The real reason I think that consoles will never compltely destroy the PC market is the input. Real-time strategy games are an example of this.
It's also up to who is delivering the best content, a good PC game can hurt console sales. For example:
"Issuing a profit warning in March, Larry Probst, chief executive of the biggest games publisher, Electronic Arts, said everybody in the industry had been surprised by WoW's success and how much time people were spending online - to the extent they were not buying as many console games."
I take it you didn't try to play doom 3 when it came out! I had just bought a $250 ati AIW 9600 XT.
Actually I bought my 9600 XT for about $150 soon after it was released, OEM at local computer swapmeet - we were refering to DIY'ers, and I play Doom 3 at 1024x768 or 1280x1024. Seems find to me.
Sure the graphics are better on a pc, but try to take a corner without buying some special joystick or steering wheel addon.. then try to get it to work in windows! ugh!
The joystick or steering wheel is not an add-on for consoles? Also I've added a USB joystick, and all sorts of other USB devices, to my PC and they work just as well as on my Mac. I was actually surprised when I plugged my first digital camera into Win2K and it autodected and mounted the camera as a removable drive with JPG files on it, just like on my Mac. Haven't tried a steering wheel, a friend is more into driving games and he has a USB device and I've never heard any complaints. We tend to swap info on stuff like that, good or bad, so I expect that I would have heard something.
Other things being equal, the DIY-heavy PC gaming industry can't hope to compete in that kind of market. Which is to say that once the 18-34 demographic starts buying $400 PS3s instead of $400 video cards, developers may have no choice but to follow suit.
A $400 video card is a red herring. They are only for early adopters who want to win pissing contests. The latest games are written to run well on far more modest cards. A DIY'er could buy a $150 video card when building the system and then upgrade to a different $150 card 18-24 months later and not miss out on any games. Been there, done that. In comparison my console is stuck in time for 5 years.
Also some games just seem to work much better on PCs, RTS for example. Even with games that do work well on consoles, FPS for example, my personal feeling is that FPSs designed to work on both PCs and consoles seemed "dumbed down" compared to FPSs that were designed to work only on PCs.
I'm sure others will mention the more obvious reasons why PC gaming will not die so I'll only mention an offbeat on. It is a much easier market to enter. A startup can develop a game and market it themselves. No need to get blessings from some arbitrary authority.
PC gaming will only go away when PCs themselves go away.
I agree, and I wish things were that simple. If Microsoft ever dominates the OS market completely and kills Linux, BSD and other OSes, we won't be able to run any FOSS app on windows. Heh, it might actually happen sooner with the upcoming DRM.
Untrue. DRM will not prevent user from building and running their own code. As for a user accessing DRM'd material FOSS developers could implement the necessary code, support the hardware embedded on the motherboard just like Windows. Intel is probably not going to make the interface to their chipset unavailable.
This may be an indication that they've found a way other than MS Office to make money. Cos it's going to be a big problem for them financially if they haven't. MS Office being one of their most profitable products.
No, it's not a problem. MS used to publish Word/Excel formats and that was when they had viable competition.
Personally I doubt vendor lock had much to do with their undocumented formats. I'd wager that once upon a time the format were designed and code was written to implement that design. As the years and features accumulated the code and format became more of a kludge of a kludge and the documentation was no longer maintained. The infamous "the code is the documentation". Now with the switch to XML they may be starting all over and have an accurate design once again and actually have accurate documentation that could be published.
FOSS' mission is not to help Linux, it is to help users. To help users get something useful done and to be able to deal with problems themselves if they have no recourse. FOSS is bigger, and older, than Linux.
But in order to port to windows you need to own a windows box and a suitable compiler, which costs money you as a developer may be unwilling to spend..
Untrue, MS makes the compiler freely available:
"Q. What is the Visual C++ Toolkit 2003?
A. The Visual C++ Toolkit is a free edition of Microsoft's professional Visual C++ optimizing compiler and standard libraries--the same optimizing compiler and standard libraries that ship in Visual Studio.NET 2003 Professional!
Q. Are there any restrictions on how I use the Visual C++ Toolkit?
A. In general, no. You may use the Toolkit to build C++ -based applications, even commercial applications, and you may redistribute those applications in accordance with the terms of the End User License Agreement (EULA).
