How did this get posted? This wins the big retard award for most poorly written Slashdot submission (this week, at least):
PSwim writes "Microsoft has said it will remove
Media Player from Window, if ordered by the EU this week. The 'Windows-Lite' version will only be available in Europe. Best quote from the article involves its refusal to release networking documentation: '"The Commission says Linux would disappear" if Microsoft did not grant access to its documentation, Smith claimed. "But Linux is alive and well and I don't know any person at Linux or any Linux programmers who share the Commission's view."'"
"Media player" is a generic term, the real name for this product is "Windows Media Player". In this case, something like "Microsoft has said it will remove its media player" would make more sense.
What, Microsoft will refuse to remove WMP if ordered next week?
There's no such thing as "Windows-lite". This term has been used previously to mean Windows XP Starter Edition, which is a whole different product than simply "Windows XP without WMP".
Was it the article that refused to release networking documentation? Don't you mean Microsoft refused?
Smith? Smith who?
"at Linux"? Linux isn't a company, a place, or an organization. You can't be "at Linux". Though this is an error of the person quoted and not the submittor, it's silly to let such a stupid error into the submission, and pointless, except for the purpose of ridiculing "Smith".
I wish Slashdot's editors would do some actual editing of submissions before they let them onto the front page.
Wasting my chance to moderate you as troll so I can reply... I am a european user of Windows XP and Windows Media Player is currently listed under "optional software updates", where it's always been It won't be installed unless specifically selected. It won't even be detected as not yet installed using Windows Update's "express install" option, which covers high priority updates (ie security updates) only. Get the facts straight before posting, please.
Relying on IE-only functionality (as I assume this is) is a retarded thing to do anyway, with the extreme gain in marketshare that Firefox has seen recently. People who make that mistake deserve a good slapping, or at the very least, a reality check.
Regardless of what Microsoft and their fans may think, the browser wars are all started up again. Anyone who designs their site to be IE-only nowadays is just asking for trouble. Unfortunately, it's not exactly uncommon.
Oddly, the site you linked says that SP2 users are affected, but Microsoft's page says they're not. Clearly someone must be wrong, or the page you linked is about a completely different bug (it does not mention Download.Ject in its body). What gives?
You built your machines quite differently from me, then. Hardware always fails for a reason; usually that it was of poor quality to begin with. I spend a lot, maybe $4-5k in one go, and then I keep that computer virtually the same for a few years. My current one is on its second year and I have yet to find a game or application which it can't run sufficiently fast to meet my needs - this includes recent games such as D3.
Dealing with "cheap" hardware dealers, buy new hardware each year/month/quarter, or tweak the system beyond sanity for a few extra FPS/MHz, is something I just do not do. My experiences when I was younger and many of my friends' experiences (past and present) have clearly shown that that's not the way to go.
Then there is the laptop question. Of course, the lack of a second button is not the only thing keeping me from a PB, or I'd have gotten one already. The other thing is the distinct lack of any concrete advantages to justify the extremely high price. Yes, Macs are different from PC's, but I've never found them to be in any significant way better (remember, I'm comparing with the boxes I built, not Dells). For laptops, the price difference is less important (since building my own is not an option anyway) but it still seems I need to shell out $3k+ to get a PB the specs of which match my current cheap-ass IBM. Yes, the IBM breaks now and then. Most of the time however, it runs just fine. I intend to replace it before the warranty period runs out. Let's assume a PB wouldn't break as often. I'd still want to replace it in three years' time to keep up with new tech. How would I benefit from getting a PB?
This happened to me with HP. FWIW, I also live in Sweden.
Some years ago, I got a rather old Hewlett-Packard PDA from work, one of the first models to have the "PocketPC" version of the Windows CE operating system. Greyscale monitor. No-one else at work wanted it because it only had a US-style connector on the AC adapter (wall-wart), and the battery had been empty for months. It seemed the only way to get it working was to buy a new AC adapter (a quick websearch turned up that this was grossly expensive, not uncommon for spare parts for old PDA's) or to buy a 240V->110V power converter with US-style power sockets. Which would be even more expensive.
Not seeing any other way, I mail some generic HP tech support adress, explain that I have a PDA with an american AC adapter, and ask them if they will kindly send me a replacement power supply. I provide my home address. Two days later it shows up, sent by UPS 24h Express from HP in Amsterdam. No invoice, nothing. But the PDA served me well for years on after.
