Re:Linux Torvalds has been working on Crusoe linux
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WHAT?????
The whole _POINT_ of Crusoe is that you _DON'T_ run native code. EVER. That ruins the whole beauty of the architecture. That would be like taking the eiffel tower and removing two of the legs...
The whole point of the code morphing stuff is that they can change the native instruction set when ever they want w/o having to worry about it affecting in production proggy's/OS's. Thus they can move to the latest, greatest ideas in microchip design w/o losing customers. This is clearly stated on their website and in numerous articles about transmeta.
Linus isn't working on this because the idea goes counter to everything Transmeta is working on.
According to one article I read... maybe it was on linuxtoday.com.... I disremember. These patches are not being accepted simply because the memory management patches to support these large machines doesn't scale back down to desktops, laptops or handhelds. In other words, making the ness. changes in the kernel to roll this stuff in would affect performance on your server, desktop, or PDA. Considering that 99%+ of Linux users are running on these platforms it doesn't make sense to apply these patches. ---
RobK
Also, that(patent) pretty much defines what
a Laboratory Information Management System
_is_. (See my webpage for more info if
you feel motivated.) The whole point
is modeling the workflow so your
content(published reports or peer-reviewed
articles) meet your labs quality standards...
And yes, most LIMS do enforce content approval of some form or another. They also support an audit trail so you can see the most recent values of your results and all the changes that have occured
in the past....
Granted, we are not talking about something that will do production management on your whole report... just the results of individual experiments. However, given how vague most
patents are, I'm sure that a good lawyer could probably make a compelling case
Ummm... that would be wise county _VA_ not NC.
In other words, your one state north.
And of course, wise county is _not_ the home
of "Research Triangle Area[sic]" (it should be research triangle park), Durham county houses most
of it, with just a little bit in WAKE county.
This is a horrible, horrible example but it is an example.
I run LinuxPPC on a small harddrive with linux and Mac installed. Since my wife usually runs Mac, but occasionally runs linux, I have a symlink to a dir on the HFS partition(mac standard file system) that
links straight into her document directory on the mac side. That way she doesn't need to sync up
the files from one side or the other, she's always working on the same files.
It works very well, and I'm sure there
are more reasons than this to use r/w access
to non-ext2 file systems. ---
RobK
Wow, that is one of the most
out of date postings I've
ever seen on/.
Apple has been making money
since 1998. There were several
quarters where they lost
a lot of money... but that
was stopped 2 YEARS ago. For
2 YEARS they have been consistantly
making a proft _and_ that profit
has been increasing.
If you are going to take pot shot at
a company at least get your facts straight. ---
RobK
If combined with a better than babelfish translator.
I've worked with several non-native english speakers over the years and it would be truely great if I could have my email translated, and then have mood watch double check and make sure I didn't accidently slip in some offensive slang or something. Sometimes phrases that seem very innocent in the writers native language can end up being a slang term for something that the reader may find offensive....
As a professional IT consultant working for one of the Big 5 consultancy firms,...
Whatever. This stuff really annoys me. This is the geek equivalent of name dropping.
Look, the majority of the people here are "professional IT consultants." Most of us have worked at fortune 500 companies at one point or another. Stating something like this actually detracts from your arguement. It makes you look like you feel the need to justify your "expertise." It is just bad rhetoric.
This is a major flaw in the reasoning behind open source. When Linux led the start of this movement I doubt Linus Torvalds say the day when people would deliberately choose inferior software to please a man whose ivory tower ideals conflict with real-world realism. Let me tell you, the corporate world would rather have the quality product rather than the alternatives, even if they don't use the GPL. And since the continued success of Linux relies on it gaining corporate mindshare, maybe it's time for a little more productivity and a little less childishness.
You really should do some research before you put your foot in your mouth. Open source software is generally rated as higher quality by it's users... No, I'm not talking Linux zealots... I'm talking companies like Yahoo who uses FreeBSD, or Google who uses Linux or any on of the 60%+ companies running apache.
Easier than that. It can the word macro
could just access the internet capabilities of
IE3.0 and above and ftp a file where-ever you
want.
Since it's known that IE is installed on almost
every machine (and that it's an activex component)
makes it just sooooo easy to say upload an entire
harddrive to a given site....
Or barring that, I'm sure there's some activex
exploit that could be used to install the internet
activex control that ships with vb(especially since activex controls signed by microsoft are automatically trusted until the user says they aren't anymore... then the sky is the limit!
This was the best I could do on short notice. (Took about 3 minutes of searching.)
http://www.itmatter s.bworldonline.com/past/0897/new08/str7.html While it does not draw a direct connection between the two, the $150M investment was announced at the same time as an agreement for cross-licensceing of all patents. I have seen this stated much more forcefull other places (I _THINK_ it was the register, but I'm not positive.)