" http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
He doesn't accept patches for glibc to support the BSD buffer-overflow-protected string functions(e.g. strlcpy() and friends) because programers are supposed to be smart enough not to write buffer overflows (his arguement). As a result of his policy, many open source apps have been forced to roll their own functions or else use the error prone posix ones.
That is not true. The BSD source code could be dropped directly into anyone's app. There is no need to roll your own, there is not licensing conflict.
Your characterization of his analogy as "hysterical" blows what little credibility you may have left.
You have read his comment that started this thread? Here:
"Stallman's take? "In effect, Nokia is lobbying the European Union to give Nokia and many others a new kind of weapon to shoot at software authors and users with--and telling the legislators, 'Don't worry, it's safe to let private armies carry these guns, because we promise that our gunmen won't shoot anyone in that building.'""
You think that furthers FOSS and does not perpetuate a negative image?
It's amazing how he seems to raise the hackles of corporate shills everywhere. We need more people like him. If that makes me a fan then so be it.
I'm a corporate shill? Good lord how ignorant you are. Hint: there are many FOSS supporters and advocates who cringe when RMS speaks in public. And no you do not seem a fan, you seem a fanboi. There is a distinction.
So hows that list of corporate speaking engagements coming along? Yeah, right.
"I'm under the impression that it is primarily from Linux user groups, academia, and other parts of the FOSS community."
Well then you are under the wrong impression.
Sorry but googling does not support your impression. Are you his personal secretary, care to share his calendar or whatever you use to form your impression?
I think you blew any credibility you may have had with your pointless bashing of RMS.
Sorry, but you are digging yourself in a deeper hole. The criticism of his hysterical analogy was spot on. He does reinforce negative stereotypes. That's reality, get past the fanboi'ism.
Of course I took the utopian view. Guess that's a direct reflection of my self image huh?
I don't think self image has much to do with it. I feel no need to pick fights in bars but when in a rowdy bar I expect someone else may do so. I don't think its optimism either, I don't believe that I am pessimistic. It may have more to do with having spent a good deal of time with nature. Nature is beautiful, I enjoy it, but the mountain or ocean will kill a person if they don't show some awareness, or if they have really really bad luck.
"A practical political calculation made by Republican and Democratic presidents over and over again. It's one of those "third rail" issues. Politicians have to pick their battles carefully or they will never have the opportunity to fight the good important battles."
...so 57% of the US federal prison population are there for drug offences and the US has the second highest amount of prisoners proportionally (next to Rwanda) and the highest amount of prisons anywhere.
You are mixing two different problems. The prison population size is bloated due to mandatory minimum sentences. We could simply levy fines on users, reserve prison for importation, sale, etc. Support for such legislation would not be a "third rail" like legalization.
I was under the impression there was a tremendous amount of invitation for Mr Stallman to speak at all kinds of functions.
I'm under the impression that it is primarily from Linux user groups, academia, and other parts of the FOSS community. Not from business groups curious about Linux, thankfully there are others available for that.
BTW you forgot to call him smelly and a communist. Please do better next time OK?
Thank you for blowing any credibility you may have had. End of conversation.
He [Eisenhower] started the Viet Nam War though strengthening said complex.
"through" ?
Eisenhower "started" the Viet Nam war by choosing the French over the Vietnamese people. We fought to liberate France and we fought to liberate Vietnam, then we let the French reoccupy Vietnam to maintain our good relations with France. What a mistake.
Nixon when his presidental committee released a report saying hemp, marijuana, should be legalized he said he didn't care what the recommendation was, there was no way he would allow it to be legalized.
A practical political calculation made by Republican and Democratic presidents over and over again. It's one of those "third rail" issues. Politicians have to pick their battles carefully or they will never have the opportunity to fight the good important battles.
As a race, we are simply bastards from hell. We grow like weeds, are greedy, short sighted, end up killing significant percentages of our own lot every 10 years or so, arrogant as hell, shit where we eat....
Anyone advanced enough to actually be in a position to address us, knows better!
You are completely mistaken. Compared to other species on our planet our reproduction is very slow. Also in comparison our thinking is long term. And other species are often very greedy and destroy habitat, nature keeps things in check by limiting the population size not by removng the greed.
