That's pretty nasty, never thought about SPAMMER's using that technique before. Pretty tricky.
What I think all ISPs should do is block outgoing SMTP on their dial-up routers for all connections. Only permit SMTP connections to their (the provider's) email server. Then they can detect mass mailings and figure out who's doing it much easier.
Maybe even a 14 day "waiting period" before accepting email on all new accounts. Enough time to verify those credit cards.
Yep, I've been getting tons of similar crap from prserv.net. I've been complaining to the ISPs for years. Most are pretty slow, some don't do crap (you hear me sprintlink???, talk about idiots running their network).
I've finally decided the law is the only way to get these people to stop sending SPAM. Technical solutions don't work, people just find ways around them. We need legislation to give SPAMMERs a reason to think twice before sending crap.
Lucky for me I live in CA. I've gotten SPAM from 2 other companies here in CA and I'm ready to take them to court just as soon as I can figure out the details of small claims court.
I'm sick of getting tons of SPAM and long ago decided to fight back. Unfortunately the California law is more designed for ISPs than the recipients of SPAM.
I did however, run across a lawyer online named Tim Walton who claims to take on anti-SPAM cases in California. Anyone know anything about him or ever used his services before? There's a couple of California SPAMMERs I'm determined to get.
You're totally right Bryan. In fact, my original submission of this story was edited down.
In my original submission I pointed out how the notice of this Oracle exploit occured the same day as the XP hole, yet guess which one made it to/.?
Apparently whoever decides which submissions are valid edited this little fact out. Granted, the XP hole is HUGE and Microsoft is absolutely clueless when it comes to security, but Ellison and the trade mags hyped 9i's being "unbreakable" to the moon. It took forever for/. to pickup the problem with the Mac/ipod as well as the Linux kernel problem with lost data, but if Bill Gates breaks wind there's 15 critiques on/. within seconds.
The people who run/. have a right to post what they want, edit what they want and do whatever the heck they choose. It's their servers and their bandwidth. I don't want to foster the age-old MS vs Linux vs Mac vs BSD debate. Use whatever the hell works best for you and your company, get off your high horse, and let other people use what they want. Opinions are truely like assholes (everyone has them, especially me).
My rambling point is that/. has become a news site. People look to this place to see what's going on in the world and the Internet. Too many people today (including the media) have forgotten that news is supposed to be OBJECTIVE. That means you report all of it, even the stuff you don't like, and you leave the spin and editing for the comments/editorials. I see a lot about censorship on slashdot, but not reporting, modding down or editing other people's posts because you disagree with their opinion is just that. Lets get back to seeing all the facts on the front page and the rants in the comments.
I hate telemarketers and SPAMMERs. Quite a few telemarketers just hang up when I ask them to remove me from their list. Is there any way to make the phone company tell you who is calling? If there's a law against it there should be some way of finding out who is calling you. I live in PacHell land, and their operators could care less about it. I've spent hours on the phone trying, and can't get anyone to help. Has anyone else had any success?
How can people trust software with holes? You mean like the Linux kernel? (corrupted filesystem in 2.4.15) or the MAC iPod installer (erases disk drive), or just about every other piece of software out there?
Of course everyone brags that OS XYZ has "fewer" bugs. That's like saying a mass murderer killed "fewer" people.
Face facts. All software has bugs. I gotta laugh at this one though. Although it's not Linux specific there are a lot of sites running wu-ftpd. Someone could write something just as bad as Nimda. Reassuring to know that my Microsoft software isn't the only piece in the world with big holes in it.
And anyway, everyone knows real men run AIX.;-)
This is a touchy subject for most companies, everyone wants to play politics since websites are high-visibility.
I've seen it at companies where the web team was part of IT, a separate group, and once where they reported to marketing. There are pros and cons to each of them, it really depends on what kind of company you're with and how strong the group leaders are.
IMHO things work really well if the IT group is *competent* and has a good director/manager and you're part of that group. You get fast response for your needs on the IT side, and protection from marketing's wild ideas (let's go with an all flash website!). It will work best though if you have a good, strong IT manager who will listen to you, stand up for your team, and make sure you get the support you need. This is good for a corporation because marketing can dicatate the content, you can manage the web technology and IT can support you and the systems.
The separate group can work, but really only if you're in a small company or if you have a high-level boss. You're going to be stuck between IT not wanting you to change things, and marketing's wild ideas. Usually marketing has a high-level VP close to the CEO, unless you have someone big enough to fight for you you'll be at their mercy.
Which is just as bad as being under marketing IMHO. Marketing usually doesn't have a clue about technology, and they come up with wild ideas about how fast things can be done or random toying with tech just "because".
Again, it really depends on your corporate structure and the people involved. Personally I think you can forget about crap like VP of Web Services. I can't believe companies waste their time with this crap. You know how much $$$ I've seen on VP of Janitorial Engineering, VP of Food Services, Chief Privacy Officer, etc. etc. Most companies need less time-wasting VP's and Chief's and more Indians getting things done.
I'm on a personal anti-SPAMMER crusade. I'm just ticked that hackers waste their time launching DDOS attacking on corporate websites and writing virii.
Maybe they should use their skills for a noble purpose, like pounding SPAMMERS. Just create a throw-away email account, post a few messages to USENET, and plenty of targets for DDOS or hacking. Redirect the SPAMMER's webpage to point to SPAMCop or suespammers.org.
I posted a single message to USENET with my real email address 5 years ago, and I still get 5-10 SPAMs per day.
Hackers and crackers, do the world a favor, go after SPAMMERs. Find their real names and expose them for the world to see.