Dis me for paying $300 over the cost of a comparably sized and priced Acer if you want.
If I were to dis you for anything, it'd be for not buying the components separate and assembling them yourself. That's the best way to avoid headaches. I put all my computers together myself (save for the laptop - hard one to build yourself that) and if one breaks down (two out of three currently in use have never done so after 2+ years of almost 24/7 duty) I know what part failed, how to fix or replace it, and who to badger for a replacement (with or without warranty, though preferrably with). Granted, it's not as convenient as buying a beige box from an OEM and being able to rely on someone else's skills (or lack thereof) when it breaks. But it does save me tons of money and my computers very rarely break down because I selected every component myself. Whereas in a {D|H}ell, you get the cheapest crap they can get away with selling, with a life expectancy of five hours, times 365 days, times the warranty period, give or take some.
When it comes to laptops, I'm very seriously considering an Apple next. But they better put two buttons on those touchpads first...
It's not Microsoft's fault that the typical user is clueless. The fact that you can run Windows under a limited-access account is well-documented in the Windows manual, in the help files, and on countless web sites. Could it be made more obvious during the install? Yes. Could Microsoft change the default? Not without breaking lots of third-party apps and causing additional inconvenience for users, which would be a potential PR disaster - as I mentioned in the post you replied to.
Grandma will complain when she tries to run an app that wants admin access (for whatever reason). If she's just running Microsoft Word and IE, this won't happen. However, grandma is not a Typical User(TM). The Typical User wants to download music using Napster-clone-of-the-week, play games, and run those "kewl" shareware apps from Download.com that everyone's talking about. Eventually he or she will come across a stupid app that demands admin access even though it doesn't need it.
Linux/*nix developers do not develop with the assumption that the user will be running their app as root. Windows developers (at least the poor ones) do. So I would not expect the same difficulties on Linux. Your experience confirms this.
We can agree on one thing; the main complainers would be the ones who aren't supposed to have admin access anyway. Unfortunately, those are the ones who run IE/Outlook without any patches, and because they pay the Microsoft tax dutifully, they expect - no, demand that everything should work as promised. They're a loud-mouthed bunch, and Microsoft doesn't want bad PR. So it's easier to let them run as admin and let the tech support folks cash in on their ignorance, than to fix the underlying problem.
It's the default because the users want it that way (see previous posting). Windows users have been running as admin since it was just a glossy shell over DOS (hell, pre-NT, Windows didn't have a non-admin access mode as such). If Microsoft changed it now, there would be an outcry (see grandparent) and people would just figure out how to make themselves admins, and do so. It's a lose-lose situation for Microsoft - and again, the fact that many pieces of third-party software expect or demand admin access to run does not help matters.
In the end, no operating system is luser-proof. User education is the only viable solution, not built-in lockdown of the OS.
According to them, any program (including ActiveX controls) can access and edit the Windows Management Instrumentation database, and therefore spoof the security status of an insecure box to report that it is properly secured.
Um.. you sure that's not supposed to be any program that's already running as admin on the box in question? Sorry, but if I was a malicious app running as admin, I would do much more interesting things than tamper with the security center. Not even Linux/OSX/*BSD are secure if you manage to get malicious code running with admin rights. The article got it right (it mentions that the attacking script/app/whatever must be running as admin) but whoever submitted this to Slashdot seems to have missed this tiny, unimportant detail.
The next thing to be said is usually: "But most home users run as admins." (The article also mentions this.) Well, that's not a Windows problem; that's a user problem. Even if Windows forced users to run in "limited mode" (which would cause an outcry in itself - "eek, Microsoft is trying to take away control over our own computers from us"), it also doesn't help that most third-party software for Windows requires admin rights either to install or *gasp* to run. Of course, this is ancient news to everyone with a clue.. nothing to see here, move along.
Of course, even when running as admin, protecting yourself against malicious code is fairly trivial; simply use a firewall (SP2 incidentally includes one), don't run binaries from untrusted sources, surf the web and check your email using something other than IE/Outlook, use a virus scanner/shield, and keep your apps and OS updated. Again, no news to anyone with a clue.
That's soon going to be a very very large wiki. Either because someone posted a link to it on Slashdot (expect 200 pages of Goatse ASCII art) or because there are just so many pieces of hardware that Linux won't work with (picks up a roll of duct tape, points at it illustratively).