Regarding our violence well we are the decendants of the survivors of ruthless competition for limited resources. You can not expect to completely undo millions of years of natural selection with a handful of years of pacifist philosophy. I'm not implying that pacifist philosophy is new, just that it has not been very successful historically and has to be periodically rediscovered. Pacifists need isolation or friendly non-pacifists to protect them from the hostile non-pacifists.
Now it is naively optimistic to think that any other civilization that evolves in a competitive environment and achieves a high level of technology would be completely devoid of aggressive and exploitive tendancies. Such beliefs are the stuff of TV Sci Fi. Given a non-competitive environment the rise to hi tech may never occur, an intelligent species may be quite happy and content as things are.
In short if aliens show up they will most likely not be evaluating our readiness for membership in peaceful galactic federation. More likely they will be evaluting whether or not we are an exploitable resource. Thankfully we will probably never run into anyone else. Someone else is probably out there but they are also probably so far away we will never meet. We are probably isolated and probably better off that way. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
The use of military metaphor in the mouths of CEOs is commonplace, they are not usually ridiculed and no-one thinks of them as nutcases.
The use of a military metaphor is not the issue, you are off on a tangent no one is discussing. The issue is that RMS takes the metaphor beyond what is rational and it reinforces negative stereotypes of Linux advocates. Comparing the quote you offer to RMS' and you should see a striking difference. That is if you care to be honest.
Perhaps you are unaware of the common practice of military analogy in the business world?
The following statement goes beyond normal business analogies:
"Stallman's take? "In effect, Nokia is lobbying the European Union to give Nokia and many others a new kind of weapon to shoot at software authors and users with--and telling the legislators, 'Don't worry, it's safe to let private armies carry these guns, because we promise that our gunmen won't shoot anyone in that building.'"""
Seriously, if a CEO went to such extremes you would not expect him to be rediculed and blown off as a nutcase? I'm sure some CEOs are nutcases prone to speaking like that but that is why they have PR departments to keep them from reflecting poorly on themselve and the company. Unfortunately FOSS has no such leash and RMS is free to reinforce all the negative stereotypes others are trying to undo.
""I, for one, am thankful he didn't use a Star Wars analogy of treachery and love.""
I'm sure he hasn't seen Star Wars. A ticket would only give money to the capitalist fascists who want to kill us. I'm sure he's holding out until Star Wars is released to the public domain. Err, I mean until ownership of Star Wars is transfered to the FSF and the movies are rereleased under the GEL, Gnu Entertainment License.;-)"
Modded as funny and overrated. "Not funny" would be understandable, I'd starve as a commedian, overrated again seems odd. Perhaps a study of "underrated" and "overrated" mods needs to be made to see how often they are used abusively to avoid metamoderation and how often they seem legit. Yeah, subjective, but it could be interesting none the less.
""Stallman's take? "In effect, Nokia is lobbying the European Union to give Nokia and many others a new kind of weapon to shoot at software authors and users with--and telling the legislators, 'Don't worry, it's safe to let private armies carry these guns, because we promise that our gunmen won't shoot anyone in that building.'"""
"It's no surprise RMS is ignored outside of portions of the FOSS community. With crackpot analogies like that he will never be taken seriously by outsiders. He gets quoted by the mainstream media for his humor value. All we have here is the reinforcement of negative stereotypes of Linux advocates. Richard, please let other people do the PR. Stick to writing the next version of the GPL and adding another meg of code to emacs. Please.;-)"
At first I thought it was a troll, because I've seen trolls copy legitimate posts and repost them. But you reposted your own friggin' thing?
First an aside, the real point comes later, please hang in there. I can understand how the orginal above would be considered a troll by some. I accept that. I expected "-1 troll" mods by some but I don't think that should deter one from offering a controversial opinion and I don't have the instincts of a politician who can couch every comment in a politically correct non-offense manner.
Now the real point. Does anyone think that "overrated" and "underrated" invite abusive moderation? They are so bland they effectively allow zealots to advocate or silence positions without fear of metamoderation. This thwarts the entire moderation process. I think they should be done away with, when you moderate take a position or pass.
