No, you miss what apple does. They don't dumb it down, they mask it over. It's sort of like a car. You don't have to know anything about how the engine is put together, how the windows roll up and down, how the radio connects to the speakers and how the gears shift. You can just drive it, and you never have to see the guts. But if you want to, just go beneeth the shiny covering and there it is for you to play with.
No, it's recomended you use Apple aproved hardware, however it is not nessesary. Believe me, I have a USB card in my old 5400 that has no Apple drivers, I just use the deneric UDB drivers. I have a mouse that has no Apple aproved stickers, but with a nice little program called USB overdrive, it works fine. I have an HD made by western digital. NO MAC DRIVERs (since when were drivers nessesary for HDs? I don't know) Botted it up, the computer said the drive was unformated, formatted and it runs just fine. ANd this was ll on a 5400, the new ones are even more open.
As for the cards, it's not Apple's responsibility to write those drivers, just like it isn't M$s to write them. So if you want a card for your mac, write to the manufacturer and demand your drivers. Or write some yourself.
Alright, let me set a record straight here, because it seems like with the announcement of the Jaguar pricing, Apple has suddenly become a money grubbing leech. I have been with Apple since system 7 and every time a release has come out that has moved the first decimal place (ie 7 - 7.5, 7.5-8.0, 8.0-8.1) apple has always charged full price for the new system, the only exception being 9.1-9.2 So the full price charge from 10.1 to 10.2 is completely acceptable and consistant with theri business practices. Now let me tell you about getting it cheaper.
1) Are you a teacher or a student or in any way affiliated with a school (do you get a paycheck froma school?) If so, you get Jaguar for the educator price ($79?)
2) Are you an ADC member? Check with your discount benifits, you may be able to get a discount.
3) Can you stand to wait about 2 months? If so, wait till the price drops in the mail order places.
And when you consider that that price includes 2 OSes (they are still shipping OS 9 with it right?) and the developer kit, you get a nice deal for $120
Actualy, in most cases, the labs full of iMacs (and yes, I'm even talking about the gumdrop colored ones) looked a hell of a lot better, and was a hell of a lot quieter than the PC labs
not odd at all, even MS declared the mac version better than the windows version of office. I don't have the link off hand, but I'm sure you could find it
Doesn't fire also allow you to alias screen names, I could swear it did when I was playing with OS X Beta. And obviously this guy never checked www.macosxapps.com
What makes it even worse is the sort of unaproachable elitism that seems to be developing in the Linux world. All these people that finaly got it to do what they wanted, won't tell you a damn thing becasue they want you to suffer like they did. I can't tell you how many times when I was first begining to play with Red Hat (back arround 4 or 5) I would go into a forum asking someone how to do one thing or another or configure this or that option and I always got the same answer, Read the manuals, that's what they're there for. Believe me, if I had understood what the manual was saying to me (or sometimes if there even was a manual) I would have used that info. But I didn't see the answer I was looking for that's why I asked. I have never seen that sort of attitude in the mac community. Ask a mac user for help and they will tell you how they did it, where to get the best information on it, and if need be, walk you through it step by step. Now that's community.
I can't think of a thing in OS X that I couldn't get to do exactly what I want to do. Unless of course you're talking about completely recompiling the entire system from the ground up, but how many people seriously do that anyways?
If your system was designed arround a single button mouse, you wouldn't need two buttons. Believe me, a mac is perfectly functional with just 1 button on the mouse. THe only thing you need 2 buttons for are games. And if you're really at a loss with less that 50 buttons on your mouse PLUG YOUR GOD DAMNED OLD MOUSE INTO THE MAC!!!!!! IF IT'S USB IT WILL WORK, PERIOD.
WHen everyone can get instant access to recordings, artists will have to make money the old fasioned way. Live performances. They way they did when they started. ENTERTAINING people. It will no longer be just being able to make a sounds and melody, you'll have to be entertaining now too.
Want to talk about market demands, ok let's do it. Currently the demand for music in a consumable form is very very very very very high. Now, let's draw some graphs so you can see what I'm talking about. Take out a piece of paper and draw a set of axis. Lable the x axis quantity and lable the y axis price. Now law of supply and demand tells us that consumer demand is downsloaping, so draw a downsloping line in the graph. Supply is upsloping. So you should have a grph that looks like an X. Now, somewhere above where the 2 graphs cross, draw a horizontal line. This represents the $16 price floor that there appears to be for CDs. Now, where that horizontal line crosses the two graphs. Note the quantity (x axis) that are being supplied and the quantity being demanded. Notice how there is less demand at that price? Do you see why the RIAA is loosing money? Now, look at the graph where the price == 0 (right on the X axis) notice all the demand, but notice that obviously the RIAA can't produce at that point. Now, see where supply and demand cross. We call that the equilibrium price. If the RIAA wants to dampen and nullify the effects of piracy (note I did not say eliminate that is IMPOSSIBLE) then all they have to do is let the price fall untill they are making normal profits (economic term meaning making ends meet) with out loosing money. That would be the equilibrium price. The reason they won't do this is because at equilibrium, they don't make economic profit, or "money with which to line one's pockets". That's market demand for you, it works for consumers and businesses, not just consumers.
