True, for servers, linux is a better choice, although novell, when setup right, kicks ass...
One other thing to consider though, although from a technical standpoint, linux would be a better choice for the servers, you've got to remember schools usually have a fairly limited budget and so commonly one of the teachers that has figured out the difference between left click and right click admins the network, and lets face it, as a general rule, you're not going to find a teacher in a highschool that knows linux (not ALL highschools, but most of them are this way).
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Actually, due to win9x being most widely used out in the business world today, I believe win9x is the right choice for schools to run. Why teach kids how to use linux, and only at it's most basic, not a useful amount of linux, when they're likely to never have to use linux again, but not teach them to do the basics of the OS they will use (or the OS future ones they use will most closely resemble) for quite possibly the rest of their life?
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I could be wrong as I honestly haven't done much research with this, but I believe ACLs on linux will allow that kind of very granular control over who can do what with the files.
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Well, I don't know for sure as I don't have the service... but does the dhcp lease expire? if not, you're fine. Also, @home had a dhcp server which would assign you the IP, which the lease never expired on, but you could put it in statically, too (I did)... my guess is that at&t kept this the same.
And is on it's way there with some of the bills they're trying to push through congress... I can't remember which one in particular right now, but one actually WOULD make linux illegal, because it requires government certified "security measures" in the software, and linux, being open source, would allow you to get around them, making it illegal, to make a long story short... search old/. articles for more info as I'm too lazy to double check everything right now.
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Exactly, I'm glad to see someone else who realizes this. There's also several things that contribute both to MS having extra security holes and it seeming that there is far more than there really is.
1. Stability, security, and useability for your average jackass on the street don't go together. You can be stable and secure OR you can be easy to use and backwards compatible so that joe smith doesn't have to upgrade every couple months or even more often like with linux, bsd, etc. To make software truly backwards compatible, that unfortunately means leaving old, crappy, code in, which causes bloatware and may cause problems mixed with the newer code, but to be compatible, it must be there.
2. "rushed" releases... if I remember right, MS often tries to hold back their releases to fix the bugs, then the public gets pissed off at them for being late on the release, so they release the buggy software, and the public gets pissed off because the software has bugs.
3. Everyone hates MS so every jackass in the world talks about how crappy their software is whether they know what makes it crappy or not. This means a lot of things that are NOT ms problems, but user problems or other companies writing crap software to run within windows, get blamed on MS. It also means that everyone makes 10x as much noise as needed about each MS hole and then bitches again because it needed patched to fix it, whereas linux, etc, it is made known that there is a hole in some program, but no one cares, then a patch is made (oh my, that sounds like MS) and then people applaud them for patching it instead of getting pissed off.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not some lame ms fanboy, they've got problems, I'd never use them for an internet server, at least not with a default setup (but what OS would I do that with... certainly none of the linux distros, maybe obsd though)... But, they aren't as bad as a lot of people seem to think, it's just a lot of crap blown out of proportion because most people don't know any better and just repeat what they heard without stopping and thinking before letting the nonsense flow from their mouth.
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ah ok, I misunderstood what you were questioning about it then... thought ya didn't understand where he got the idea from instead of the fact that the name is incorrect, which I of course found a bit odd given your shinra.org e-mail addy.
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I agree completely. I haven't had @home in over a year now (now I'm on broadslate sdsl... great support, very reliable, but you'll pay for it since it's biz class and they only want businesses). Anyway, when I was on @Home, I got shit for support from @Home, they would go over my tcp/ip settings to check why I had no hardware signal, they would try to say it was my computer with a problem when I had network connectivity problems where I could ping the gateway and 1 hop past, but nothing after that... clearly on their end. I could send AT&T an e-mail, they would send someone to my house the next day, verify that I was correct, call @home themselves and force them to fix it. I'm all for at&t... fuck @home, they deserve to lose out, they were a half assed piece of crap company.
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As it said in that article about the "school", it is taken from the character of a psx game.