This was just a thought as I noticed the above getting insightful and overrated mods. It seemed weird to get overrated rather than troll, which I was not shooting for but at least would make sense. Now when someone mods this post as overrated how can we award that mod a point for humor.;-)
Stallman's take? "In effect, Nokia is lobbying the European Union to give Nokia and many others a new kind of weapon to shoot at software authors and users with--and telling the legislators, 'Don't worry, it's safe to let private armies carry these guns, because we promise that our gunmen won't shoot anyone in that building.'""
It's no surprise RMS is ignored outside of portions of the FOSS community. With crackpot analogies like that he will never be taken seriously by outsiders. He gets quoted by the mainstream media for his humor value. All we have here is the reinforcement of negative stereotypes of Linux advocates.
Richard, please let other people do the PR. Stick to writing the next version of the GPL and adding another meg of code to emacs. Please.;-)
No wonder RMS is ignored outside of portions of the FOSS community. With crackpot analogies like that he will never be taken seriously by outsiders. He gets quoted by the mainstream media for his humor value. All we have here is the reinforcement of negative stereotypes of Linux advocates.
Richard, please let other people do the PR. Stick to writing the next version of the GPL and adding another meg of code to emacs. Please.;-)
While on the topic of an organization going back on its promises. Is there anything in the GPL, or in the FSF contract where an author signs over rights to his/her work, that prevents the FSF from someday licensing that author's work as a commercial fork? If the FSF is hard up for funding one day this might be a convenient source of income. Just curious, but not so much to read through all the legalese. I'm sure someone out there already has.
I, for one, am thankful he didn't use a Star Wars analogy of treachery and love.
I'm sure he hasn't seen Star Wars. A ticket would only give money to the capitalist fascists who want to kill us. I'm sure he's holding out until Star Wars is released to the public domain. Err, I mean until ownership of Star Wars is transfered to the FSF and the movies are rereleased under the GEL, Gnu Entertainment License.;-)
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The real reason I think that consoles will never compltely destroy the PC market is the input. Real-time strategy games are an example of this.
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It's also up to who is delivering the best content, a good PC game can hurt console sales. For example:
"Issuing a profit warning in March, Larry Probst, chief executive of the biggest games publisher, Electronic Arts, said everybody in the industry had been surprised by WoW's success and how much time people were spending online - to the extent they were not buying as many console games."
http://firstnews.com.ua/en/techno/techno.html?id=
I take it you didn't try to play doom 3 when it came out! I had just bought a $250 ati AIW 9600 XT.
Actually I bought my 9600 XT for about $150 soon after it was released, OEM at local computer swapmeet - we were refering to DIY'ers, and I play Doom 3 at 1024x768 or 1280x1024. Seems find to me.
Sure the graphics are better on a pc, but try to take a corner without buying some special joystick or steering wheel addon.. then try to get it to work in windows! ugh!
The joystick or steering wheel is not an add-on for consoles? Also I've added a USB joystick, and all sorts of other USB devices, to my PC and they work just as well as on my Mac. I was actually surprised when I plugged my first digital camera into Win2K and it autodected and mounted the camera as a removable drive with JPG files on it, just like on my Mac. Haven't tried a steering wheel, a friend is more into driving games and he has a USB device and I've never heard any complaints. We tend to swap info on stuff like that, good or bad, so I expect that I would have heard something.
I'm not trolling here, but what could you blame on RedHat?
Not getting a problem that is beyond the abilities of your in-house staff resolved in X number of hours. That's what RH is paid to do.
Is there something that blaming RH could get a PHB out of trouble or something?
Well, yes, he/she had a contingency plan to avoid the above.
Other things being equal, the DIY-heavy PC gaming industry can't hope to compete in that kind of market. Which is to say that once the 18-34 demographic starts buying $400 PS3s instead of $400 video cards, developers may have no choice but to follow suit.
A $400 video card is a red herring. They are only for early adopters who want to win pissing contests. The latest games are written to run well on far more modest cards. A DIY'er could buy a $150 video card when building the system and then upgrade to a different $150 card 18-24 months later and not miss out on any games. Been there, done that. In comparison my console is stuck in time for 5 years.
Also some games just seem to work much better on PCs, RTS for example. Even with games that do work well on consoles, FPS for example, my personal feeling is that FPSs designed to work on both PCs and consoles seemed "dumbed down" compared to FPSs that were designed to work only on PCs.