He wasn';t talking about no OS, he was talking about having everything pre-configured and unchangeable. First, if you bought the new mac, why would you want anything other than OS X as your primary OS. Secondly, though macs do come "pre-configured" it is a basic configuration to allow mom and pop to take it out of the box and use what they want. However with a simple mouse click (or sometimes just a bit of reading the actual preferences) all the power features can be turned on or off to your liking.
Some people are arguing that Napster, Morpheus, LimeWire et al are facilitating this, and are thereby guilty through association (in an "aiding and abetting sort of way). IF that's true, and I AM willing to scede that argument, then the RIAA and the artists need to take action against the manufacturers of CD-RW, DVD-RW, Casette tapes, mini-disc, VHS, Super-H, BetaMax etc etc etc, ad inifinitum. Anything less implies that they don't actually care about protecting their rights.
They did, they've fought all of these and in many cases still are. Hell they even fought the CD sampling machines in Wal-Mart. read here for more fun: http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.h tml
However, I would like to make the case that if they are going to charge a tarrif to offset piracy (as they do on cassette tapes, Audio CD-Rs and VHS tapes) Then they are giving me permission to use the music and files any way I see fit so long as I do not derrive a profit from it. THIS INCLUDES FILE SHARING.
I think he meant that they had to sue him for damages within 5 years or else it''s considered that the artist (person whoever owns the copywrite) has accepted the activity as legal. Hence, fan fics can exist, in so long as the people are not sued by CW holders
Does this mean that the ISP will be recording the IPs of people accesing those files and if those IPs then attempt to illegaly access the IW Network, ban those IPs. Or does that mean that they will be checking to see if theri clients are accessing those files and disconnect their clients?
I'm all for it. I loved hypercard and still occasionaly dabble with my old copy of it. I would love to see it opensourced (though it was fairly open in terms of people being able to develop ad-ons) and given back the mac community beefed up and ready to go.
HyperStudio was (is?) a colorized imitation of hypercard. For the most part, it was much harder to use than hyper card, had a rather cryptic scripting language and wasn't quite as versitile. I prefer Hypercard with teh color toolkit.
1) If you are a network admin, and you are an admin of a wireless network. And you are not up to date enough to at least have heard of warchalking and have some inkling as to what the odd markings outside your office meant, then you really deserve what's comming to you.
2) If these people just walked into the main lobby and said "Your network is insecure" they would be escorted out the door. If they said "I just hacked your network" they would be arrested and thrown in jail. So how do you propose to inform the business without getting a kick in the ass or thrown in jail?
3) What covert? It's friggen plain as day, you just have to be up to date. Which YOU SHOULD BE if you are an admin.
First, Apple keeps trying to bundle shit that I don't want. I want email - that's it. That's the sum total of my use for iTools..Mac is a good value if you want to eat all the shit Jobs is serving for dinner but otherwise you're paying $15 for a plateful of crap and that dinner mint at the end, which is all you really wanted.
Might I then recomend operamail.com or submail.net or even yahoomail? If mail is all you care about, then there's plenty of free stuff arround. If it's the @mac.com part that you want, well, I guess you pay a price then. Just like with websites, if the name means nothing to you, there's plenty of free space out there. If you want a domain though, you pay for it. It sucks, but that's life.
I'm buying a new PowerMac and again Apple has stupid bundling. You *must* buy a DVD playing drive - at least a $100 more than a CD-RW drive would cost. If you buy a second drive that has to play DVDs, too. WTF? I don't need that functionality and stocking and putting in a CD-RW or a CD-ROM drive isn't hard. So why does Apple insist on making me buy crap I don't want to get the stuff I do want? Aren't their prices high enough without forcing this stuff on their customers?
