Did the crackers use Linux to break into these companies?
And the second question is, if these companies had been running Linux, would the crackers have been able to get in? (edgy ducks and runs while the M$ and Linux zealots fight it out)
The U.S. is too busy destroying the freedom of their constituents. I see nothing like that happening without a major change of administration even in the United States.
Have you considered that Linux is overtaking the server market and not the client market? When you have to pay thousands for NT server, getting something more reliable, less expensive, and easily administered remotely from anywhere is something any sane administrator would do in a heartbeat.
Granted, Linux doesn't fit everywhere yet, but it can be used for many server applications right now.
It also adds to your skillset, and your employer loves you if you're saving money, so you can demand more money for your skills.
The desktop market is a different story. Given enough time, it can certainly gain market share there as well.
Re:Looking At It In Different Ways
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I've set up a Samba server for over 100 NT clients as a PDC. All the clients are using shares of the server to save data and copy programs from the server, etc., and we've never had any real crashes or issues that haven't been taken care of.
The speed of the server hasn't been a problem for us, but we're only using 1 100Mbit ethernet card in it.
I think some of the limitations you may be experiencing may be due to Linux and the fact that it doesn't multithread network cards yet.
Running Samba under Solaris or an operating system that can support much bigger machines than Intel does can give you even more scalability with more clients than Windows NT servers can. You also get great reliability. I haven't had any problems with the setup we have here as far as reliability or compatibility.
I hope some cleaner themes come out by the time KDE 2.0 comes out. I mean, it doesn't look very bad, but the designers need some professionals with graphics design to make some really snazzy looking themes so that desktop looks more professional.
Wrong. I've been able to set up roaming profiles on an NT domain using Samba and all as the server.
This is different that Netscape's version. With this, anyone, anywhere, with teh right login and password, can authenticate against the web server and retrieve all of their settings and bookmarks and use the browser as if they were at their machine. No matter what OS they're running on. This is much more powerful than the roaming profiles of NT domains.
I think they had a long article in Linux Journal about using GRASS under Linux instead of the commercial alternatives, and even in the state that it is in currently, it saved them a lot of money and allowed them to use scripts and tools like Tk and others to be able to automate things to allow them to process a lot more data a lot more quickly.
The project was completed tens of thousands of dollars under budget and they experienced none of the problems they used to see with other systems.
This is a good thing. They spoke very highly of GRASS and its potential. I'm not in the field at all, but this is another victory for free software.
Of course, you'd need to eat something like 15 bananas to get the effects of 150mg of 5HTP. 5HTP is the direct precursor to serotonin and it does work for me, and also supposedly improves the effects of drugs that release serotonin such as MDMA.
Yes. Brainwashing is bad. We should get rid of our education system, revamp it so that we teach kids to be critical thinkers instead of accepting the status quo.
We should also get rid of television. The media serves to maintain the status quo as well.
I'm perfectly happy entertaining myself on the Internet.
Ah, but you've already said what you believe, and you're just playing games claiming less arrogance than the post you're replying to.
Those who present evolution only and say this is the way it has to be are simply intolerant of other people's views. So, that problem stems from their intolerance, not from some fundamental flaw with evolution.
Don't let your criticisms of the proponents of evolution cloud logical analysis of the evidence and arguments at hand.
Science dictates that if there is a legitimate problem with the theory, we will change it. Science only exists to advance knowledge through logical analysis of evidence. That's all it does. It is not some great conspiracy against religion or creationism. It argues things based on facts and reason, not on faith.
If you want to believe in faith, then go ahead.
If you want to believe in reason, evolution makes the most sense according to science.
My cat loves me. She comes up to me, brushes up against me. When I come home, she comes up to me and purrs. My cat has emotions.
Emotions aid the survival of the species. Everything that is part of the human species is there because it is useful to survival. I.E., we are so "perfect" because everything imperfect eventually died off as a trait.
There is nothing but wishful thinking to point to creationism.
OSS __GIVES__ freedom to software developers and to the people using the software. You are no longer dependent on a single vendor, but only vendors that can really support their product will stay alive. If the product isn't well supported or has bugs, you can hire PROGRAMMERS (I.E. GIVE THEM JOBS) to fix your software and continuously maintain it. OSS doesn't put programmers out of business.
There's nothing in GNU that says all proprietary software must be killed off. It is simply a different model of working with things, that works well for a lot of different purposes and projects.
Let's keep it at that. This shouldn't turn into another holy war over proprietary versus Open Source applications. I see OSS succeeding to form standards.
New ideas and bleeding edge technology can remain proprietary, but when we have standards that must be used across the industry, they should be supported by open standards and open source so that one organization doesn't have the power to do the same things Microsoft did with the Windows standard.