I'm sure others will mention the more obvious reasons why PC gaming will not die so I'll only mention an offbeat on. It is a much easier market to enter. A startup can develop a game and market it themselves. No need to get blessings from some arbitrary authority.
PC gaming will only go away when PCs themselves go away.
Newest intel CPU main feature: DRM
In the CPU or on the motherboard, ie in the chipset? I think its the latter and prior slashdot posting may have confused that distinction.
I agree, and I wish things were that simple. If Microsoft ever dominates the OS market completely and kills Linux, BSD and other OSes, we won't be able to run any FOSS app on windows. Heh, it might actually happen sooner with the upcoming DRM.
Untrue. DRM will not prevent user from building and running their own code. As for a user accessing DRM'd material FOSS developers could implement the necessary code, support the hardware embedded on the motherboard just like Windows. Intel is probably not going to make the interface to their chipset unavailable.
This may be an indication that they've found a way other than MS Office to make money. Cos it's going to be a big problem for them financially if they haven't. MS Office being one of their most profitable products.
No, it's not a problem. MS used to publish Word/Excel formats and that was when they had viable competition.
Personally I doubt vendor lock had much to do with their undocumented formats. I'd wager that once upon a time the format were designed and code was written to implement that design. As the years and features accumulated the code and format became more of a kludge of a kludge and the documentation was no longer maintained. The infamous "the code is the documentation". Now with the switch to XML they may be starting all over and have an accurate design once again and actually have accurate documentation that could be published.
FOSS' mission is not to help Linux, it is to help users. To help users get something useful done and to be able to deal with problems themselves if they have no recourse. FOSS is bigger, and older, than Linux.
But in order to port to windows you need to own a windows box and a suitable compiler, which costs money you as a developer may be unwilling to spend..
.NET 2003 Professional!
Untrue, MS makes the compiler freely available:
"Q. What is the Visual C++ Toolkit 2003?
A. The Visual C++ Toolkit is a free edition of Microsoft's professional Visual C++ optimizing compiler and standard libraries--the same optimizing compiler and standard libraries that ship in Visual Studio
Q. Are there any restrictions on how I use the Visual C++ Toolkit?
A. In general, no. You may use the Toolkit to build C++ -based applications, even commercial applications, and you may redistribute those applications in accordance with the terms of the End User License Agreement (EULA). "
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
He doesn't accept patches for glibc to support the BSD buffer-overflow-protected string functions(e.g. strlcpy() and friends) because programers are supposed to be smart enough not to write buffer overflows (his arguement). As a result of his policy, many open source apps have been forced to roll their own functions or else use the error prone posix ones.
That is not true. The BSD source code could be dropped directly into anyone's app. There is no need to roll your own, there is not licensing conflict.
Your characterization of his analogy as "hysterical" blows what little credibility you may have left.
You have read his comment that started this thread? Here:
"Stallman's take? "In effect, Nokia is lobbying the European Union to give Nokia and many others a new kind of weapon to shoot at software authors and users with--and telling the legislators, 'Don't worry, it's safe to let private armies carry these guns, because we promise that our gunmen won't shoot anyone in that building.'""
You think that furthers FOSS and does not perpetuate a negative image?
It's amazing how he seems to raise the hackles of corporate shills everywhere. We need more people like him. If that makes me a fan then so be it.
I'm a corporate shill? Good lord how ignorant you are. Hint: there are many FOSS supporters and advocates who cringe when RMS speaks in public. And no you do not seem a fan, you seem a fanboi. There is a distinction.
So hows that list of corporate speaking engagements coming along? Yeah, right.
Farewell.
"I'm under the impression that it is primarily from Linux user groups, academia, and other parts of the FOSS community."
Well then you are under the wrong impression.
Sorry but googling does not support your impression. Are you his personal secretary, care to share his calendar or whatever you use to form your impression?
I think you blew any credibility you may have had with your pointless bashing of RMS.
Sorry, but you are digging yourself in a deeper hole. The criticism of his hysterical analogy was spot on. He does reinforce negative stereotypes. That's reality, get past the fanboi'ism.
Of course I took the utopian view. Guess that's a direct reflection of my self image huh?