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well, i believe the reason they need a class is A) most people are complete, worthless, retards with an iq of about 10. and B) they aren't neccesarily tryign to "hack" the lazy way. Most probably don't even realize they are script kiddies, what with how media portrays hackers and how most "hacking" websites are, many of them probably think they really are hacking and doing something that takes a lot of knowledge because from day 1 they've been told they are and haven't managed to be told differently yet.
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I don't think it would be a problem if the school were worth a damn as word would get around as to what it really teaches and they would be careful not to be doing anything that would add to the bad name of hackers... This school in particular, of course, is, as has been said many times allready, a bunch of jerk-offs who don't know a damned thing except how to use back-orifice and various other script kiddy toys.
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If I remember right, they teach some basic stuff in some of their early unix classes, too, don't they (it might be indian hills college I'm thinking of, just south of ia state)? I believe they write a little login program that records the password somewhere then logs the user in, and some stuff along those lines to show what can be done with some basic knowledge (assuming file persmissions on the server are retarded and let you over-write important files of course).
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Surprises you, eh? Come do my job for awhile... I work in the IT department, i'll leave the company unnamed, our info sec guys try to tell me crap like user's cannot have their telnet client open for me to reset their password on our unix boxes. Apparently our unix boxes are psychic and know when a user is going to attempt to log in shortly (would that make them psychix?). 2 days after wep encyption was cracked, the boneheads here decided it would be a great idea to install a wlan in my building... now this building constantly has passwords being sent through the network for every single progarm in the company, anyone who gets them can make anyone owe or be owed as much money as they want, get access to unused cc #'s, etc, and our idiots decide this would be a good place to test a recently proven insecure network setup... stupid. I could go on and on about the stupidity of these guys that are keeping our network "secure" and their lack of knowledge of how any of these systems work.
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Ok, I can't even remember my source (somewhere on the web) so it may not be reliable and I haven't done any research on the subject before posting this, but... I recently read that SNK has a new handheld system coming out and square is going to be porting many of their final fantasy games to it. Assuming this is true, SNK is far from dead.
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True, for servers, linux is a better choice, although novell, when setup right, kicks ass...
One other thing to consider though, although from a technical standpoint, linux would be a better choice for the servers, you've got to remember schools usually have a fairly limited budget and so commonly one of the teachers that has figured out the difference between left click and right click admins the network, and lets face it, as a general rule, you're not going to find a teacher in a highschool that knows linux (not ALL highschools, but most of them are this way).
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Actually, due to win9x being most widely used out in the business world today, I believe win9x is the right choice for schools to run. Why teach kids how to use linux, and only at it's most basic, not a useful amount of linux, when they're likely to never have to use linux again, but not teach them to do the basics of the OS they will use (or the OS future ones they use will most closely resemble) for quite possibly the rest of their life?
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I could be wrong as I honestly haven't done much research with this, but I believe ACLs on linux will allow that kind of very granular control over who can do what with the files.
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Well, I don't know for sure as I don't have the service... but does the dhcp lease expire? if not, you're fine. Also, @home had a dhcp server which would assign you the IP, which the lease never expired on, but you could put it in statically, too (I did)... my guess is that at&t kept this the same.
And is on it's way there with some of the bills they're trying to push through congress... I can't remember which one in particular right now, but one actually WOULD make linux illegal, because it requires government certified "security measures" in the software, and linux, being open source, would allow you to get around them, making it illegal, to make a long story short... search old /. articles for more info as I'm too lazy to double check everything right now.
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Exactly, I'm glad to see someone else who realizes this. There's also several things that contribute both to MS having extra security holes and it seeming that there is far more than there really is.
1. Stability, security, and useability for your average jackass on the street don't go together. You can be stable and secure OR you can be easy to use and backwards compatible so that joe smith doesn't have to upgrade every couple months or even more often like with linux, bsd, etc. To make software truly backwards compatible, that unfortunately means leaving old, crappy, code in, which causes bloatware and may cause problems mixed with the newer code, but to be compatible, it must be there.
