 15 of them currently on Ebay. Now, I personally think the SE30 was a quality machine and still has a demand today. The low supply will drive price up. I am sure that the demand is more than 15 people (and I can tell because most of them have bids) and that also will drive the price up until supply meets demand at the market's price. By the way, the price is about $25 not $200 as the other gentleman quoted.
I hope this clarifies things.
There is no direct correlation. The demand market is people looking to buy an old computer on Ebay. These aren't the same people selling the computers on Ebay. Take an economics class and then come back.
Actually, I wasn't only referring to versus PC market. Second Hard Mac Market as a % is much smaller also. Many mac owners schools and home users that would not normally upgrade any computer for a long period of time. PC second hand market on the other contains most corporations that upgrade on a 3 year cycle regardless of whether they need to or not.
It isn't just about less Mac's than PC's but also different life cycles.
Are you reading the thread? We are talking about entire systems. I will try again in smaller words. Lot less Apples in World. Since less Apples then less to sell second hand. When something has less than it is limited in supply. People who go to school know that lower supply can drive higher price.
I mentioned components only meaning that I can build a complete system from components without ever buying from Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc. Up until the latest slashdot article that wasn't true about Apple. It is also a completely different story when you try to upgrade an iMac internally. Also remember that it is only in the last few years that Apple used standard equipment.
Now who's a troll?
A few things for you to consider:
1) Second hand Apple market is about 1/20th the size of the second hand PC market therefore supply is lower, price is higher.
2) Everybody and their mother sells PC components but there are relatively few Apple resellers and pretty much no Apple component sellers.
2) Prices on Ebay are incredibly inflated for everything. I seen items like digital cameras go for $400 when I could buy the same camera from Best Buy for $360 and online for $300.
Wow. Thanks for saving me the typing. Too bad you wasted it as an AC. I would only add that you should never agree to be exclusive with a headhunter. They are a dime a dozen and if one is steering you the wrong then tell them to bug off and find a new one.
As for small companies (the other gentleman's post) - if you are looking for a small company job then you are probably better off looking through the trade press for the business you are in.
I think the best way is to find one or more headhunters. Let them do some of the grunt work. They can be very annoying and may push you in the wrong direction sometimes but they can also be very helpful. They usually will help you modify your resume by pulling out the crap (i.e. captain of chess club in 7th grade) and juicing up the rest.
Good headhunters usually have long standing relationships with the employers and if they like you they will get you hired. On the other hand, if they don't like you then you are f-ed. Even though they are out to make a buck and sell jobs they also don't want to place a crap candidate because it will hurt their image (which is poor as it is).
I actually am happy in my job but have a great headhunter. She is a higher level head hunter and she is totally no bullshit. She calls once a month and let's me know that there is stuff available and when the time comes I will go to her. She is unique of course since most headhunters are dumbass, shit for brains, who couldn't find a real job so they became a headhunter.