Unfortunately, the server seems to have gone down in flames already. How unfortunate. I'm sure everyone here has at least one piece of hardware they could contribute; I submit my #9 Imagine128 graphics card, which I never did get to work under RH9, despite it being in the list of supported cards. Oh well.
It's a fact of life that everything is subjective (and relative). Discussion remains meaningful only while the participants agree on certain core concepts. For instance, you can't discuss whether God is good or evil with an atheist, because to him, the argument is pointless; there is no God in his world.
In this case however, we seem to have a case of conflicting standards. By my standards, the hp 49g+ is clearly a great calculator - and I don't consider my standards for quality to be low. It has however become clear that some people - who presumably have much higher standards for quality - think it's rubbish. I can't say they're wrong because I haven't used a 48-series HP - but on the other hand, I've not had any problems with the 49g+. So it's "good enough". It's a compromise, simple as that.
Of course I _can_ do (1024/8*256) in my head (with a little effort) or on paper (very easily). That's not the point. (1024/8*256) was only an example of some arithmetic that I can do faster on the calculator than in my head or on paper. IRL examples are, as always, much worse. I'm sure you've seen plenty.
I am not familiar with the term "undergrad", I assume it's part of your school system. Here in Sweden, those things are part of any master's program.
I've found it very useful for most of my calculus classes (stuff involving integrals, derivatives, matrices, equations with multiple unknown variables, etc), and I believe it will come in handy in physics and mathematical statistics, too. It also utterly ROCKS for simple arithmethic, for those occasions when I can't quite be bothered to do (1024/8*256) in my head, or need to find out what 2^64 is, quickly. RPN is very nice and I just can't get that from a TI.
Having found this C compiler, I'm also playing with the idea of programming a few PDA-like features into it. So far I've only managed to play Tetris on it, however.
I'm an engineering student. Working on a master's in information technology, specifically. Yes, this means a software developer. I wanted a fast and reliable calculator that had functions for most (all) the university-level maths I need to go through. IT has lots of maths in it, at least where I study.
I have read the posts but I can't seem to find the same problems in my 49g+. Will they develop over time? Maybe, but most of the complaints I read suggested that the problems existed from day 1. Guess my particular 49g+ must be a remarkable piece of engineering, then.:)
I just Googled it. Look what I found regarding the 49g+ keys:
People have been complaining that hp49g+ keyboards dont work right. i emailed hp to hear the other side of the story; they replied the next day. Here's their reply on 7/19/2004:
"Thank you for contacting HP Total Care.
The some of the early ones did have an actual issue with the keyboard. The new ones still 'click' and we have had a couple complaints that they were "loud" but they do work. ALL the time.
If anyone still has one of the old ones, and it has this issue, we are replacing the calculator."
How many of the people in comp.sys.hp48 bothered to ask HP about the keyboard issues, I wonder?
Frankly, I couldn't care less what the HP die-hard fanboys think. I'd rather listen to someone with a fresh perspective. To me, the 49g+ is the best calculator I've ever used. Maybe if I had also used a 48-series HP, I wouldn't think so. Does it matter? The 49g+ does its job and then some. There's a point where you get to "good enough" and after that the differences just don't matter anymore. Calling a product "mediocre" just because it doesn't live up to very high expectations is neither fair nor rational.
Correct, I haven't tried the 48 series. I can, however, recognize a great calculator when I have one in my palm (and I have tried several others, the popular Ti-89 for instance). Maybe the 48 was better, but the criticism against the 49 is clearly overstated.
The keys on my 49g+ are neither wobbly nor is there a lack of tactile feedback. Are the problems you suggest something that I can expect as it gets older (only had it for about 6 months) or do you suggest that my experience using the 49g+ is significantly different from yours fsr?
What is it that people have against the 49g+ keys? I've got just such a calculator, and the only complaint I've had is that the calculator was DOA - getting a replacement from HP was fairly painless though, even though I'd bought it on eBay.
Regarding the keys, I find them to be just the right size, easy to read, have a distinct press, and not overly plasticy, despite being made of.. plastic. Yes, if they'd made the keys from brushed aluminium or ebony, carefully hand-crafted by pure-minded tibetan nuns, that would have been nice, but who cares? Compared to my old Casio or my friend's TI, the HP kicks ass, every department. And now a C compiler? Wow. Can't wait to try it.
The facts are that MP3s are LOW quality (completely horrid, as far as I am concerned,) and CD-R media has a finite life-span. Anyone who is genuinely concerned about their music is willing to buy the CD/tape/LP/8-track if only for the quality of the sound.