Everything has its place. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Wow, went to the site. He's also against affirmative action, against national income tax.. He states that with a national sales tax, we could alter our spending habits to keep money away from the government if we didn't like what they were doing. Interesting proposition.
However, his stance on homosexual rights leaves something to be desired. I'm not gay, but he really has no right saying what is a proper and moral marriage, and one that isn't. Also, I don't like his position on abortion and euthanasia. His views on religion and the separation of church and state leaves something to be desired.
Funny, he's against gun control, though.
Also against sex education? Yeah, let's have MORE ignorant masses that don't know what's going on. There's no need to teach people about things like sex and drugs. Let them be ignorant, and just accept what's on TV and the status quo. Hope you detected the hint of sarcasm in my voice.
Sorry, Keyes may have some good ideas, but there are too many nits to pick with him for me.
Yeah, I like the idea of a federal sales tax, and a state sales tax on all transactions. That's it.
No other taxes. No taxes on income, etc. That way, we can see exactly how much we're taxed, and we can fight specific things that will raise or lower taxes for everyone.
Anyone have any comments? I like this much better than our current system.
Why stop people from smoking pot? Because it made you more and more stupid?! You can't stop people from being stupid, and putting them in jail for smoking a joint is a big waste of YOUR tax money, and everyone else's, when you could be putting it towards a host of other things that are real problems in the world.
Scapegoating all of your problems on the pot smokers and on the porn on the net is a sign of living far away from where reality really is, and it's exactly what the government wants you to think. They'd rather you trade your freedom for your security. You'll end up having neither once they're all done.
Who are you hurting when you're smoking pot? Perhaps yourself, but that's no reason to stop someone from doing it. If we do that, let's keep them from drinking, from looking the wrong way at people, from doing ANYTHING that could possibly endanger them.
There's something wrong with that kind of thinking, and it leads to more and more people being thrown in jail for crimes that have no victims.
If anything, the media is perfectly happy for Americans to focus on distractions like sports, work, etc., than to worry about politics. Hell, most Americans are completely sick of politics and only care about the scandals the presidency has.
What a sad state of affairs. The war on its citizenry with the drug war, the war on encryption, the war on the freedom of speech on the net, etc., and no one knows or cares. They're too busy working or watching sports.
However, in my opinion, there is no justification for drug testing if an employee isn't employed doing anything that could endanger someone else's life.
I would excuse drug testing if an employee shows impairment on the job. In that case, firing them is justified. This would include alcohol.
You cannot connect linux uptime with slashdot uptime. There are many things other than the base operating system that could be causing problems.
Heck, we've got Rob's perl scripts, mysql, apache, and a multitude of other programs I'm sure.
What the NT bigots don't mention is that it's impossible to get Windows NT to do what slashdot does on the same scale out of the box, at least.
Windows makes the easy things easy. Unix makes the hard things possible.
Re:Speaking of uptime...
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We would do that, except if they reboot every night, sometimes certain services don't start up properly. As I recall, the netlogon service wouldn't always start up reliably, so we just gave up on it, and have the people reboot as rarely as possible.
Re:Stop spouting bull...
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As far as NT running and running and Linux crashing, you are not providing any evidence of your situation or any real information. You can make up anything to suit your argument.
On to the second point. Let me put this so you can understand it, AN APPLICATION SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CRASH THE OPERATING SYSTEM. If Windows were any good, there would be no way to crash the operating system from an application.
Funny, you have a Beta 3 machine? What applications can you run on it, anyway? I thought they threw code portability away anyway. It's probably just sitting there looking all pretty.
There are lots of security patches for Red Hat, but none that allow someone from a web page to modify your startup files using ActiveX.
Additionally, with Red Hat, you get the fixes much more often, and earlier. No need to wait 6 months for the next service pack. Also, these patches only affect certain services. If you run a tight ship, and only enable important services on the system, you don't even have to apply most of them.
And the last one is the kicker. Now you're blaming it on development environments. Well, we're getting them for Linux. So we'll be able to invalidate that argument pretty quickly.
The fact is, there are a lot of buggy Linux applications that I've seen, but none of them have brought down the system. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Re:Upgrading your kernel is an addiction
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Kernel 2.2.12
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Believe it or not, 2.2.12 seems to be one of the most stable kernels out of the 2.2.x series I've seen. Just about every single other one has had various problems, from TCP/IP memory leaks, to data corruption, to other problems.
Even the high load server we're running here that had some network flakiness was fixed when we upgraded to 2.2.12 (in hopes that this would fix these problems). It did. We're lucky.:-)
Slashdot Mirror
Did the crackers use Linux to break into these companies?
And the second question is, if these companies had been running Linux, would the crackers have been able to get in? (edgy ducks and runs while the M$ and Linux zealots fight it out)
The U.S. is too busy destroying the freedom of their constituents. I see nothing like that happening without a major change of administration even in the United States.