2. "rushed" releases... if I remember right, MS often tries to hold back their releases to fix the bugs, then the public gets pissed off at them for being late on the release, so they release the buggy software, and the public gets pissed off because the software has bugs.
3. Everyone hates MS so every jackass in the world talks about how crappy their software is whether they know what makes it crappy or not. This means a lot of things that are NOT ms problems, but user problems or other companies writing crap software to run within windows, get blamed on MS. It also means that everyone makes 10x as much noise as needed about each MS hole and then bitches again because it needed patched to fix it, whereas linux, etc, it is made known that there is a hole in some program, but no one cares, then a patch is made (oh my, that sounds like MS) and then people applaud them for patching it instead of getting pissed off.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not some lame ms fanboy, they've got problems, I'd never use them for an internet server, at least not with a default setup (but what OS would I do that with... certainly none of the linux distros, maybe obsd though)... But, they aren't as bad as a lot of people seem to think, it's just a lot of crap blown out of proportion because most people don't know any better and just repeat what they heard without stopping and thinking before letting the nonsense flow from their mouth.
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ah ok, I misunderstood what you were questioning about it then... thought ya didn't understand where he got the idea from instead of the fact that the name is incorrect, which I of course found a bit odd given your shinra.org e-mail addy.
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I agree completely. I haven't had @home in over a year now (now I'm on broadslate sdsl... great support, very reliable, but you'll pay for it since it's biz class and they only want businesses). Anyway, when I was on @Home, I got shit for support from @Home, they would go over my tcp/ip settings to check why I had no hardware signal, they would try to say it was my computer with a problem when I had network connectivity problems where I could ping the gateway and 1 hop past, but nothing after that... clearly on their end. I could send AT&T an e-mail, they would send someone to my house the next day, verify that I was correct, call @home themselves and force them to fix it. I'm all for at&t... fuck @home, they deserve to lose out, they were a half assed piece of crap company.
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As it said in that article about the "school", it is taken from the character of a psx game.
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well, i believe the reason they need a class is A) most people are complete, worthless, retards with an iq of about 10. and B) they aren't neccesarily tryign to "hack" the lazy way. Most probably don't even realize they are script kiddies, what with how media portrays hackers and how most "hacking" websites are, many of them probably think they really are hacking and doing something that takes a lot of knowledge because from day 1 they've been told they are and haven't managed to be told differently yet.
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I don't think it would be a problem if the school were worth a damn as word would get around as to what it really teaches and they would be careful not to be doing anything that would add to the bad name of hackers... This school in particular, of course, is, as has been said many times allready, a bunch of jerk-offs who don't know a damned thing except how to use back-orifice and various other script kiddy toys.
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If I remember right, they teach some basic stuff in some of their early unix classes, too, don't they (it might be indian hills college I'm thinking of, just south of ia state)? I believe they write a little login program that records the password somewhere then logs the user in, and some stuff along those lines to show what can be done with some basic knowledge (assuming file persmissions on the server are retarded and let you over-write important files of course).
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Surprises you, eh? Come do my job for awhile... I work in the IT department, i'll leave the company unnamed, our info sec guys try to tell me crap like user's cannot have their telnet client open for me to reset their password on our unix boxes. Apparently our unix boxes are psychic and know when a user is going to attempt to log in shortly (would that make them psychix?). 2 days after wep encyption was cracked, the boneheads here decided it would be a great idea to install a wlan in my building... now this building constantly has passwords being sent through the network for every single progarm in the company, anyone who gets them can make anyone owe or be owed as much money as they want, get access to unused cc #'s, etc, and our idiots decide this would be a good place to test a recently proven insecure network setup... stupid. I could go on and on about the stupidity of these guys that are keeping our network "secure" and their lack of knowledge of how any of these systems work.
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Ok, I can't even remember my source (somewhere on the web) so it may not be reliable and I haven't done any research on the subject before posting this, but... I recently read that SNK has a new handheld system coming out and square is going to be porting many of their final fantasy games to it. Assuming this is true, SNK is far from dead.
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