Is this good enough or should I dig around a little more?
You know I don't normally respond to
stuff like this, but hey
I'm an a foul mood.
If you clueless newbies would actually
do some research and got back to the
news stories and press releases about this
you would see it clearly mentioned that these
are non-voting shares.
Secondly, jackass I don't use Mac. I make
my living developing for windows and I
run an open source project (GLIMS, see my
.sig) that is corss platform. This
has nothing to do with spreading FUD mr. troll
Now get back to what you were doing, you're late
for class.
Microsoft's shares are non-voting and was part
of an under-the-table patent disupte settlement. They have little or no influence on Apple's policy.
As evidenced by Apple's testimony in the anti-trust trial about MS's trickery involving quicktime.
Apple has been a profitable company (with out infusuions of cash since before the introduction of the imac, can't remember the year right now).
I stand corrected regarding his being a consultant.
I do stand by however my statements regarding his bias verging on bigotry against not only the defendant and the whole open source community. If you read the ruling you will see DeCCS compared to a presidential assination AND you will be inform that we (the open source movement) believe that information should be free essentially by any means ness. Last time I checked that simply was not true for the majority of open source individuals. It is a gross parody of what I understand OS to be about. There are a number of parrells that could be made here.... but I leave that as an excersise for the reader.
One more time. This is _not_ about copying DVD's. Hell, I hope hollywood makes sevaral googleplexs of us dollars this year. Then maybe I'll finally get to see a six movie series of the Thomas Covenant, Unbeliever books.
I just hope if I lay out $129.00 for the dvd set, I can view it on the OS of my choice. That is what it is about. I don't want to be told what OS I can run, which is _WHY_ I run linux.
It's pretty clear that the judge from the begining has seen the programmers as a bunch of punk kids. The legal treatment of those involved has been amazingly shoddy. I could see the judge being disbarred for this, he oversaw the trial even though he'd been a consultant with the MPAA just a few years ago.... Yeah, they give him a large sum of money and he's supposed to be un-biased???
It's very much like java. It compiles into p-code, and the interpreter run that. Off the top of my head, I can't remember the name of the interpreter, but to start the prog you had to run a command like {progname} c:\windows\lims\blah....
It was really a pain in the ass. Most of what I did was replacing the outdated parts so that it could do fancy things like use modern laser printers and such....
I don't think you are too far off the mark. Many people have claimed exactly the same thing for the early versions of Mac Office. Having used the early versions a little in college I can tell you I was pretty much begging to use vi....
Also this could just be part of the legal posturing surronding the antitrust case...
Or it could just be a preemptive strike against K/Gnome/Star/Applix office suites.
Who knows. However, if I were a betting man I would say the word to go public with this story came from the Ballmer-Gates symbiot.
Sadly, they claim that ShareZilla has a "stealth" mode, which sounds like a hacked gnutella server which will only return a string (no file name), and will also scramble the ip address... Looks like banning IP addresses isn't going to be the ultimate solution.....
Simply because some of have will have to do
to pressures of work, family or other obiligations.
1) If all development at work is done
on Windows ME, then I'll need to install Windows ME if I desire to work at home. (Not the case for me, since I don't have any intel hardware. But if I did, you can pretty much bet I'd need n-boot the latest version of widows consumer and nt).
2) Or If our kids/wife/mother/brother/sister "needs" to run windows me for their work/fav game/etc., then what is our choice when we order a new computer? [ My case, well it would be if I used Intel... I run LinuxPPC and my wife is loath to learn Linux, so I keep shelling out for the MacOS upgrades. So if at some point apple makes a change like this that affect BootX, I'm hosed.]
3) Other Obligations, if for example my Dharma Center wants me to maintain on their Excel2002 spreadsheet that is shared between 15 windows users and me.... either I make 15 people change or my working environment.
There's lots of reasons one needs to dual-boot windows... and several (above) one might need to dual-boot the most recent ones....
I'm not sure, but I know a lot of people were upset about it being so corparate-y last year. I don't know if they are taking this year to do a strategic re-evaluation or what, but they are saying it isn't dead yet!
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WHAT?????
The whole _POINT_ of Crusoe is that you _DON'T_ run native code. EVER. That ruins the whole beauty of the architecture. That would be like taking the eiffel tower and removing two of the legs...
The whole point of the code morphing stuff is that they can change the native instruction set when ever they want w/o having to worry about it affecting in production proggy's/OS's. Thus they can move to the latest, greatest ideas in microchip design w/o losing customers. This is clearly stated on their website and in numerous articles about transmeta.
Linus isn't working on this because the idea goes counter to everything Transmeta is working on.
