Depends on what you mean. Here we're comparing an entire operating system to a single application. Makes me wonder about the application.
> Of course it does. It's not a UNIX app.
I think he was referring to the old UNIX rule of writing programs that do one job and do it well. Here, with Word, it tries to do everything.
> How do you figure?
I would bet he's right on it running as root. Remember, this is Microsoft, not known for making the best engineering decisions. They'll probably have some weird reason.
> But then that's a fault of UNIX allowing an application to bring down the system.
Unix doesn't allow an application to "bring down the system". However, if it's running as root and the code sucks, an exploit could allow a cracker to "bring down the system."
> Pray tell how a UNIX port would give you LESS freedom?
When all the newbies begin using Word for everything, including very small notes.
> That's just ridiculous.
No, it isn't. That's exactly what Microsoft is leaning towards. The more people it can get on it's Passport service, the better for them. And what better way than to force them to? With all these new products being.NET based, there has to be some level of network authentication so you can download those pieces that you need to run the program. Not very many people who are used to running Unix like this idea.
> Even if Microsoft does sell a lot of Office/UNIX, then the Koffice/StarOffice people will have a whole lot of customers available to directly lure -- right now they have to convince many people to change platforms!
I don't think that "customers" are the right word to use here. How about "users"? Right now, they already have a whole bunch of customers to directly lure from each other. Adding Microsoft Word to the group only adds a poisoned apple pretending to be a fresh piece of fruit.
> Don't make me laugh. Every new iteration brings a new really really stupid and annoying 'feature'... (e.g., clippy, smart menus, smart tags)
No, it is quite user friendly, such that even the most ignorant user can type a nice looking paper. I work at a computer lab for a university, and I've seen ignorance at it best. But even those people appear to be "experts" when hiding behind these made-for-idiots programs.
I felt really, really let down after seeing Dungeons and Dragons (ack!). After seeing LotR, I felt redeemed. If you haven't seen it yet, go out and do so! It is truly an excellent film, and worth the money for the ticket.
FYI - CNN says it's already made $73.1 million in the U.S. and Canada alone!
Same here. I'm on Time Warner's "Road Runner" service here in Cincinnati, Ohio (US). We don't have any kinds of restrictions except for port 23 (which I believe every single broadband company does.) It's only been down a couple times in the past year, and my speed is seemingly constant at 40K upload, 300+K download. No limit to connections, servers, etc, and they allow 2 ips per modem. All for $40/month.
The competing broadband company, "Zoomtown", (Cincinnati Bell), is pretty much the same deal, except a slower download, use of NAT, but 4 ips per modem.
We got it good here.
"You've been living in a dream world, Neo. This is the Internet as it exists today." (Points to Australia.)
How does that work? I've always wondered that. With that many different symbols in their alphabet, how do they type things out?
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It would be nice if they made it self-cleaning too. Those things accumulate a lot of dust. I use my dad's 5.0HP shop vac to clean the ones I have. It makes a loud ZZZZZZZZ and sucks the dust right out of there! Sounds like that would break one of these. Neat idea though.:D
"I think if were him I'd give "the man" the finger and go back to my cell."
Oh really? Why should he give a shit about some laws in another country? If I were imprisoned in Russia for writing a computer program, I'd say anything to get back home. Then, once safely home, I'd give the finger (by doing interviews, writing books and articles, etc...) If he were an American, I might agree with you, but in his case, I'd just get the hell out of here. I'm surprised he didn't try to take off once he got out on bond!
Bottom line is scholars need to stay the hell away from America. Period.
I'm relieved to know that he is going to be the set free. I've been very vocal about this at my school ever since it happend. This has been a global embarrassment for our country and our system of laws.
But the DMCA needs to be defeated by an amendment, not by the court system. If the DMCA were found to be flawed by the courts, all they would do (I believe) would be to change it just a little just for the particularities of that case. We need to keep pushing our congressmen to do away with this horrible law once and for all.
Footnote - I'm just repeating what I heard Isaac say once on Off the Hook. So credits to go him.
They use an analogy that goes against what they say later,
"Once you get enough [of the packets] coming in, Spock appears. If you get 98 percent of the packets, you get nothing."
Then later they say,
"The arrangement saves time because neither side cares if a packet gets dropped, thus eliminating the dialogue required by TCP and FTP. "
You have to have all of the data. That's part of the definition of a download. It looks like they're saying "If you don't get it all, you have to try again".
I wonder how hard it would be to highjack a UDP based session like this. What if bogus packets are injected along with the stream of valid ones. Does the math include any form on encyption? Or is this a tunnel for other protocols? Damn it, we need to move away from clear text protocols, not create new ones!
That's a bad analogy. What about "taking a copy of a porche for a joy-ride"? The original user still has his porche, but now you have one too.
It's against the law, yes. But not all laws are made in the interest of protecting people. These kinds of laws are made to protect a market from the inevitable. How can you sell binary data in the Information Age? It's like an eskimo trying to sell snow to another eskimo. But he can if it's illegal to just pick up the snow without buying a license from a certified snow dealer!
When I made a copy of a friends CD to tape, did I steal anything? (Back to that old napster argument.)
And besides, with things like FreeNet being developed, this is all going to be moot someday. Eventually, it will just *be there*, and you can take it if you want, and there'll be no one to point the finger at except for that faceless person who uploaded it in the first place.
Copying is NOT stealing.
Warez are great for starving artists. My buddy is pretty good at flash and 3d studio max now, thanks to warez. He's made some pretty cool stuff with those tools. One of these days when open source catches up with closed source in the multimedia area, this won't matter any more to me. But until then, long live the warez.