Oh gee, and the same level of support and bugfixes we've come to expect from Microsoft.
I like free software. I would pay lots of money for it if I had to. It's about being able to get a problem fixed as soon as it happens.
Have you considered that Linux is overtaking the server market and not the client market? When you have to pay thousands for NT server, getting something more reliable, less expensive, and easily administered remotely from anywhere is something any sane administrator would do in a heartbeat.
Granted, Linux doesn't fit everywhere yet, but it can be used for many server applications right now.
It also adds to your skillset, and your employer loves you if you're saving money, so you can demand more money for your skills.
The desktop market is a different story. Given enough time, it can certainly gain market share there as well.
I've set up a Samba server for over 100 NT clients as a PDC. All the clients are using shares of the server to save data and copy programs from the server, etc., and we've never had any real crashes or issues that haven't been taken care of.
The speed of the server hasn't been a problem for us, but we're only using 1 100Mbit ethernet card in it.
I think some of the limitations you may be experiencing may be due to Linux and the fact that it doesn't multithread network cards yet.
Running Samba under Solaris or an operating system that can support much bigger machines than Intel does can give you even more scalability with more clients than Windows NT servers can. You also get great reliability. I haven't had any problems with the setup we have here as far as reliability or compatibility.
I hope some cleaner themes come out by the time KDE 2.0 comes out. I mean, it doesn't look very bad, but the designers need some professionals with graphics design to make some really snazzy looking themes so that desktop looks more professional.
Eh, but what do I know.
Wrong. I've been able to set up roaming profiles on an NT domain using Samba and all as the server.
This is different that Netscape's version. With this, anyone, anywhere, with teh right login and password, can authenticate against the web server and retrieve all of their settings and bookmarks and use the browser as if they were at their machine. No matter what OS they're running on. This is much more powerful than the roaming profiles of NT domains.
I think they had a long article in Linux Journal about using GRASS under Linux instead of the commercial alternatives, and even in the state that it is in currently, it saved them a lot of money and allowed them to use scripts and tools like Tk and others to be able to automate things to allow them to process a lot more data a lot more quickly.
The project was completed tens of thousands of dollars under budget and they experienced none of the problems they used to see with other systems.
This is a good thing. They spoke very highly of GRASS and its potential. I'm not in the field at all, but this is another victory for free software.
Of course, you'd need to eat something like 15 bananas to get the effects of 150mg of 5HTP. 5HTP is the direct precursor to serotonin and it does work for me, and also supposedly improves the effects of drugs that release serotonin such as MDMA.
However, this is all off-topic.
Yes. Brainwashing is bad. We should get rid of our education system, revamp it so that we teach kids to be critical thinkers instead of accepting the status quo.
We should also get rid of television. The media serves to maintain the status quo as well.
I'm perfectly happy entertaining myself on the Internet.
Ah, but you've already said what you believe, and you're just playing games claiming less arrogance than the post you're replying to.
Those who present evolution only and say this is the way it has to be are simply intolerant of other people's views. So, that problem stems from their intolerance, not from some fundamental flaw with evolution.
Don't let your criticisms of the proponents of evolution cloud logical analysis of the evidence and arguments at hand.
Science dictates that if there is a legitimate problem with the theory, we will change it. Science only exists to advance knowledge through logical analysis of evidence. That's all it does. It is not some great conspiracy against religion or creationism. It argues things based on facts and reason, not on faith.
If you want to believe in faith, then go ahead.
If you want to believe in reason, evolution makes the most sense according to science.
My cat loves me. She comes up to me, brushes up against me. When I come home, she comes up to me and purrs. My cat has emotions.
Emotions aid the survival of the species. Everything that is part of the human species is there because it is useful to survival. I.E., we are so "perfect" because everything imperfect eventually died off as a trait.
There is nothing but wishful thinking to point to creationism.
I thought it was called the LAW of gravity, if I'm not mistaken.
Is this poster trying to be sarcastic, or is this the pot calling the kettle black?
--Wondering in New York
Do you work for Microsoft? I mean, seriously.
OSS __GIVES__ freedom to software developers and to the people using the software. You are no longer dependent on a single vendor, but only vendors that can really support their product will stay alive. If the product isn't well supported or has bugs, you can hire PROGRAMMERS (I.E. GIVE THEM JOBS) to fix your software and continuously maintain it. OSS doesn't put programmers out of business.
There's nothing in GNU that says all proprietary software must be killed off. It is simply a different model of working with things, that works well for a lot of different purposes and projects.
Let's keep it at that. This shouldn't turn into another holy war over proprietary versus Open Source applications. I see OSS succeeding to form standards.