According to one article I read... maybe it was on linuxtoday.com.... I disremember. These patches are not being accepted simply because the memory management patches to support these large machines doesn't scale back down to desktops, laptops or handhelds. In other words, making the ness. changes in the kernel to roll this stuff in would affect performance on your server, desktop, or PDA. Considering that 99%+ of Linux users are running on these platforms it doesn't make sense to apply these patches.
---
RobK
Obviously you aren't trying hard enough. Once you rub a hole in that annoying skull, it's pretty easy. :)
---
RobK
Also, that(patent) pretty much defines what a Laboratory Information Management System _is_. (See my webpage for more info if you feel motivated.) The whole point is modeling the workflow so your content(published reports or peer-reviewed articles) meet your labs quality standards...
And yes, most LIMS do enforce content approval of some form or another. They also support an audit trail so you can see the most recent values of your results and all the changes that have occured in the past....
Granted, we are not talking about something that will do production management on your whole report... just the results of individual experiments. However, given how vague most patents are, I'm sure that a good lawyer could probably make a compelling case
Prior art... I submit the entire LIMS industry. :)
---
RobK
Ummm... that would be wise county _VA_ not NC.
In other words, your one state north.
And of course, wise county is _not_ the home
of "Research Triangle Area[sic]" (it should be research triangle park), Durham county houses most
of it, with just a little bit in WAKE county.
---
RobK
This is a horrible, horrible example but it is an example.
I run LinuxPPC on a small harddrive with linux and Mac installed. Since my wife usually runs Mac, but occasionally runs linux, I have a symlink to a dir on the HFS partition(mac standard file system) that
links straight into her document directory on the mac side. That way she doesn't need to sync up
the files from one side or the other, she's always working on the same files.
It works very well, and I'm sure there
are more reasons than this to use r/w access
to non-ext2 file systems.
---
RobK
Wow, that is one of the most /.
out of date postings I've
ever seen on
Apple has been making money
since 1998. There were several
quarters where they lost
a lot of money... but that
was stopped 2 YEARS ago. For
2 YEARS they have been consistantly
making a proft _and_ that profit
has been increasing.
If you are going to take pot shot at
a company at least get your facts straight.
---
RobK
If combined with a better than babelfish translator.
I've worked with several non-native english speakers over the years and it would be truely great if I could have my email translated, and then have mood watch double check and make sure I didn't accidently slip in some offensive slang or something. Sometimes phrases that seem very innocent in the writers native language can end up being a slang term for something that the reader may find offensive....
In that case MoodWatch actually has a point....
As a professional IT consultant working for one of the Big 5 consultancy firms,...
Whatever. This stuff really annoys me. This is the geek equivalent of name dropping.
Look, the majority of the people here are "professional IT consultants." Most of us have worked at fortune 500 companies at one point or another. Stating something like this actually detracts from your arguement. It makes you look like you feel the need to justify your "expertise." It is just bad rhetoric.
This is a major flaw in the reasoning behind open source. When Linux led the start of this movement I doubt Linus Torvalds say the day when people would deliberately choose inferior software to please a man whose ivory tower ideals conflict with real-world realism. Let me tell you, the corporate world would rather have the quality product rather than the alternatives, even if they don't use the GPL. And since the continued success of Linux relies on it gaining corporate mindshare, maybe it's time for a little more productivity and a little less childishness.
You really should do some research before you put your foot in your mouth. Open source software is generally rated as higher quality by it's users... No, I'm not talking Linux zealots... I'm talking companies like Yahoo who uses FreeBSD, or Google who uses Linux or any on of the 60%+ companies running apache.
Your comments belie your ignorance and bias.
Easier than that. It can the word macro
could just access the internet capabilities of
IE3.0 and above and ftp a file where-ever you
want.
Since it's known that IE is installed on almost
every machine (and that it's an activex component)
makes it just sooooo easy to say upload an entire
harddrive to a given site....
Or barring that, I'm sure there's some activex
exploit that could be used to install the internet
activex control that ships with vb(especially since activex controls signed by microsoft are automatically trusted until the user says they aren't anymore... then the sky is the limit!
This was the best I could do on short notice. (Took about 3 minutes of searching.)
http://www.itmatter s.bworldonline.com/past/0897/new08/str7.html
While it does not draw a direct connection between the two, the $150M investment was announced at the same time as an agreement for cross-licensceing of all patents. I have seen this stated much more forcefull other places (I _THINK_ it was the register, but I'm not positive.)
Is this good enough or should I dig around a little more?
Are you sure about that?
If you check out the link above, you'll see they
are moving to a java-like (but with different TLA's) engine to work around the Win32-Win64 issues!
Gotta love it!