I know that some would argue that some distros ship with good multimedia stuff, so if you know of a good equivalent to sound forge and 3d studio max, please let me know!! (john@eh.net)
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> And Linux isn't bloated.
.NET based, there has to be some level of network authentication so you can download those pieces that you need to run the program. Not very many people who are used to running Unix like this idea.
Depends on what you mean. Here we're comparing an entire operating system to a single application. Makes me wonder about the application.
> Of course it does. It's not a UNIX app.
I think he was referring to the old UNIX rule of writing programs that do one job and do it well. Here, with Word, it tries to do everything.
> How do you figure?
I would bet he's right on it running as root. Remember, this is Microsoft, not known for making the best engineering decisions. They'll probably have some weird reason.
> But then that's a fault of UNIX allowing an application to bring down the system.
Unix doesn't allow an application to "bring down the system". However, if it's running as root and the code sucks, an exploit could allow a cracker to "bring down the system."
> Pray tell how a UNIX port would give you LESS freedom?
When all the newbies begin using Word for everything, including very small notes.
> That's just ridiculous.
No, it isn't. That's exactly what Microsoft is leaning towards. The more people it can get on it's Passport service, the better for them. And what better way than to force them to? With all these new products being
> Even if Microsoft does sell a lot of Office/UNIX, then the Koffice/StarOffice people will have a whole lot of customers available to directly lure -- right now they have to convince many people to change platforms!
I don't think that "customers" are the right word to use here. How about "users"? Right now, they already have a whole bunch of customers to directly lure from each other. Adding Microsoft Word to the group only adds a poisoned apple pretending to be a fresh piece of fruit.
> Don't make me laugh. Every new iteration brings a new really really stupid and annoying 'feature'... (e.g., clippy, smart menus, smart tags)
No, it is quite user friendly, such that even the most ignorant user can type a nice looking paper. I work at a computer lab for a university, and I've seen ignorance at it best. But even those people appear to be "experts" when hiding behind these made-for-idiots programs.
> Who'd bother to hack a hack?
Why, a hacker or course!
I felt really, really let down after seeing Dungeons and Dragons (ack!). After seeing LotR, I felt redeemed. If you haven't seen it yet, go out and do so! It is truly an excellent film, and worth the money for the ticket.
FYI - CNN says it's already made $73.1 million in the U.S. and Canada alone!
"We meet again Mr. Anderson, er uh... Gandolph!"
Same here. I'm on Time Warner's "Road Runner" service here in Cincinnati, Ohio (US). We don't have any kinds of restrictions except for port 23 (which I believe every single broadband company does.) It's only been down a couple times in the past year, and my speed is seemingly constant at 40K upload, 300+K download. No limit to connections, servers, etc, and they allow 2 ips per modem. All for $40/month.
The competing broadband company, "Zoomtown", (Cincinnati Bell), is pretty much the same deal, except a slower download, use of NAT, but 4 ips per modem.
We got it good here.
"You've been living in a dream world, Neo. This is the Internet as it exists today." (Points to Australia.)
How does that work? I've always wondered that. With that many different symbols in their alphabet, how do they type things out?
It would be nice if they made it self-cleaning too. Those things accumulate a lot of dust. I use my dad's 5.0HP shop vac to clean the ones I have. It makes a loud ZZZZZZZZ and sucks the dust right out of there! Sounds like that would break one of these. Neat idea though. :D
Bottom line is scholars need to stay the hell away from America. Period.
New to Slashdot, eh? Here is some basic information regarding the case.
I'm relieved to know that he is going to be the set free. I've been very vocal about this at my school ever since it happend. This has been a global embarrassment for our country and our system of laws.
But the DMCA needs to be defeated by an amendment, not by the court system. If the DMCA were found to be flawed by the courts, all they would do (I believe) would be to change it just a little just for the particularities of that case. We need to keep pushing our congressmen to do away with this horrible law once and for all.
Footnote - I'm just repeating what I heard Isaac say once on Off the Hook. So credits to go him.
Then later they say,
You have to have all of the data. That's part of the definition of a download. It looks like they're saying "If you don't get it all, you have to try again".
Or am I missing something here?
I wonder how hard it would be to highjack a UDP based session like this. What if bogus packets are injected along with the stream of valid ones. Does the math include any form on encyption? Or is this a tunnel for other protocols? Damn it, we need to move away from clear text protocols, not create new ones!
That's a bad analogy. What about "taking a copy of a porche for a joy-ride"? The original user still has his porche, but now you have one too. It's against the law, yes. But not all laws are made in the interest of protecting people. These kinds of laws are made to protect a market from the inevitable. How can you sell binary data in the Information Age? It's like an eskimo trying to sell snow to another eskimo. But he can if it's illegal to just pick up the snow without buying a license from a certified snow dealer! When I made a copy of a friends CD to tape, did I steal anything? (Back to that old napster argument.) And besides, with things like FreeNet being developed, this is all going to be moot someday. Eventually, it will just *be there*, and you can take it if you want, and there'll be no one to point the finger at except for that faceless person who uploaded it in the first place. Copying is NOT stealing.
Warez are great for starving artists. My buddy is pretty good at flash and 3d studio max now, thanks to warez. He's made some pretty cool stuff with those tools. One of these days when open source catches up with closed source in the multimedia area, this won't matter any more to me. But until then, long live the warez. I know that some would argue that some distros ship with good multimedia stuff, so if you know of a good equivalent to sound forge and 3d studio max, please let me know!! (john@eh.net)