I am glad to see the ISO is sticking to its mission and not incorporating Java(tm) as an ISO standard.
Sun is indeed way off base with their feeble efforts to "open" Java(tm). Anyone who reads the Java(tm) licenses can see for themselves that this is just another proprietary pile of dreck.
I don't think ESR did the right thing with the APSL bit..he should have made more efforts to get input from the tribe.
That being said, we all can learn something from the events of this week:
Shut the fuck up if all you are going to do is whine and bash someone. If you cannot debate issues publicly in a civil manner, then just stick to writing code and keep your mouth shut.
Encourage each other to communicate more effectively and factually. Do not argue just to impress your friends or self.
Remember that people like RMS/ESR/Linus are afterall human. They can make mistakes, they can act stupid, they can say stupid things. When they do, we need to politely deal with the situation. We don't need to start fragging them.
If you do get angry about an issue, try not to make it any worse. Sometimes you can, sometimes you won't. But, for gosh sakes, at least try people! We *ARE* on the same side!!!
For Rob et al. at Slashdot: Please consider removing the Anonymous Coward facility from the site. It would not be censorship. Let us be individually accountable for our commentary and do not give us a cloaking device that 99% of the time ends up being abused as a way to insult, ridicule and hurt people. If someone doesn't want to post unless they can anonymously, then let them go. We as a community do not need them here. They are a liability, not an asset.
My friends, we *do* need to grow up like ESR says. Many of us are immature, but that's ok. You can be forgiven, if you also are willing to learn from your mistakes and from others. If you are not, then please go somewhere else. This is a serious issue, one that has been becoming more and more volatile in lots of places. I for one will try to be more patient and civil...I hope my fellow tribefolk will do the same.
Surprise, surprise, surprise!!!
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There's another little dollop of code over in Cambridge that can help with this matter:
I am not a professional programmer, but a systems/network administrator who has done his fair share of programming when necessary. When I first wrote anything GUI-based, it was with Visual Basic 3.0. I was pleased at the simplicity of providing very usable features (buttons, scroll bars, etc.) with very little effort. Also, the language consistency within the control sets was helpful.
That being said, what I think this question really addresses is the need for solid, consistent APIs and widget sets. My impression so far is that toolsets like Qt, GTK, Java, etc. are getting better and more easy to use. That, to me, is one key factor in making Linux more usable: Solid GUI toolset foundations.
Another aspect that needs to be considered is programming discipline. While the Windows APIs and toolsets have made rapid application development more possible, they also have made programmers more susceptible to being lazy and less concerned about feature bloat, etc. I only hope that people who do program more extensively than I do will take the time to be (a) consistent in their coding practices and (b) respectful of cross-platform issues. If the available toolsets are not misused, then Linux will become more usable (interface-wise) without much effort.
I think we all need to take a chill pill and enjoy what is really just a piece of satire, intended not for self-aggrandizing but to make people laugh. Ever read User Friendly? Is Iliad bad for making fun of Microsoft? He did a hilarious parody of Star Wars with Tux as one of the heroes and the Death Orb being Microsoft's coroporate HQ.
People..get a clue. I don't *know* ESR, but I have met him. He is warm, witty and passionate about Linux, open software and other geeky things. I don't happen to share his love of firearms, but then again I don't have any right to judge him about it either.
It's his choice to write these pieces, and your choice to read it or not. It is his right to be able to express himself as he so desires as long as he harms no one. On the other hand, you have NO right to expect him to make you happy or agree with you.
Happy New Year to all of you, including the MSCEs out there. It's going to be a wild year for us geeks so put on your seat belt...
ESR, thanks for you sharing your gift of words and IMHO funny sense of humor!
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Sun is indeed way off base with their feeble efforts to "open" Java(tm). Anyone who reads the Java(tm) licenses can see for themselves that this is just another proprietary pile of dreck.
Way to go ISO!
Nope...but it is anger and frustration.
That being said, we all can learn something from the events of this week:
Shut the fuck up if all you are going to do is whine and bash someone. If you cannot debate issues publicly in a civil manner, then just stick to writing code and keep your mouth shut.
Encourage each other to communicate more effectively and factually. Do not argue just to impress your friends or self.
Remember that people like RMS/ESR/Linus are afterall human. They can make mistakes, they can act stupid, they can say stupid things. When they do, we need to politely deal with the situation. We don't need to start fragging them.
If you do get angry about an issue, try not to make it any worse. Sometimes you can, sometimes you won't. But, for gosh sakes, at least try people! We *ARE* on the same side!!!
For Rob et al. at Slashdot: Please consider removing the Anonymous Coward facility from the site. It would not be censorship. Let us be individually accountable for our commentary and do not give us a cloaking device that 99% of the time ends up being abused as a way to insult, ridicule and hurt people. If someone doesn't want to post unless they can anonymously, then let them go. We as a community do not need them here. They are a liability, not an asset.
My friends, we *do* need to grow up like ESR says. Many of us are immature, but that's ok. You can be forgiven, if you also are willing to learn from your mistakes and from others. If you are not, then please go somewhere else. This is a serious issue, one that has been becoming more and more volatile in lots of places. I for one will try to be more patient and civil...I hope my fellow tribefolk will do the same.
There's another little dollop of code over in Cambridge that can help with this matter:
ftp://net-dist.mit.edu/pub/PGP/
I spose the bright side to all this is...um, well...I guess there isn't one after all.
It must be true b/c he said so...
"I am Linus Torvalds, I am your god..."
Hallelujah!! Praise Linus!!!
That being said, what I think this question really addresses is the need for solid, consistent APIs and widget sets. My impression so far is that toolsets like Qt, GTK, Java, etc. are getting better and more easy to use. That, to me, is one key factor in making Linux more usable: Solid GUI toolset foundations.
Another aspect that needs to be considered is programming discipline. While the Windows APIs and toolsets have made rapid application development more possible, they also have made programmers more susceptible to being lazy and less concerned about feature bloat, etc. I only hope that people who do program more extensively than I do will take the time to be (a) consistent in their coding practices and (b) respectful of cross-platform issues. If the available toolsets are not misused, then Linux will become more usable (interface-wise) without much effort.
People..get a clue. I don't *know* ESR, but I have met him. He is warm, witty and passionate about Linux, open software and other geeky things. I don't happen to share his love of firearms, but then again I don't have any right to judge him about it either.
It's his choice to write these pieces, and your choice to read it or not. It is his right to be able to express himself as he so desires as long as he harms no one. On the other hand, you have NO right to expect him to make you happy or agree with you.
Happy New Year to all of you, including the MSCEs out there. It's going to be a wild year for us geeks so put on your seat belt...
ESR, thanks for you sharing your gift of words and IMHO funny sense of humor!
--Rick