"Unfortunately, the low education level in the US has produced a bunch of code peasants without the vision to use the tools they now have. These are persons whose main interest is getting a paycheck and going home to the bottle or TV."
I would agree with this. I mean, the IT job market ain't that much worse off than the rest of the job market. People still expect to make $80 an hour making web pages after one of the biggest bubbles in history?...
Fact of the matter is that most "programmers" are incompetent dorks who program because it fits them as a dork. You can usually spot them by the "i'm a.Net programmer" or "Web programmer" or some other pointless specialization. I mean, yeah, memorize the damn language and you can write passing code in it. Big deal.
Any programmer who is worth his salt has already been hired and I seriously bet that those who haven't been hired are going after specific programming areas that just aren't worth anything anymore.
Noone wants to hire a C++ programmer. At most, they want a general programmer who happens to know C++ and who is smart and a good thinker and knows how to learn 'on the fly,' so when things change, they won't have to babysit some arrogrant jerkoff who is also a helpless dork (might as well hire a pretty woman!). At best, they want "a mathematician", and if you're not describing yourself as that to your employers, you're doing yourself a disservice.
It's easier to teach a smart mathematician/business person/etc to code than to teach an average coder how to code better, nevermind teach them math/business/etc.
fellows, does it really matter? i hear Monad is quite good. but then so is bash. so is emacs shell. or perl/python/lisp interpreter of the day...
honestly, the shell is just another language, the utility and efficiency of which depends on the environment, the use, the user, and a million other things.
so stop bashing Monad as a unix wannabe. unix didn't invent the commandline anyway. this is like a blind man making fun of a deaf man.
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Do you? Could be a reallly slow exponential.;)
Today: 50wpm.
20 years: 55 wpm.
40: 63 wpm.
If you live to 1000, you'd be typing dlfjk2082390823 wpm!
You can already get windows for PPC.
But you have to spend the $80 for MS's emulator, which sits on top of OSX. Which, actually, isn't half bad. I wouldn't run Doom3 on it, but most things run great.
Because like most people won't recognize the diff from 1ghz to 2ghz, most of them won't notice the $5 higher per month charge for the electricity used by x86 rather than PowerPC.
And yet every +4 post here, with the exception of 1, is a rip on M$.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a M$ lover, but look, their idea is decent, you have to admit. And yet where is the intelligent discussion of the matter? None.
M$ finally does something good and everyone rips on them. What a bunch of dorks.
There's a reason your jobs are getting shipped to India!
"As of 4/26/05 I enter the world of a non-smoker. Wish me luck and a lot of support."
Hows it going?
I quit a few months ago for 5 weeks... but then I cracked again, after I had made it through the tough part:( Oh well, at least I know I can still do it.
I think in 5 years you'll think diferently. This is just the start.
I mean, Apple II came out and mainframe people though "give me a fucking break. compromized POS". and now look who's top dog.
Uh guys, he's right.
Nokia is releasing their new phone in a few months: 4gb HD, phone, 2mp camera, and with decent battery life (as good as ipod!). Price ~$700.
Now, imagine it in a few years. Why would anyone have 3 seperate gadgets, taking up 3 pockets (i only have 1 free pocket anyway), when you could get all 3 together in a tiny little phone for roughly the same price?...
Pretty soon, your cell-phone, mp3 player, pda/blackberry, and camera will all be in one tiny box. All that'll be left is your desktop computer/server/entertainment system for home, and if you're lucky, your laptop.
Am I missing something?
supposedly Nokia has been testing that out by punishing them with all the usual methods... i'm not sure i'd buy one of these things right when they come out, but i'd be surprised if Nokia fucked up bad enough as to let the HD break after a couple months.
Math is not numbers. You're thinking of numerals, which are just character strings that happen to be composed of numerals.
You can just as easily rewrite addition and such to use alphabetic characters... look up the definition of a "Turing Machine" which is one description of the foundation of all math. All it is is character manipulation with "If... then..." statements.
When you write an algorithm, you are coding. When you write an algorithm to check an algorithm, you are writing a proof, whether you're using numbers or not.
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I would agree with this. I mean, the IT job market ain't that much worse off than the rest of the job market. People still expect to make $80 an hour making web pages after one of the biggest bubbles in history? ...
Fact of the matter is that most "programmers" are incompetent dorks who program because it fits them as a dork. You can usually spot them by the "i'm a .Net programmer" or "Web programmer" or some other pointless specialization. I mean, yeah, memorize the damn language and you can write passing code in it. Big deal.
Any programmer who is worth his salt has already been hired and I seriously bet that those who haven't been hired are going after specific programming areas that just aren't worth anything anymore.
