With GNOME and Firefox, it was said early on that bad UI changes were just experimental, and could be ignored. If they were bad, they'd be reverted. Well, they did turn out to be bad. They were very bad, in fact.
Sounds like someone is presenting a subjective opinion as fact.
Any critics were ridiculed and silenced.
Nonsense, the critics got louder and more irritating while failing to seriously substantiate their arguments.
Linus' leadership role is on its way out, I fear. Linux is done, too. It's suffering from the same disease that has affected GNOME, Firefox and Debian: technological correctness taking a backseat to political correctness.
I see, you're not here to present anything rational, you're here to troll.
Google could actually fight back, while the handset vendors are far more likely to buckle if their business is threatened with a block. They also resist tipping their hand to reveal what patents they want licensed, but Google would actually demand to see it - and possibly file a patent counter-suit.
How many people have threatened to kill their boss in a moment of stress? It's not a credible threat.
If it was done in a similar manner to much of the harassment being discussed, you'd be leaving threatening notes in their cube/office or on their voice mail.
You'd be out pretty quick, or arrested.
If my kid threatens your kid with the power of the One Ring, do you take that seriously (that was just last month, remember)?
Of course not, because the One Ring isn't real and he's a kid. Mentally stunted manchildren who think it's funny to send death threats don't get that exception because it's completely different.
Most threats ever made are not credible, they're merely a stress blow-off. Credible threats rarely take the form of anonymous, over-the-top trolling.
Graphic, targeted descriptions of rape and threats of violence and/or death aren't in the same league ash what you described. Stop apologizing or attempting to minimize the acts of sociopaths.
If a reasonable person would find a threat credible, that justifies further investigation, but the speech is still entirely protected.
I don't think that point has been in contest here - my point is that it's stupid to say "you shouldn't take it seriously" when it's impossible to discern between idle threats and credible ones when assholes get creepy detailed.
But, of course, its your first amendment right to make people's lives a living hell and terrorize them with threats. It's your right to be a miserable piece of shit who sees fit to send people messages describing them in detail, and the horrible things they'd like to do. And we shouldn't ever, ever do anything about it.
Unless there's an overt act to turn the words into criminal conspiracy, the speech should be protected.
Indeed, people should just turn a blind eye to vile harassment all day long. No one needs to worry until it's obviously too late.
And maybe you should be less afraid of the world.
Indeed, that guy threatening to rape and murder your kid because he hates you for some reason? Just ignore him. Don't be so afraid of targeted threats of death or rape. Because it's your fault that you're terrorized, not their fault for being sociopathic.
That's the part the speech-banners and fascists keep forgetting.
Because, of course, it's your right to harass and threaten people! Just don't take it seriously and you'll see that my explicit description of violent acts towards you and your family are just jokes, really!
It would be difficult to release a violent work of fiction otherwise (or would you like to ban those too? video games too maybe?).
Surely there's a difference between descriptions of violence within artistic works, and sending graphic descriptions of violence (sometimes accompanied with names and addresses) to specific people?
Free speech is fine as long as you don't say things that aren't acceptable.
Oh, you have the right to say whatever you want without the government arresting you for it. That doesn't mean society can't turn around and point out you're wrong, or being a jackass, or whatever.
I remember that people used to have much thicker skin though about 4 or 5 decades ago.
4 or 5 decades ago puts you into periods where racism and legally enforced discrimination was rampant. Take off the rose tinted glasses and you'll realize the past was rife with shittiness.
Now if you hurt someone's feelings it's the end of the world. I'm pretty sure the world wont end with a bang or a whimper but a whine.
Oh poor you, unable to treat people like shit and get away with it anymore. You're just doomed, aren't you?
The need to "call people out" for saying something you don't agree with or that offends you is a key contributor to social problems you have enumerated.
So we should just let people spout bullshit unquestioned?
When people learn to respect the racist and the crackpot as much as they dislike their remarks then and only then will real progress have been made.
By "respect" you mean "let them have their way" and "stop criticizing their statements," right?
this is on Obama's watch and he has been totally negligent.
Because we are TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE!
Its because hes a coward and would rather let the menace rage out of control than take it on.
Indeed, instead of containing them we should just go in guns blazing, because that's always the best way to counter problematic ideologies. It always works out so well. It's also easy for the armchair general to send soldiers to die for whatever cause they deem worthy.
There is even a specific firmware update command in the ATA spec, but many vendors use their own just because.
Not "just because," but because the standard Download Microcode command is PIO and happens completely synchronously. This can cause Windows to BSOD if it happens to hit a page fault during the update.
Vendors typically implement an NCQ, DMA-capable process that is asynchronous so you can update from within the OS without issue.