If you think MP3's are of "horrid" quality, then you are probably in the minority. I can't tell a high-bitrate MP3 from the original CD (and yes, I do have a fairly good stereo setup - by non-audiophile standards - at least in my car). A lot of people I know don't give a damn about bitrates, they rip their "old" CD collections to 128kbps, then lock away the discs somewhere never to be used again. Most people aren't audiophiles or even close. CD-R media only has a short lifespan if you treat it badly, and there is archive-quality media you can buy if you think you are really going to need it to last 20/50/100+ years.
I know what "trivial" means. I think rebooting is pretty insignificant. You click a button, wait a minute, and it's done. If you've brought something to read or watch (a necessity when waiting for something large to install) it's hardly a bother, even if you're on a particularly slow PC where the reboot takes a while.
My Windows XP box (Athlon XP 2800+) reboots in about 40 seconds. And it's over a year old... My other box, a three-year-old Athlon 1ghz, takes about a minute and a half to reboot Win2k3 Server.
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"Media player" is a generic term, the real name for this product is "Windows Media Player". In this case, something like "Microsoft has said it will remove its media player" would make more sense.
What, Microsoft will refuse to remove WMP if ordered next week?
There's no such thing as "Windows-lite". This term has been used previously to mean Windows XP Starter Edition, which is a whole different product than simply "Windows XP without WMP".
Was it the article that refused to release networking documentation? Don't you mean Microsoft refused?
Smith? Smith who?
"at Linux"? Linux isn't a company, a place, or an organization. You can't be "at Linux". Though this is an error of the person quoted and not the submittor, it's silly to let such a stupid error into the submission, and pointless, except for the purpose of ridiculing "Smith".
I wish Slashdot's editors would do some actual editing of submissions before they let them onto the front page.
Wasting my chance to moderate you as troll so I can reply ... I am a european user of Windows XP and Windows Media Player is currently listed under "optional software updates", where it's always been It won't be installed unless specifically selected. It won't even be detected as not yet installed using Windows Update's "express install" option, which covers high priority updates (ie security updates) only. Get the facts straight before posting, please.
Relying on IE-only functionality (as I assume this is) is a retarded thing to do anyway, with the extreme gain in marketshare that Firefox has seen recently. People who make that mistake deserve a good slapping, or at the very least, a reality check.
Regardless of what Microsoft and their fans may think, the browser wars are all started up again. Anyone who designs their site to be IE-only nowadays is just asking for trouble. Unfortunately, it's not exactly uncommon.
If there's no fix for Internet Explorer, then what do you call this?
Oddly, the site you linked says that SP2 users are affected, but Microsoft's page says they're not. Clearly someone must be wrong, or the page you linked is about a completely different bug (it does not mention Download.Ject in its body). What gives?
You built your machines quite differently from me, then. Hardware always fails for a reason; usually that it was of poor quality to begin with. I spend a lot, maybe $4-5k in one go, and then I keep that computer virtually the same for a few years. My current one is on its second year and I have yet to find a game or application which it can't run sufficiently fast to meet my needs - this includes recent games such as D3.
Dealing with "cheap" hardware dealers, buy new hardware each year/month/quarter, or tweak the system beyond sanity for a few extra FPS/MHz, is something I just do not do. My experiences when I was younger and many of my friends' experiences (past and present) have clearly shown that that's not the way to go.
Then there is the laptop question. Of course, the lack of a second button is not the only thing keeping me from a PB, or I'd have gotten one already. The other thing is the distinct lack of any concrete advantages to justify the extremely high price. Yes, Macs are different from PC's, but I've never found them to be in any significant way better (remember, I'm comparing with the boxes I built, not Dells). For laptops, the price difference is less important (since building my own is not an option anyway) but it still seems I need to shell out $3k+ to get a PB the specs of which match my current cheap-ass IBM. Yes, the IBM breaks now and then. Most of the time however, it runs just fine. I intend to replace it before the warranty period runs out. Let's assume a PB wouldn't break as often. I'd still want to replace it in three years' time to keep up with new tech. How would I benefit from getting a PB?
This happened to me with HP. FWIW, I also live in Sweden.
