For all those who have nothing better to do than to read/. at work, here is the complete thread on LK which got all this started:
[BK] upgrade will be needed
I work for a mid sized systems company with about 2K employees and we've struggled with testing our systems. There are a few reasons for this:
The system has grown overly complicated over the years with tens of subsystems. There is some notion of ownership of the individual subsystems in both dev and qa but no such thing exists when it comes to interoperability of these subsystems. Dev engineers are free to make changes to any subsystem they want to while QA does not feel that they should test anything outside their subsystem. What ends up happening is that we do rigorous subsystem testing but very little inter-operability testing which leads to a lot of issues in the field since those represent more realistic customer scenarios.
As a consequence, management teams have been pushing the dev engineers to write test plans and automated tests for the functionality their working on since they believe that dev can do a better job at testing. This not only overloads the dev engineer but also decreases the testing quality since I belive that developers cannot be solely held responsible for testing their own code. They are more likely to work under a lot of assumptions and would overlook a lot of bugs. Secondly they would not think of the interactions between various subsystems since they'll be concentrating on their own code.
Finally, it is very important that there are standard QA practices in a company. We've been lacking this since each subsystem started their QA efforts individually and ended up developing tools and methods that did not fit with each other. We do have a common reporting method on number of tests conducted vs planned but the quality of tests various so significantly that those numbers make no sense.
I would like to know how people in other systems companies divide up testing work between Dev and QA. I would also be interested in learning more about the kind of tools people use to develop and track QA.
... there are a lot more suggestions which disuade the poor guy from doing what he wants to do. His question was more on how to do it cheaply and not whether or not to do it.
IMHO you can get all this set up for under $1K and if you can scout Ebay then you might come in a few hundred $$s cheaper.
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For all those who have nothing better to do than to read /. at work, here is the complete thread on LK which got all this started:
[BK] upgrade will be needed
I would like to know how people in other systems companies divide up testing work between Dev and QA. I would also be interested in learning more about the kind of tools people use to develop and track QA.
... there are a lot more suggestions which disuade the poor guy from doing what he wants to do. His question was more on how to do it cheaply and not whether or not to do it. IMHO you can get all this set up for under $1K and if you can scout Ebay then you might come in a few hundred $$s cheaper. My 2c.. which will be moded -1 u'll c...
The truth shall set your teeth free
You vent online and then you dust your hands off in satisfaction and that's the last you do..
If its that easy to just vent off your opinions then wouldn't the same apply to music:
The best thing that ever happened to the Grateful Dead, from an economic standpoint, was giving away our music.
ie people would just listen to music online and then be totally sated so as to not buy anymore..