I don't think self image has much to do with it. I feel no need to pick fights in bars but when in a rowdy bar I expect someone else may do so. I don't think its optimism either, I don't believe that I am pessimistic. It may have more to do with having spent a good deal of time with nature. Nature is beautiful, I enjoy it, but the mountain or ocean will kill a person if they don't show some awareness, or if they have really really bad luck.
"A practical political calculation made by Republican and Democratic presidents over and over again. It's one of those "third rail" issues. Politicians have to pick their battles carefully or they will never have the opportunity to fight the good important battles."
...so 57% of the US federal prison population are there for drug offences and the US has the second highest amount of prisoners proportionally (next to Rwanda) and the highest amount of prisons anywhere.
You are mixing two different problems. The prison population size is bloated due to mandatory minimum sentences. We could simply levy fines on users, reserve prison for importation, sale, etc. Support for such legislation would not be a "third rail" like legalization.
I was under the impression there was a tremendous amount of invitation for Mr Stallman to speak at all kinds of functions.
I'm under the impression that it is primarily from Linux user groups, academia, and other parts of the FOSS community. Not from business groups curious about Linux, thankfully there are others available for that.
BTW you forgot to call him smelly and a communist. Please do better next time OK?
Thank you for blowing any credibility you may have had. End of conversation.
He [Eisenhower] started the Viet Nam War though strengthening said complex.
"through" ?
Eisenhower "started" the Viet Nam war by choosing the French over the Vietnamese people. We fought to liberate France and we fought to liberate Vietnam, then we let the French reoccupy Vietnam to maintain our good relations with France. What a mistake.
Nixon when his presidental committee released a report saying hemp, marijuana, should be legalized he said he didn't care what the recommendation was, there was no way he would allow it to be legalized.
A practical political calculation made by Republican and Democratic presidents over and over again. It's one of those "third rail" issues. Politicians have to pick their battles carefully or they will never have the opportunity to fight the good important battles.
As a race, we are simply bastards from hell. We grow like weeds, are greedy, short sighted, end up killing significant percentages of our own lot every 10 years or so, arrogant as hell, shit where we eat.... Anyone advanced enough to actually be in a position to address us, knows better!
You are completely mistaken. Compared to other species on our planet our reproduction is very slow. Also in comparison our thinking is long term. And other species are often very greedy and destroy habitat, nature keeps things in check by limiting the population size not by removng the greed.
Regarding our violence well we are the decendants of the survivors of ruthless competition for limited resources. You can not expect to completely undo millions of years of natural selection with a handful of years of pacifist philosophy. I'm not implying that pacifist philosophy is new, just that it has not been very successful historically and has to be periodically rediscovered. Pacifists need isolation or friendly non-pacifists to protect them from the hostile non-pacifists.
Now it is naively optimistic to think that any other civilization that evolves in a competitive environment and achieves a high level of technology would be completely devoid of aggressive and exploitive tendancies. Such beliefs are the stuff of TV Sci Fi. Given a non-competitive environment the rise to hi tech may never occur, an intelligent species may be quite happy and content as things are.
In short if aliens show up they will most likely not be evaluating our readiness for membership in peaceful galactic federation. More likely they will be evaluting whether or not we are an exploitable resource. Thankfully we will probably never run into anyone else. Someone else is probably out there but they are also probably so far away we will never meet. We are probably isolated and probably better off that way. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
The use of military metaphor in the mouths of CEOs is commonplace, they are not usually ridiculed and no-one thinks of them as nutcases.
The use of a military metaphor is not the issue, you are off on a tangent no one is discussing. The issue is that RMS takes the metaphor beyond what is rational and it reinforces negative stereotypes of Linux advocates. Comparing the quote you offer to RMS' and you should see a striking difference. That is if you care to be honest.
only advocated correctly modding it (-1, Redundant ...
I wasn't referring to that at all, that would be fine with me. The over/under-rated comments were inspired by the original post.
Perhaps you are unaware of the common practice of military analogy in the business world?
The following statement goes beyond normal business analogies:
"Stallman's take? "In effect, Nokia is lobbying the European Union to give Nokia and many others a new kind of weapon to shoot at software authors and users with--and telling the legislators, 'Don't worry, it's safe to let private armies carry these guns, because we promise that our gunmen won't shoot anyone in that building.'"""