Some years ago, I got a rather old Hewlett-Packard PDA from work, one of the first models to have the "PocketPC" version of the Windows CE operating system. Greyscale monitor. No-one else at work wanted it because it only had a US-style connector on the AC adapter (wall-wart), and the battery had been empty for months. It seemed the only way to get it working was to buy a new AC adapter (a quick websearch turned up that this was grossly expensive, not uncommon for spare parts for old PDA's) or to buy a 240V->110V power converter with US-style power sockets. Which would be even more expensive.
Not seeing any other way, I mail some generic HP tech support adress, explain that I have a PDA with an american AC adapter, and ask them if they will kindly send me a replacement power supply. I provide my home address. Two days later it shows up, sent by UPS 24h Express from HP in Amsterdam. No invoice, nothing. But the PDA served me well for years on after.
Dis me for paying $300 over the cost of a comparably sized and priced Acer if you want.
If I were to dis you for anything, it'd be for not buying the components separate and assembling them yourself. That's the best way to avoid headaches. I put all my computers together myself (save for the laptop - hard one to build yourself that) and if one breaks down (two out of three currently in use have never done so after 2+ years of almost 24/7 duty) I know what part failed, how to fix or replace it, and who to badger for a replacement (with or without warranty, though preferrably with). Granted, it's not as convenient as buying a beige box from an OEM and being able to rely on someone else's skills (or lack thereof) when it breaks. But it does save me tons of money and my computers very rarely break down because I selected every component myself. Whereas in a {D|H}ell, you get the cheapest crap they can get away with selling, with a life expectancy of five hours, times 365 days, times the warranty period, give or take some.
When it comes to laptops, I'm very seriously considering an Apple next. But they better put two buttons on those touchpads first...
It's not Microsoft's fault that the typical user is clueless. The fact that you can run Windows under a limited-access account is well-documented in the Windows manual, in the help files, and on countless web sites. Could it be made more obvious during the install? Yes. Could Microsoft change the default? Not without breaking lots of third-party apps and causing additional inconvenience for users, which would be a potential PR disaster - as I mentioned in the post you replied to.
Grandma will complain when she tries to run an app that wants admin access (for whatever reason). If she's just running Microsoft Word and IE, this won't happen. However, grandma is not a Typical User(TM). The Typical User wants to download music using Napster-clone-of-the-week, play games, and run those "kewl" shareware apps from Download.com that everyone's talking about. Eventually he or she will come across a stupid app that demands admin access even though it doesn't need it.
Linux/*nix developers do not develop with the assumption that the user will be running their app as root. Windows developers (at least the poor ones) do. So I would not expect the same difficulties on Linux. Your experience confirms this.
We can agree on one thing; the main complainers would be the ones who aren't supposed to have admin access anyway. Unfortunately, those are the ones who run IE/Outlook without any patches, and because they pay the Microsoft tax dutifully, they expect - no, demand that everything should work as promised. They're a loud-mouthed bunch, and Microsoft doesn't want bad PR. So it's easier to let them run as admin and let the tech support folks cash in on their ignorance, than to fix the underlying problem.
Oh, how the insults of an AC send chills down my spine!
It's the default because the users want it that way (see previous posting). Windows users have been running as admin since it was just a glossy shell over DOS (hell, pre-NT, Windows didn't have a non-admin access mode as such). If Microsoft changed it now, there would be an outcry (see grandparent) and people would just figure out how to make themselves admins, and do so. It's a lose-lose situation for Microsoft - and again, the fact that many pieces of third-party software expect or demand admin access to run does not help matters.
In the end, no operating system is luser-proof. User education is the only viable solution, not built-in lockdown of the OS.
The next thing to be said is usually: "But most home users run as admins." (The article also mentions this.) Well, that's not a Windows problem; that's a user problem. Even if Windows forced users to run in "limited mode" (which would cause an outcry in itself - "eek, Microsoft is trying to take away control over our own computers from us"), it also doesn't help that most third-party software for Windows requires admin rights either to install or *gasp* to run. Of course, this is ancient news to everyone with a clue
Of course, even when running as admin, protecting yourself against malicious code is fairly trivial; simply use a firewall (SP2 incidentally includes one), don't run binaries from untrusted sources, surf the web and check your email using something other than IE/Outlook, use a virus scanner/shield, and keep your apps and OS updated. Again, no news to anyone with a clue.
Fortunately, I didn't waste any money on the Imagine128; the same card today chugs along quite well in a machine running Windows 2000.