Many hard drives have a secondary TTL level serial port that you can use to load new firmware on a bricked drive.
That depends on how the vendor utilized the serial port and how they do their boot sequence. If it's anything above baseline chip support, you might not be able to do anything useful with it.
Home customers get to see different ads on their screen besides Google's own Adsense garbage. BFD!
Yeah it's a BFD, Lenovo took money to install an application that deliberately reduced end user security for the sake of inserting ads into their browsing activities! Not only is it completely bereft of ethics and respect for their customers, it's actively dangerous.
They shouldn't just be hit via a class action suit (assuming Lenovo isn't sticking a "binding arbitration" clause to defeat the ability for consumers to seek recourse) but Federal prosecution under one of the many computer security laws that would string up anyone else.
Tablets are still a grey area and you can't point to a single person who had action taken against them... if anything were tried at this point they would fall undertake same ruling.
Due to the way the DMCA is written, jailbreaking is presumed illegal unless the LoC gives an exemption. An exemption was explicitly requested for tablets and was denied via tortured logic. Consoles were covered too. Phones were retained, but cellphone unlocking was covered under the tortured legalese as well, and made illegal (thus the Congressional rush to make it legal.)
anyone jailbreaking is probably downloading torrents already, so why does legality matter again?
Because it shouldn't be a federal crime to use your device as you see fit, regardless of whether they'll actually prosecute. This notion that people using their devices freely is somehow inherently associated with criminality is part of a shitty, insulting mindset.
Metaphorically speaking that is always true of a device you have physical control of.
Yes, metaphorically speaking. Practically speaking, they're making a pretty direct statement that you are not in control, they are.
The state in many cases says choices should not be made by those not capable of making them.
Holy shit, when they do this it's due to mental impairment, not lack of education!
Similarly I am fine with device makers adding enough security so someone skilled enough to deal with the repercussions of removing them can do whatever they like, which is the world we live in today.
Except this isn't similar! The device vendor arbitrarily declares themselves the authority and fight against you to enforce it. And no amount of competency or education will convince them to give you control - they have reserved it for themselves.
Car makers in no way support custom ECUs in the same way phone makers do not support jailbreaking or rooting.
Car vendors don't weld the hood shut or put other things into the engine to prevent you from making that modification.
It's pretty equivalent to jailbreaking that you have the literal keys because you have physical control of the device.
Jailbreaking would be akin to having to saw open the hood or find a way to trick the vendor-controlled hood lock to unlatch and let you in. And Ford/GM would be petitioning the Library of Congress to disallow a DMCA exemption.
A better one would be doing something like altering an ECU in a car and then changing parameters without understanding what you are doing, and blowing an engine...
And yet there are 3rd party kits to modify the ECUs (or outright replace) of a lot of vehicles.
Of course, doing that would void your warranty if they could show the modified ECU caused the failure, which I am entirely OK with. Vendors should put the keys in your hand, but if you turn that lock you take your fate in your own hands.
Obviously, that's the only reason people use PCs and not consoles. On PCs everyone just pirates everything, no one ever pirates anything. That's why there's nothing happening at all on PCs and everything happens on consoles.
But you ARE legally able to Free any device. Jailbreaking was explicitly declared legal to do, and indeed plenty of people do so.
Except on tablets, where it's still illegal. And Apple will be right behind you to close that hole and petition the Library of Congress to make jailbreaking of your handset illegal.
But you ARE legally able to Free any device. Jailbreaking was explicitly declared legal to do, and indeed plenty of people do so.
Devices do not need to be inherently insecure, they should be secure by default. But said security needs to put the keys in the hands of the user, which so few modern devices do. So if you turn off the security or break it, you can't effectively re-secure it on your terms.
just don't see where it's realistic or even a good idea to hold every product to that standard.
Is it realistic to hold every device to a standard that, if they're online, they're secure? Then it should also be reasonable for the user to be able to make decisions about that security, even if that decision is "leave it as-is."
I always laugh when people look at my display. I use a red/orange color to highlight the active window and grey for the inactive ones. there is no trash icon, no iconbox, no drag/drop. a short menu appears when you click into space (no clients under) and then pick which foreground rxvt opens up (all with black bg's).
So basically, you'd be happy with a modern-day amber phosphor display?
I've been using this layout for literally over 25 yrs (starting with twm and using mwm for a short while, when motif was still popular).
Ah, so you're getting old and resistant to change, particularly when it's change that doesn't suit you.
we should NOT have to flip over backwards to remove a stupid should-not-be-there-anyway daemon and its evil libs.
