There's nothing wrong with that. But there's nothing "tragic" about people choosing a more pragmatic path for themselves.
Pragmatic, or foolish? All this does is push Apple to pursue the locked down route more and more heavily. I suspect once they reach a certain market percentage they just might apply the TrustZone stuff and start locking stuff down hard. Then where will people be?
Linksys routers don't fight you. Get back to me when Apple allows you to install software not from the App Store on your device without forcing you to Jailbreak.
Perhaps you should check out the all of the people who buy vanilla routers and "jailbreak" them with aftermarket linux distributions (i.e. openwrt, ddwrt, etc...).
Even those don't require a jailbreak, since if you feed them a firmware they don't go and perform signature checks on the image or kernel or whatnot before deciding whether or not to program or boot.
Why? Do you have an argument based on evidence, or are you just declaring this? The evidence shows that Moore's law is still in effect. It's not likely we'll have a sudden transistor shortage.
This has nothing to do with Moore's law and everything to do with economies of scale. If it's more profitable to crank out lots of low end chips for mobile devices, they'll do so. Anyone who wants the high end chips will pay the premiums for them, or figure out how to make the low end ones work.
Oh right, like the ever-declining mobile options we have today? Oh, that's right, we have more choices, and more power than ever before.
And how many of them are anywhere near as open as your desktop PC?
Apple? No. Android? Kinda, unless you bought Motorola. And even if you didn't, you have to root it. Windows Phone 7? No.
There's a handful of devices that are open, but they don't run the major three platforms you find in the US.
Again, where is your evidence of this? Back in the real world, both Apple and Microsoft have been offering more options in terms of OS and software than they ever have before.
And in the mobile world, every offering they're coming out with is locked down. No doubt they desire to push this back upwards in the stack, and I suspect that they will be trying very hard in the next 10 years to do so. And if you don't believe me, I suggest taking a close look at processors from both ARM and Intel that are coming in the next few years. They're -very- geared to delivering performance in mobile, low power situations.
Why? Is it not possible to have locked-down devices for the people who don't know what they are doing, and more powerful, open machines for those who do?
Because, the majority will drag the minority with them. You can have your open machine, but it'll cost you a thousand or so more than it does today. And on the mobile end, you won't have any open options at all.
It doesn't have to be all-or-nothing, but Apple and MS certainly want it to be that way.
Irrelevant. They can still provide a good user experience without locking down the device to an almost punitive level.
Of course, the exact same thing could be said for your regular computer. You don't need all that functionality, only a tiny niche of geeks do. Let us lock that down for you...
No one but Apple can have iOS. No one but RIM can have Blackberry. And frankly, Android is so Google dependent that it is considered a forward-looking risk (they note so on their statements!) that if vendors could get it away from Google, they would.
4. Start rolling out both (Official stock) Android and Meego on devices and allow for the devices to switch back and forth between the two
These are mutually exclusive endeavors. Releasing Android puts you in the position of your users being dependent on Google (and Google dictating terms to you for access to the Android Market,) while fragmenting your userbase across both platforms.
They just need to release a MeeGo device with a simple bootloader unlock so I can have a better user experience with the same hands-off nature that my N900 provides.
high school students by and large, don't need to know how to program a computer
Need no, might want to learn, yes. If all I had access to in high school was an iPad I'm pretty sure I probably wouldn't be a software developer working on the Linux kernel right now.
Apple would have it that you can't actually develop or even participate without paying them.
And by the way, if your a registered developer (like a school district's net admin) you can do ad hoc software distribution to your own devices of any software you write outside of the Apple lockdown. So lighten up.
So if you participate in Apple's lockdown, you can "bypass" Apple's lockdown. But you still have to pay Apple. And the units are still locked down. I'm not going to lighten up about a company pushing locked down, subtly user-spiteful systems as the future of computing.
I suppose it's a good thing to see a locked down system like the iPad slowly displace relatively unrestricted computers in college. Convince everyone as they go through school that restrictive, vendor controlled platforms are the way things should be, and you'll make them all the more amenable to heavy DRM.
sell his image until it becomes a mere parody of someone famous
That was the case well before he was dead, and he did it himself. The rest of this is latent greed, just like all the inevitable "Michael Jackson Xth Anniversary Greatest Hits" album to be released every 5 years from here on out.