Noone wants to hire a C++ programmer. At most, they want a general programmer who happens to know C++ and who is smart and a good thinker and knows how to learn 'on the fly,' so when things change, they won't have to babysit some arrogrant jerkoff who is also a helpless dork (might as well hire a pretty woman!). At best, they want "a mathematician", and if you're not describing yourself as that to your employers, you're doing yourself a disservice.
It's easier to teach a smart mathematician/business person/etc to code than to teach an average coder how to code better, nevermind teach them math/business/etc.
you coulda just written a mini interprerter to take care of the syntax for you.
fellows, does it really matter? i hear Monad is quite good. but then so is bash. so is emacs shell. or perl/python/lisp interpreter of the day...
honestly, the shell is just another language, the utility and efficiency of which depends on the environment, the use, the user, and a million other things.
so stop bashing Monad as a unix wannabe. unix didn't invent the commandline anyway. this is like a blind man making fun of a deaf man.
Do you? Could be a reallly slow exponential. ;)
Today: 50wpm.
20 years: 55 wpm.
40: 63 wpm.
If you live to 1000, you'd be typing dlfjk2082390823 wpm!
You can already get windows for PPC. But you have to spend the $80 for MS's emulator, which sits on top of OSX. Which, actually, isn't half bad. I wouldn't run Doom3 on it, but most things run great.
Because like most people won't recognize the diff from 1ghz to 2ghz, most of them won't notice the $5 higher per month charge for the electricity used by x86 rather than PowerPC.
Except OSX is actually NeXT, which supports x86 chipset. So at this point porting everything to x86 will be relatively easy.
And yet every +4 post here, with the exception of 1, is a rip on M$.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a M$ lover, but look, their idea is decent, you have to admit. And yet where is the intelligent discussion of the matter? None.
M$ finally does something good and everyone rips on them. What a bunch of dorks.
There's a reason your jobs are getting shipped to India!
o stfu. don't hate.
"As of 4/26/05 I enter the world of a non-smoker. Wish me luck and a lot of support."
:( Oh well, at least I know I can still do it.
Hows it going?
I quit a few months ago for 5 weeks... but then I cracked again, after I had made it through the tough part
Don't be afraid to break out the manpurse. Ubergeeks everywhere will stare in awe.
I think in 5 years you'll think diferently. This is just the start. I mean, Apple II came out and mainframe people though "give me a fucking break. compromized POS". and now look who's top dog.
Bill has cash to burn. I wouldn't understimate M$ ;) Also, they just partnered with Nokia.
actually, the military and campers love sporks.
Uh guys, he's right. Nokia is releasing their new phone in a few months: 4gb HD, phone, 2mp camera, and with decent battery life (as good as ipod!). Price ~$700. Now, imagine it in a few years. Why would anyone have 3 seperate gadgets, taking up 3 pockets (i only have 1 free pocket anyway), when you could get all 3 together in a tiny little phone for roughly the same price? ...
Pretty soon, your cell-phone, mp3 player, pda/blackberry, and camera will all be in one tiny box. All that'll be left is your desktop computer/server/entertainment system for home, and if you're lucky, your laptop.
Am I missing something?
i went from TROLL to REDUNDANT.... and yet the corporate wars wage on.... /. is ignorant.
Anyone else get the impression that this is Microsoft (through funding SCO) attacking IBM, a little corporate war?
.net is a piece a shit.
supposedly Nokia has been testing that out by punishing them with all the usual methods... i'm not sure i'd buy one of these things right when they come out, but i'd be surprised if Nokia fucked up bad enough as to let the HD break after a couple months.
do it.
Free??! I thought G.W. Bush already paid for it in advance?! What did I miss?
Everyone knows Al Gore created the Tech Bubble.
Just so that we keep thingsin scale here, 99.999999999999....% of all math problems are not provable/solvable. They are random information.
The specific argument is "measure-theoretic", and Chaitin explains it all well. But it's the same as saying that the Real Numbers are Uncountable.
...quickly followed by the automatic playing of the Paris Hilton porno, included with all new distributions.
In all seriousness, it's supposed to increase the number of computers running linux as their primary desktop to 100% within the next few days.
The OS war is officialy dead. We won!
Math is not numbers. You're thinking of numerals, which are just character strings that happen to be composed of numerals. You can just as easily rewrite addition and such to use alphabetic characters... look up the definition of a "Turing Machine" which is one description of the foundation of all math. All it is is character manipulation with "If ... then ..." statements.
When you write an algorithm, you are coding. When you write an algorithm to check an algorithm, you are writing a proof, whether you're using numbers or not.