So don't use the systems that do use those EBIL DEBIL'S LIBS. Go fund the development of a platform that conforms to your wishes. Don't bitch when others move on and do different things.
Rather, the anti-systemd crowd is making up stories about the advocates, slinging vitriol and hatred, and engaging in pretty much any sort of abuse they can engage in towards the systemd developers.
I have seen few rational, logical, unemotional criticisms of systemd and lots and logs of reactionary bullshit.
that's precisely why i actually worked hard and risked destroying my business by losing access to all data on a critical business laptop
No offense, but while I've watched many of your projects with interest, if you "risked destroying [your] business because of losing access to data on a single laptop, you just might deserve to go out of business due to sheer stupidity. Both in lack of redundancy and doing whatever it was you were doing on what is effectively a "production" system.
It's the systemd guys that have been acting like children and constantly attack Linux users for pointing-out bugs.And it's been hostile reactionaries that have made death threats and spout technically and factually incorrect things about systemd.
After posting a reproduction script to the mailing list about a problem with systemd ignoring the exit status from a script, I was told by one of the main devs that he hoped my mother got cancer.
The systemd mailing list is public, right? Cause you could totally be making shit up right now...
You also have kids like http://slashdot.org/~Eunuchswe... here that post some nasty replies, and it appears from looking at the moderation on the posts he is replying to that he or his friends have mod points and are using them to attack people that post about systemd problems.
For all the fledgling nerds-to-be in AR, I hope they can find a good, long-term solution to the problem.
Indeed. Programs like EAST, which were originated in AR, are a good approach. They're offering training to help teachers for things like AP Computer Science via the state universities.
And if they succeed in their CS education goals, maybe they'll find a way to get tech companies to set up shop in the state for more than just tech support. Lack of interesting work was one of the reasons I ended up leaving after finishing college, and (shock) I ended up in NorCal.
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Probably because it's profoundly and willfully ignorant, along with being unnecessarily antagonistic.
You should probably try not being an asshole.
Sounds like someone is presenting a subjective opinion as fact.
Nonsense, the critics got louder and more irritating while failing to seriously substantiate their arguments.
I see, you're not here to present anything rational, you're here to troll.
Google could actually fight back, while the handset vendors are far more likely to buckle if their business is threatened with a block. They also resist tipping their hand to reveal what patents they want licensed, but Google would actually demand to see it - and possibly file a patent counter-suit.
If it was done in a similar manner to much of the harassment being discussed, you'd be leaving threatening notes in their cube/office or on their voice mail.
You'd be out pretty quick, or arrested.
Of course not, because the One Ring isn't real and he's a kid. Mentally stunted manchildren who think it's funny to send death threats don't get that exception because it's completely different.
Graphic, targeted descriptions of rape and threats of violence and/or death aren't in the same league ash what you described. Stop apologizing or attempting to minimize the acts of sociopaths.
I don't think that point has been in contest here - my point is that it's stupid to say "you shouldn't take it seriously" when it's impossible to discern between idle threats and credible ones when assholes get creepy detailed.
But, of course, its your first amendment right to make people's lives a living hell and terrorize them with threats. It's your right to be a miserable piece of shit who sees fit to send people messages describing them in detail, and the horrible things they'd like to do. And we shouldn't ever, ever do anything about it.
Indeed, people should just turn a blind eye to vile harassment all day long. No one needs to worry until it's obviously too late.
Indeed, that guy threatening to rape and murder your kid because he hates you for some reason? Just ignore him. Don't be so afraid of targeted threats of death or rape. Because it's your fault that you're terrorized, not their fault for being sociopathic.
Because, of course, it's your right to harass and threaten people! Just don't take it seriously and you'll see that my explicit description of violent acts towards you and your family are just jokes, really!
Surely there's a difference between descriptions of violence within artistic works, and sending graphic descriptions of violence (sometimes accompanied with names and addresses) to specific people?
Oh, you have the right to say whatever you want without the government arresting you for it. That doesn't mean society can't turn around and point out you're wrong, or being a jackass, or whatever.
4 or 5 decades ago puts you into periods where racism and legally enforced discrimination was rampant. Take off the rose tinted glasses and you'll realize the past was rife with shittiness.
Oh poor you, unable to treat people like shit and get away with it anymore. You're just doomed, aren't you?
So we should just let people spout bullshit unquestioned?
By "respect" you mean "let them have their way" and "stop criticizing their statements," right?
Chromium, not Chrome. There's a distinct difference between the two.
Appeasement? Where have they engaged in "appeasement"?
Because we are TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE!
Indeed, instead of containing them we should just go in guns blazing, because that's always the best way to counter problematic ideologies. It always works out so well. It's also easy for the armchair general to send soldiers to die for whatever cause they deem worthy.