That's soon going to be a very very large wiki. Either because someone posted a link to it on Slashdot (expect 200 pages of Goatse ASCII art) or because there are just so many pieces of hardware that Linux won't work with (picks up a roll of duct tape, points at it illustratively).
Unfortunately, the server seems to have gone down in flames already. How unfortunate. I'm sure everyone here has at least one piece of hardware they could contribute; I submit my #9 Imagine128 graphics card, which I never did get to work under RH9, despite it being in the list of supported cards. Oh well.
It's a fact of life that everything is subjective (and relative). Discussion remains meaningful only while the participants agree on certain core concepts. For instance, you can't discuss whether God is good or evil with an atheist, because to him, the argument is pointless; there is no God in his world.
In this case however, we seem to have a case of conflicting standards. By my standards, the hp 49g+ is clearly a great calculator - and I don't consider my standards for quality to be low. It has however become clear that some people - who presumably have much higher standards for quality - think it's rubbish. I can't say they're wrong because I haven't used a 48-series HP - but on the other hand, I've not had any problems with the 49g+. So it's "good enough". It's a compromise, simple as that.
Of course I _can_ do (1024/8*256) in my head (with a little effort) or on paper (very easily). That's not the point. (1024/8*256) was only an example of some arithmetic that I can do faster on the calculator than in my head or on paper. IRL examples are, as always, much worse. I'm sure you've seen plenty.
I am not familiar with the term "undergrad", I assume it's part of your school system. Here in Sweden, those things are part of any master's program.
I've found it very useful for most of my calculus classes (stuff involving integrals, derivatives, matrices, equations with multiple unknown variables, etc), and I believe it will come in handy in physics and mathematical statistics, too. It also utterly ROCKS for simple arithmethic, for those occasions when I can't quite be bothered to do (1024/8*256) in my head, or need to find out what 2^64 is, quickly. RPN is very nice and I just can't get that from a TI.
Having found this C compiler, I'm also playing with the idea of programming a few PDA-like features into it. So far I've only managed to play Tetris on it, however.
I'm an engineering student. Working on a master's in information technology, specifically. Yes, this means a software developer. I wanted a fast and reliable calculator that had functions for most (all) the university-level maths I need to go through. IT has lots of maths in it, at least where I study.
:)
I have read the posts but I can't seem to find the same problems in my 49g+. Will they develop over time? Maybe, but most of the complaints I read suggested that the problems existed from day 1. Guess my particular 49g+ must be a remarkable piece of engineering, then.
Frankly, I couldn't care less what the HP die-hard fanboys think. I'd rather listen to someone with a fresh perspective. To me, the 49g+ is the best calculator I've ever used. Maybe if I had also used a 48-series HP, I wouldn't think so. Does it matter? The 49g+ does its job and then some. There's a point where you get to "good enough" and after that the differences just don't matter anymore. Calling a product "mediocre" just because it doesn't live up to very high expectations is neither fair nor rational.
Correct, I haven't tried the 48 series. I can, however, recognize a great calculator when I have one in my palm (and I have tried several others, the popular Ti-89 for instance). Maybe the 48 was better, but the criticism against the 49 is clearly overstated.
The keys on my 49g+ are neither wobbly nor is there a lack of tactile feedback. Are the problems you suggest something that I can expect as it gets older (only had it for about 6 months) or do you suggest that my experience using the 49g+ is significantly different from yours fsr?
What is it that people have against the 49g+ keys? I've got just such a calculator, and the only complaint I've had is that the calculator was DOA - getting a replacement from HP was fairly painless though, even though I'd bought it on eBay.
.. plastic. Yes, if they'd made the keys from brushed aluminium or ebony, carefully hand-crafted by pure-minded tibetan nuns, that would have been nice, but who cares? Compared to my old Casio or my friend's TI, the HP kicks ass, every department. And now a C compiler? Wow. Can't wait to try it.
Regarding the keys, I find them to be just the right size, easy to read, have a distinct press, and not overly plasticy, despite being made of
Moderators must be on crack. How is this flamebait?
I know what "trivial" means. I think rebooting is pretty insignificant. You click a button, wait a minute, and it's done. If you've brought something to read or watch (a necessity when waiting for something large to install) it's hardly a bother, even if you're on a particularly slow PC where the reboot takes a while.
My Windows XP box (Athlon XP 2800+) reboots in about 40 seconds. And it's over a year old... My other box, a three-year-old Athlon 1ghz, takes about a minute and a half to reboot Win2k3 Server.