New ideas and bleeding edge technology can remain proprietary, but when we have standards that must be used across the industry, they should be supported by open standards and open source so that one organization doesn't have the power to do the same things Microsoft did with the Windows standard.
Everything has its place. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Wow, went to the site. He's also against affirmative action, against national income tax.. He states that with a national sales tax, we could alter our spending habits to keep money away from the government if we didn't like what they were doing. Interesting proposition.
However, his stance on homosexual rights leaves something to be desired. I'm not gay, but he really has no right saying what is a proper and moral marriage, and one that isn't. Also, I don't like his position on abortion and euthanasia. His views on religion and the separation of church and state leaves something to be desired.
Funny, he's against gun control, though.
Also against sex education? Yeah, let's have MORE ignorant masses that don't know what's going on. There's no need to teach people about things like sex and drugs. Let them be ignorant, and just accept what's on TV and the status quo. Hope you detected the hint of sarcasm in my voice.
Sorry, Keyes may have some good ideas, but there are too many nits to pick with him for me.
Yeah, I like the idea of a federal sales tax, and a state sales tax on all transactions. That's it.
No other taxes. No taxes on income, etc. That way, we can see exactly how much we're taxed, and we can fight specific things that will raise or lower taxes for everyone.
Anyone have any comments? I like this much better than our current system.
The again, will it ever happen? Probably not.
Why stop people from smoking pot? Because it made you more and more stupid?! You can't stop people from being stupid, and putting them in jail for smoking a joint is a big waste of YOUR tax money, and everyone else's, when you could be putting it towards a host of other things that are real problems in the world.
Scapegoating all of your problems on the pot smokers and on the porn on the net is a sign of living far away from where reality really is, and it's exactly what the government wants you to think. They'd rather you trade your freedom for your security. You'll end up having neither once they're all done.
This whole line of replies is scaring me.
Who are you hurting when you're smoking pot? Perhaps yourself, but that's no reason to stop someone from doing it. If we do that, let's keep them from drinking, from looking the wrong way at people, from doing ANYTHING that could possibly endanger them.
There's something wrong with that kind of thinking, and it leads to more and more people being thrown in jail for crimes that have no victims.
If anything, the media is perfectly happy for Americans to focus on distractions like sports, work, etc., than to worry about politics. Hell, most Americans are completely sick of politics and only care about the scandals the presidency has.
What a sad state of affairs. The war on its citizenry with the drug war, the war on encryption, the war on the freedom of speech on the net, etc., and no one knows or cares. They're too busy working or watching sports.
Granted, about the drug testing point.
However, in my opinion, there is no justification for drug testing if an employee isn't employed doing anything that could endanger someone else's life.
I would excuse drug testing if an employee shows impairment on the job. In that case, firing them is justified. This would include alcohol.
You cannot connect linux uptime with slashdot uptime. There are many things other than the base operating system that could be causing problems.
Heck, we've got Rob's perl scripts, mysql, apache, and a multitude of other programs I'm sure.
What the NT bigots don't mention is that it's impossible to get Windows NT to do what slashdot does on the same scale out of the box, at least.
Windows makes the easy things easy. Unix makes the hard things possible.
We would do that, except if they reboot every night, sometimes certain services don't start up properly. As I recall, the netlogon service wouldn't always start up reliably, so we just gave up on it, and have the people reboot as rarely as possible.
As far as NT running and running and Linux crashing, you are not providing any evidence of your situation or any real information. You can make up anything to suit your argument.
On to the second point. Let me put this so you can understand it, AN APPLICATION SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CRASH THE OPERATING SYSTEM. If Windows were any good, there would be no way to crash the operating system from an application.
Funny, you have a Beta 3 machine? What applications can you run on it, anyway? I thought they threw code portability away anyway. It's probably just sitting there looking all pretty.
There are lots of security patches for Red Hat, but none that allow someone from a web page to modify your startup files using ActiveX.
Additionally, with Red Hat, you get the fixes much more often, and earlier. No need to wait 6 months for the next service pack. Also, these patches only affect certain services. If you run a tight ship, and only enable important services on the system, you don't even have to apply most of them.
And the last one is the kicker. Now you're blaming it on development environments. Well, we're getting them for Linux. So we'll be able to invalidate that argument pretty quickly.
The fact is, there are a lot of buggy Linux applications that I've seen, but none of them have brought down the system. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Believe it or not, 2.2.12 seems to be one of the most stable kernels out of the 2.2.x series I've seen. Just about every single other one has had various problems, from TCP/IP memory leaks, to data corruption, to other problems.
:-)
Even the high load server we're running here that had some network flakiness was fixed when we upgraded to 2.2.12 (in hopes that this would fix these problems). It did. We're lucky.