Not "just because," but because the standard Download Microcode command is PIO and happens completely synchronously. This can cause Windows to BSOD if it happens to hit a page fault during the update.
Vendors typically implement an NCQ, DMA-capable process that is asynchronous so you can update from within the OS without issue.
That depends on how the vendor utilized the serial port and how they do their boot sequence. If it's anything above baseline chip support, you might not be able to do anything useful with it.
Yeah it's a BFD, Lenovo took money to install an application that deliberately reduced end user security for the sake of inserting ads into their browsing activities! Not only is it completely bereft of ethics and respect for their customers, it's actively dangerous.
They shouldn't just be hit via a class action suit (assuming Lenovo isn't sticking a "binding arbitration" clause to defeat the ability for consumers to seek recourse) but Federal prosecution under one of the many computer security laws that would string up anyone else.
Due to the way the DMCA is written, jailbreaking is presumed illegal unless the LoC gives an exemption. An exemption was explicitly requested for tablets and was denied via tortured logic. Consoles were covered too. Phones were retained, but cellphone unlocking was covered under the tortured legalese as well, and made illegal (thus the Congressional rush to make it legal.)
Because it shouldn't be a federal crime to use your device as you see fit, regardless of whether they'll actually prosecute. This notion that people using their devices freely is somehow inherently associated with criminality is part of a shitty, insulting mindset.
Yes, metaphorically speaking. Practically speaking, they're making a pretty direct statement that you are not in control, they are.
Holy shit, when they do this it's due to mental impairment, not lack of education!
Except this isn't similar! The device vendor arbitrarily declares themselves the authority and fight against you to enforce it. And no amount of competency or education will convince them to give you control - they have reserved it for themselves.
Car vendors don't weld the hood shut or put other things into the engine to prevent you from making that modification.
Jailbreaking would be akin to having to saw open the hood or find a way to trick the vendor-controlled hood lock to unlatch and let you in. And Ford/GM would be petitioning the Library of Congress to disallow a DMCA exemption.
And yet there are 3rd party kits to modify the ECUs (or outright replace) of a lot of vehicles.
Of course, doing that would void your warranty if they could show the modified ECU caused the failure, which I am entirely OK with. Vendors should put the keys in your hand, but if you turn that lock you take your fate in your own hands.
Obviously, that's the only reason people use PCs and not consoles. On PCs everyone just pirates everything, no one ever pirates anything. That's why there's nothing happening at all on PCs and everything happens on consoles.
Except on tablets, where it's still illegal. And Apple will be right behind you to close that hole and petition the Library of Congress to make jailbreaking of your handset illegal.
Devices do not need to be inherently insecure, they should be secure by default. But said security needs to put the keys in the hands of the user, which so few modern devices do. So if you turn off the security or break it, you can't effectively re-secure it on your terms.
Is it realistic to hold every device to a standard that, if they're online, they're secure? Then it should also be reasonable for the user to be able to make decisions about that security, even if that decision is "leave it as-is."
Oh no, there are processes running!
Exactly how is it wasted?
So basically, you'd be happy with a modern-day amber phosphor display?
Ah, so you're getting old and resistant to change, particularly when it's change that doesn't suit you.
So don't use the systems that do use those EBIL DEBIL'S LIBS. Go fund the development of a platform that conforms to your wishes. Don't bitch when others move on and do different things.
No they aren't.
Rather, the anti-systemd crowd is making up stories about the advocates, slinging vitriol and hatred, and engaging in pretty much any sort of abuse they can engage in towards the systemd developers.
I have seen few rational, logical, unemotional criticisms of systemd and lots and logs of reactionary bullshit.
What would this accomplish, other than be a silly attempt at silencing someone you don't like?
Go tell the hardware vendors to do that.
Funny, I haven't had issues with sound in ages. Perhaps you haven't used Linux in the past 10 years?
No offense, but while I've watched many of your projects with interest, if you "risked destroying [your] business because of losing access to data on a single laptop, you just might deserve to go out of business due to sheer stupidity. Both in lack of redundancy and doing whatever it was you were doing on what is effectively a "production" system.
I'll be amazed if the GP does. Not because he chooses to take the high road, but because he's spouting BS.
Indeed. Programs like EAST, which were originated in AR, are a good approach. They're offering training to help teachers for things like AP Computer Science via the state universities.
And if they succeed in their CS education goals, maybe they'll find a way to get tech companies to set up shop in the state for more than just tech support. Lack of interesting work was one of the reasons I ended up leaving after finishing college, and (shock) I ended up in NorCal.