Seriously, if a CEO went to such extremes you would not expect him to be rediculed and blown off as a nutcase? I'm sure some CEOs are nutcases prone to speaking like that but that is why they have PR departments to keep them from reflecting poorly on themselve and the company. Unfortunately FOSS has no such leash and RMS is free to reinforce all the negative stereotypes others are trying to undo.
""I, for one, am thankful he didn't use a Star Wars analogy of treachery and love.""
;-)"
I'm sure he hasn't seen Star Wars. A ticket would only give money to the capitalist fascists who want to kill us. I'm sure he's holding out until Star Wars is released to the public domain. Err, I mean until ownership of Star Wars is transfered to the FSF and the movies are rereleased under the GEL, Gnu Entertainment License.
Modded as funny and overrated. "Not funny" would be understandable, I'd starve as a commedian, overrated again seems odd. Perhaps a study of "underrated" and "overrated" mods needs to be made to see how often they are used abusively to avoid metamoderation and how often they seem legit. Yeah, subjective, but it could be interesting none the less.
""Stallman's take? "In effect, Nokia is lobbying the European Union to give Nokia and many others a new kind of weapon to shoot at software authors and users with--and telling the legislators, 'Don't worry, it's safe to let private armies carry these guns, because we promise that our gunmen won't shoot anyone in that building.'"""
;-)"
;-)
"It's no surprise RMS is ignored outside of portions of the FOSS community. With crackpot analogies like that he will never be taken seriously by outsiders. He gets quoted by the mainstream media for his humor value. All we have here is the reinforcement of negative stereotypes of Linux advocates. Richard, please let other people do the PR. Stick to writing the next version of the GPL and adding another meg of code to emacs. Please.
At first I thought it was a troll, because I've seen trolls copy legitimate posts and repost them. But you reposted your own friggin' thing?
First an aside, the real point comes later, please hang in there. I can understand how the orginal above would be considered a troll by some. I accept that. I expected "-1 troll" mods by some but I don't think that should deter one from offering a controversial opinion and I don't have the instincts of a politician who can couch every comment in a politically correct non-offense manner.
Now the real point. Does anyone think that "overrated" and "underrated" invite abusive moderation? They are so bland they effectively allow zealots to advocate or silence positions without fear of metamoderation. This thwarts the entire moderation process. I think they should be done away with, when you moderate take a position or pass.
This was just a thought as I noticed the above getting insightful and overrated mods. It seemed weird to get overrated rather than troll, which I was not shooting for but at least would make sense. Now when someone mods this post as overrated how can we award that mod a point for humor.
Stallman's take? "In effect, Nokia is lobbying the European Union to give Nokia and many others a new kind of weapon to shoot at software authors and users with--and telling the legislators, 'Don't worry, it's safe to let private armies carry these guns, because we promise that our gunmen won't shoot anyone in that building.'""
;-)
It's no surprise RMS is ignored outside of portions of the FOSS community. With crackpot analogies like that he will never be taken seriously by outsiders. He gets quoted by the mainstream media for his humor value. All we have here is the reinforcement of negative stereotypes of Linux advocates. Richard, please let other people do the PR. Stick to writing the next version of the GPL and adding another meg of code to emacs. Please.
No wonder RMS is ignored outside of portions of the FOSS community. With crackpot analogies like that he will never be taken seriously by outsiders. He gets quoted by the mainstream media for his humor value. All we have here is the reinforcement of negative stereotypes of Linux advocates.
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Richard, please let other people do the PR. Stick to writing the next version of the GPL and adding another meg of code to emacs. Please.
While on the topic of an organization going back on its promises. Is there anything in the GPL, or in the FSF contract where an author signs over rights to his/her work, that prevents the FSF from someday licensing that author's work as a commercial fork? If the FSF is hard up for funding one day this might be a convenient source of income. Just curious, but not so much to read through all the legalese. I'm sure someone out there already has.
I, for one, am thankful he didn't use a Star Wars analogy of treachery and love.
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I'm sure he hasn't seen Star Wars. A ticket would only give money to the capitalist fascists who want to kill us. I'm sure he's holding out until Star Wars is released to the public domain. Err, I mean until ownership of Star Wars is transfered to the FSF and the movies are rereleased under the GEL, Gnu Entertainment License.