And the one I replied to asked the obvious question:
What are you talking about? What kind of dystopian future world you imagine that will lock down computers?
So I gave them an answer of two industry giants pushing for that right this moment. So yes, it is about software. It is about computing technology and the desire for the media and tech industry giants to shove everyone into small, tightly controlled "walled gardens."
Apparently you missed my point. Apple and MS are pushing a very closed, very restricted environment on devices running their software. You must go through their stores for software. Nowhere did I say they were going to bar you from loading media externally.
The fact that you can load up some mp3s and PDFs externally doesn't negate what they're pushing, which is a locked down experience you have no control over.
First. My decade old underclass technology can rape an iPad in the arse without even flinching. It can? Does it also weigh as much as the iPad, and get battery life on par with the iPad?
Second. IPad sucks so much dick it now uses semen as a power source.
What the fuck kind of retarded argument is this? Go back to/g/, stupid fucking 4chan kiddie.
Computers won't be locked for the simple reason that they'd be unlocked and sold by whoever is the future Chinese.
You don't believe that the Chinese won't dive right in with whatever lockdowns they demand, for the sake of "protecting a peaceful society" or whatever the CCP vomits up.
What are you talking about? What kind of dystopian future world you imagine that will lock down computers?
The one being pushed by Apple and Microsoft in the mobile front. And don't tell me that "they're just phones" because as we've seen with the iPad, it won't stay that way for long.
Ah, I see now. Yes, that will probably happen. Because nobody would ever think of creating an unlocked computer with decades old technology, just to play the movies, and become rich.
Decades old technology, yes. Being forced into a technological underclass because we refuse to accept DRM is, frankly, unacceptable.
Seriously, that future you're imagining is impossible. Many bad things can happen, but technology doesn't go backwards.
Far from impossible, the companies around today actively desire and are working towards it. And technology will continue forwards, it will simply be loaded with patent license agreements that require heavy DRM implementations.
Why don't they just tie this shit into your cell phone instead? They already have something similar in Japan with swipe phones for the JR line.
Because in Japan the companies are far more tightly integrated, and it's much easier for NTT to work with JR East on what they want to do, and decree to handset makers that their next products will include the functionality. In the US, for instance, it's virtually guaranteed we'd have massive infighting and incompatibilities as vendors fought for dominance over all others. Verizon would work in some places, AT&T in others, and unless you bought your phone from them you couldn't use it at all.
Basically, there's a whole bunch of bullshit in the States that prevent solutions like Japan has from working.
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I know they aren't like me. That doesn't justify Apple's (and Microsoft's, and Motorola's...) lock down. It serves only them and no one else.
That's fine. Maybe I'll accomplish something instead.
Pragmatic, or foolish? All this does is push Apple to pursue the locked down route more and more heavily. I suspect once they reach a certain market percentage they just might apply the TrustZone stuff and start locking stuff down hard. Then where will people be?
Linksys routers don't fight you. Get back to me when Apple allows you to install software not from the App Store on your device without forcing you to Jailbreak.
Even those don't require a jailbreak, since if you feed them a firmware they don't go and perform signature checks on the image or kernel or whatnot before deciding whether or not to program or boot.
Indeed, it's easy to ignore the minority, especially if they have a point.
Indeed, back in 2003 before they released their later models and started on their lockdown kick.
No, why on earth would I?
The iOS device is not tuned like the PS3 or Wii, Apple is directly targeting iOS devices for general purpose mobile computing and home computing.
Indeed, but this does not justify heavy lock down.
You insult everyone who appreciates not having lock down, and everyone who has argued against DRM with that bullshit pro-MPAA/pro-RIAA style argument.
N900. Not locked down from the start.
Lockdown on the iPods was added eventually, but the first one I bought I loaded iPodLinux on. No battle for control against Apple.
iPaq. Again, no lockdown. No battle against the vendor for control.
Seriously, how did everyone become convinced that lock down was the default state for all things? Surely we have not been fooled so badly?
I'm more concerned about people encouraging and supporting Apple's attitude of lock down and customer control.
Tragic, of course, that people would buy something so crippled and locked down they must "jailbreak" it to make it more useful.
Certainly this is effort better spent improving solutions that are more open from the get-go?
Then you might want to look at supporting MeeGo as it gets off the ground.