You know I don't normally respond to
stuff like this, but hey
I'm an a foul mood.
If you clueless newbies would actually
do some research and got back to the
news stories and press releases about this
you would see it clearly mentioned that these
are non-voting shares.
Secondly, jackass I don't use Mac. I make
my living developing for windows and I
run an open source project (GLIMS, see my
.sig) that is corss platform. This
has nothing to do with spreading FUD mr. troll
Now get back to what you were doing, you're late
for class.
Microsoft's shares are non-voting and was part
of an under-the-table patent disupte settlement. They have little or no influence on Apple's policy.
As evidenced by Apple's testimony in the anti-trust trial about MS's trickery involving quicktime.
Apple has been a profitable company (with out infusuions of cash since before the introduction of the imac, can't remember the year right now).
User id's don't nescessarily mean anything. Some people (me for one) hung around for _years_ before getting a login.
Then there are lost pawwsords and such.
I stand corrected regarding his being a consultant.
I do stand by however my statements regarding his bias verging on bigotry against not only the defendant and the whole open source community. If you read the ruling you will see DeCCS compared to a presidential assination AND you will be inform that we (the open source movement) believe that information should be free essentially by any means ness. Last time I checked that simply was not true for the majority of open source individuals. It is a gross parody of what I understand OS to be about. There are a number of parrells that could be made here.... but I leave that as an excersise for the reader.
One more time. This is _not_ about copying DVD's. Hell, I hope hollywood makes sevaral googleplexs of us dollars this year. Then maybe I'll finally get to see a six movie series of the Thomas Covenant, Unbeliever books.
I just hope if I lay out $129.00 for the dvd set, I can view it on the OS of my choice. That is what it is about. I don't want to be told what OS I can run, which is _WHY_ I run linux.
It's pretty clear that the judge from the begining has seen the programmers as a bunch of punk kids. The legal treatment of those involved has been amazingly shoddy. I could see the judge being disbarred for this, he oversaw the trial even though he'd been a consultant with the MPAA just a few years ago.... Yeah, they give him a large sum of money and he's supposed to be un-biased???
It's appeal time.
It's very much like java. It compiles into p-code, and the interpreter run that. Off the top of my head, I can't remember the name of the interpreter, but to start the prog you had to run a command like {progname} c:\windows\lims\blah....
It was really a pain in the ass. Most of what I did was replacing the outdated parts so that it could do fancy things like use modern laser printers and such....
I don't think you are too far off the mark. Many people have claimed exactly the same thing for the early versions of Mac Office. Having used the early versions a little in college I can tell you I was pretty much begging to use vi....
Also this could just be part of the legal posturing surronding the antitrust case...
Or it could just be a preemptive strike against K/Gnome/Star/Applix office suites.
Who knows. However, if I were a betting man I would say the word to go public with this story came from the Ballmer-Gates symbiot.
Sorry, my fingers are very clumsy today.....
The variant is called synergy and the site is at http://www.synergex.com/prod ucts/synergyde/default.htm
Sorry about that....
DIBOL??? ACK! I had to work with a DIBOL variant called . Dibol may have been nice once upon a time, but it hasn't aged very well.
(I believe there is a linux version availibe if you feel nostalgic and want to spend some serious $$$.)
The only nice part was being able to support new platforms w/o a recompile.... but that's just because it's interpreted.
Sadly, they claim that ShareZilla has a "stealth" mode, which sounds like a hacked gnutella server which will only return a string (no file name), and will also scramble the ip address... Looks like banning IP addresses isn't going to be the ultimate solution.....
I'd prefer vibrating. :)
Simply because some of have will have to do
to pressures of work, family or other obiligations.
1) If all development at work is done
on Windows ME, then I'll need to install Windows ME if I desire to work at home. (Not the case for me, since I don't have any intel hardware. But if I did, you can pretty much bet I'd need n-boot the latest version of widows consumer and nt).
2) Or If our kids/wife/mother/brother/sister "needs" to run windows me for their work/fav game/etc., then what is our choice when we order a new computer? [ My case, well it would be if I used Intel... I run LinuxPPC and my wife is loath to learn Linux, so I keep shelling out for the MacOS upgrades. So if at some point apple makes a change like this that affect BootX, I'm hosed.]
3) Other Obligations, if for example my Dharma Center wants me to maintain on their Excel2002 spreadsheet that is shared between 15 windows users and me.... either I make 15 people change or my working environment.
There's lots of reasons one needs to dual-boot windows... and several (above) one might need to dual-boot the most recent ones....
I'm not sure, but I know a lot of people were upset about it being so corparate-y last year. I don't know if they are taking this year to do a strategic re-evaluation or what, but they are saying it isn't dead yet!