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That's pretty nasty, never thought about SPAMMER's using that technique before. Pretty tricky.
What I think all ISPs should do is block outgoing SMTP on their dial-up routers for all connections. Only permit SMTP connections to their (the provider's) email server. Then they can detect mass mailings and figure out who's doing it much easier.
Maybe even a 14 day "waiting period" before accepting email on all new accounts. Enough time to verify those credit cards.
Yep, I've been getting tons of similar crap from prserv.net. I've been complaining to the ISPs for years. Most are pretty slow, some don't do crap (you hear me sprintlink???, talk about idiots running their network).
I've finally decided the law is the only way to get these people to stop sending SPAM. Technical solutions don't work, people just find ways around them. We need legislation to give SPAMMERs a reason to think twice before sending crap.
Lucky for me I live in CA. I've gotten SPAM from 2 other companies here in CA and I'm ready to take them to court just as soon as I can figure out the details of small claims court.
I'm sick of getting tons of SPAM and long ago decided to fight back. Unfortunately the California law is more designed for ISPs than the recipients of SPAM.
I did however, run across a lawyer online named Tim Walton who claims to take on anti-SPAM cases in California. Anyone know anything about him or ever used his services before? There's a couple of California SPAMMERs I'm determined to get.
You're totally right Bryan. In fact, my original submission of this story was edited down. /.? /. to pickup the problem with the Mac/ipod as well as the Linux kernel problem with lost data, but if Bill Gates breaks wind there's 15 critiques on /. within seconds. /. have a right to post what they want, edit what they want and do whatever the heck they choose. It's their servers and their bandwidth. I don't want to foster the age-old MS vs Linux vs Mac vs BSD debate. Use whatever the hell works best for you and your company, get off your high horse, and let other people use what they want. Opinions are truely like assholes (everyone has them, especially me). /. has become a news site. People look to this place to see what's going on in the world and the Internet. Too many people today (including the media) have forgotten that news is supposed to be OBJECTIVE. That means you report all of it, even the stuff you don't like, and you leave the spin and editing for the comments/editorials. I see a lot about censorship on slashdot, but not reporting, modding down or editing other people's posts because you disagree with their opinion is just that. Lets get back to seeing all the facts on the front page and the rants in the comments.
In my original submission I pointed out how the notice of this Oracle exploit occured the same day as the XP hole, yet guess which one made it to
Apparently whoever decides which submissions are valid edited this little fact out. Granted, the XP hole is HUGE and Microsoft is absolutely clueless when it comes to security, but Ellison and the trade mags hyped 9i's being "unbreakable" to the moon. It took forever for
The people who run
My rambling point is that
I hate telemarketers and SPAMMERs. Quite a few telemarketers just hang up when I ask them to remove me from their list. Is there any way to make the phone company tell you who is calling? If there's a law against it there should be some way of finding out who is calling you. I live in PacHell land, and their operators could care less about it. I've spent hours on the phone trying, and can't get anyone to help. Has anyone else had any success?
How can people trust software with holes? You mean like the Linux kernel? (corrupted filesystem in 2.4.15) or the MAC iPod installer (erases disk drive), or just about every other piece of software out there? ;-)
Of course everyone brags that OS XYZ has "fewer" bugs. That's like saying a mass murderer killed "fewer" people.
Face facts. All software has bugs. I gotta laugh at this one though. Although it's not Linux specific there are a lot of sites running wu-ftpd. Someone could write something just as bad as Nimda. Reassuring to know that my Microsoft software isn't the only piece in the world with big holes in it.
And anyway, everyone knows real men run AIX.
This is a touchy subject for most companies, everyone wants to play politics since websites are high-visibility.
I've seen it at companies where the web team was part of IT, a separate group, and once where they reported to marketing. There are pros and cons to each of them, it really depends on what kind of company you're with and how strong the group leaders are.
IMHO things work really well if the IT group is *competent* and has a good director/manager and you're part of that group. You get fast response for your needs on the IT side, and protection from marketing's wild ideas (let's go with an all flash website!). It will work best though if you have a good, strong IT manager who will listen to you, stand up for your team, and make sure you get the support you need. This is good for a corporation because marketing can dicatate the content, you can manage the web technology and IT can support you and the systems.
The separate group can work, but really only if you're in a small company or if you have a high-level boss. You're going to be stuck between IT not wanting you to change things, and marketing's wild ideas. Usually marketing has a high-level VP close to the CEO, unless you have someone big enough to fight for you you'll be at their mercy.
Which is just as bad as being under marketing IMHO. Marketing usually doesn't have a clue about technology, and they come up with wild ideas about how fast things can be done or random toying with tech just "because".
Again, it really depends on your corporate structure and the people involved. Personally I think you can forget about crap like VP of Web Services. I can't believe companies waste their time with this crap. You know how much $$$ I've seen on VP of Janitorial Engineering, VP of Food Services, Chief Privacy Officer, etc. etc. Most companies need less time-wasting VP's and Chief's and more Indians getting things done.
I'm on a personal anti-SPAMMER crusade. I'm just ticked that hackers waste their time launching DDOS attacking on corporate websites and writing virii. Maybe they should use their skills for a noble purpose, like pounding SPAMMERS. Just create a throw-away email account, post a few messages to USENET, and plenty of targets for DDOS or hacking. Redirect the SPAMMER's webpage to point to SPAMCop or suespammers.org. I posted a single message to USENET with my real email address 5 years ago, and I still get 5-10 SPAMs per day. Hackers and crackers, do the world a favor, go after SPAMMERs. Find their real names and expose them for the world to see.