Yes it is. We've moved away from that and now with mobile devices we're moving back towards it.
This has nothing to do with Moore's law and everything to do with economies of scale. If it's more profitable to crank out lots of low end chips for mobile devices, they'll do so. Anyone who wants the high end chips will pay the premiums for them, or figure out how to make the low end ones work.
And how many of them are anywhere near as open as your desktop PC?
Apple? No.
Android? Kinda, unless you bought Motorola. And even if you didn't, you have to root it.
Windows Phone 7? No.
There's a handful of devices that are open, but they don't run the major three platforms you find in the US.
And in the mobile world, every offering they're coming out with is locked down. No doubt they desire to push this back upwards in the stack, and I suspect that they will be trying very hard in the next 10 years to do so. And if you don't believe me, I suggest taking a close look at processors from both ARM and Intel that are coming in the next few years. They're -very- geared to delivering performance in mobile, low power situations.
Because, the majority will drag the minority with them. You can have your open machine, but it'll cost you a thousand or so more than it does today. And on the mobile end, you won't have any open options at all.
It doesn't have to be all-or-nothing, but Apple and MS certainly want it to be that way.
Well, don't go thinking you're somehow exempt from this. You get the ball and chain too...
Irrelevant. They can still provide a good user experience without locking down the device to an almost punitive level.
Of course, the exact same thing could be said for your regular computer. You don't need all that functionality, only a tiny niche of geeks do. Let us lock that down for you...
No one but Apple can have iOS. No one but RIM can have Blackberry. And frankly, Android is so Google dependent that it is considered a forward-looking risk (they note so on their statements!) that if vendors could get it away from Google, they would.
These are mutually exclusive endeavors. Releasing Android puts you in the position of your users being dependent on Google (and Google dictating terms to you for access to the Android Market,) while fragmenting your userbase across both platforms.
They just need to release a MeeGo device with a simple bootloader unlock so I can have a better user experience with the same hands-off nature that my N900 provides.
Need no, might want to learn, yes. If all I had access to in high school was an iPad I'm pretty sure I probably wouldn't be a software developer working on the Linux kernel right now.
Apple would have it that you can't actually develop or even participate without paying them.
So if you participate in Apple's lockdown, you can "bypass" Apple's lockdown. But you still have to pay Apple. And the units are still locked down. I'm not going to lighten up about a company pushing locked down, subtly user-spiteful systems as the future of computing.
I suppose it's a good thing to see a locked down system like the iPad slowly displace relatively unrestricted computers in college. Convince everyone as they go through school that restrictive, vendor controlled platforms are the way things should be, and you'll make them all the more amenable to heavy DRM.
That was the case well before he was dead, and he did it himself. The rest of this is latent greed, just like all the inevitable "Michael Jackson Xth Anniversary Greatest Hits" album to be released every 5 years from here on out.
And the one I replied to asked the obvious question:
So I gave them an answer of two industry giants pushing for that right this moment. So yes, it is about software. It is about computing technology and the desire for the media and tech industry giants to shove everyone into small, tightly controlled "walled gardens."
Jesus fuck can you people not even read?
Apparently you missed my point. Apple and MS are pushing a very closed, very restricted environment on devices running their software. You must go through their stores for software. Nowhere did I say they were going to bar you from loading media externally.
The fact that you can load up some mp3s and PDFs externally doesn't negate what they're pushing, which is a locked down experience you have no control over.
Goddamn you, HTML!
The one being pushed by Apple and Microsoft in the mobile front. And don't tell me that "they're just phones" because as we've seen with the iPad, it won't stay that way for long.
Decades old technology, yes. Being forced into a technological underclass because we refuse to accept DRM is, frankly, unacceptable.
Far from impossible, the companies around today actively desire and are working towards it. And technology will continue forwards, it will simply be loaded with patent license agreements that require heavy DRM implementations.
Because in Japan the companies are far more tightly integrated, and it's much easier for NTT to work with JR East on what they want to do, and decree to handset makers that their next products will include the functionality. In the US, for instance, it's virtually guaranteed we'd have massive infighting and incompatibilities as vendors fought for dominance over all others. Verizon would work in some places, AT&T in others, and unless you bought your phone from them you couldn't use it at all.
Basically, there's a whole bunch of bullshit in the States that prevent solutions like Japan has from working.