So apple gives you a 16x10x32 + 8x DVD/CD-RW drive, and at worst your paying $42 dollars more than if you bought just the CD RW. Not a bad deal in my book. Seeing as how you know Apple's drives are high quality. But ignore even that fact for a second and consider. What if down the road, you decide you want a DVD drive. So you buy one, stick it in your powermac, and now, you don't have anymore drive bays. They bundle the DVD and the CD-RW because it allows them to get away with 2 drive bays. What else could you want. Who knows, maybe a HD caddy, but the point is, they cover their ass by ensuring you don't have to waste a bay with any other optical media drives. How bout all the poor people who don't even want a burner? Should they be allowed to have a CD ROM only selection? Don't you realize by adding more choices, they raise the price (choices means stocking, stocking means storage, storage means more costs). The bundle makes perfect sense. And when someone hands you a burned DVD with data on it, and all you have is a CD-RW, what will you do then? Complain that apple didn't give you a DVD drive? Think about it.
So I've dedicated myself to giving them as little money as possible.
Good, so on the one hand, bitch about how they don't provide enough options and choices, and then on the other hand, don't give them the money that would allow for choices. Bright move there.
Apple restricts some resellers from selling to new customers even though they are indeed "Apple Certified Resellers".
Where do they do that? Which resellers aren't allowed to sell.
Plus, Linux developers don't have to pay hundreds of dollars for early access to APIs
For the public APIs and the APIs which are opensourse, you don't have to pay for the jaguar ones either. Even some of the private ones, you don't have to pay, the basic ADC membership is free. You do know that right?
For me to discuss Jaguar's APIs I would have to personally know other OS X developers who have the same access as me and privately email them or discuss by phone or face to face. Newsgroups, mailing lists (including Apple's own lists) and any tool of the information age which could allow someone who hasn't signed an NDA with Apple is verboten.
It's the same with any company. If you have acess to their closed source, you can't give that access to the public. It's not underhanded schemes, it's business. If you want to discuss freely, then discuss the opensourced APIs. And no one is forcing you to pay, you choose to do so of your own free will.
I see plenty of good software being developed for OS X. The reason I think you're pissed is because, you're not a student, you're not an educator, you're not a business, you're a hobbyist who doesn't have the money to pay for his access to the closed information, so you're pissed and you want it free. So sad, too bad. It's not good business to opensource your big leverage over the competition. When they can hold you to a NDA, they can reclaim a loss if you decide to leak info. That's why they hold you to and NDA, that's why you pay money. If you don't like it, develop the opensource portions and leave the closed source to the people at Apple and the people willing to pay.
Because by having a future compatible chassis now, they can spend more money on developing chips and getting Moto to shape up. They had the money to go forward, they went forward. Now they just need to develop the finishing touch, and they get a surge of new money from the new tech, all to dump into the finishing touch.
Even IF (big IF) they are the same, notice the giant price drop you just got. So stop whining and start buying. If they have more money to develop with, you'll get a better machine. Doesn't anyone understand long term investing anymore?
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No, you miss what apple does. They don't dumb it down, they mask it over. It's sort of like a car. You don't have to know anything about how the engine is put together, how the windows roll up and down, how the radio connects to the speakers and how the gears shift. You can just drive it, and you never have to see the guts. But if you want to, just go beneeth the shiny covering and there it is for you to play with.
No, it's recomended you use Apple aproved hardware, however it is not nessesary. Believe me, I have a USB card in my old 5400 that has no Apple drivers, I just use the deneric UDB drivers. I have a mouse that has no Apple aproved stickers, but with a nice little program called USB overdrive, it works fine. I have an HD made by western digital. NO MAC DRIVERs (since when were drivers nessesary for HDs? I don't know) Botted it up, the computer said the drive was unformated, formatted and it runs just fine. ANd this was ll on a 5400, the new ones are even more open.
As for the cards, it's not Apple's responsibility to write those drivers, just like it isn't M$s to write them. So if you want a card for your mac, write to the manufacturer and demand your drivers. Or write some yourself.
Alright, let me set a record straight here, because it seems like with the announcement of the Jaguar pricing, Apple has suddenly become a money grubbing leech. I have been with Apple since system 7 and every time a release has come out that has moved the first decimal place (ie 7 - 7.5, 7.5-8.0, 8.0-8.1) apple has always charged full price for the new system, the only exception being 9.1-9.2 So the full price charge from 10.1 to 10.2 is completely acceptable and consistant with theri business practices. Now let me tell you about getting it cheaper.
1) Are you a teacher or a student or in any way affiliated with a school (do you get a paycheck froma school?) If so, you get Jaguar for the educator price ($79?)
2) Are you an ADC member? Check with your discount benifits, you may be able to get a discount.
3) Can you stand to wait about 2 months? If so, wait till the price drops in the mail order places.
And when you consider that that price includes 2 OSes (they are still shipping OS 9 with it right?) and the developer kit, you get a nice deal for $120
Actualy, in most cases, the labs full of iMacs (and yes, I'm even talking about the gumdrop colored ones) looked a hell of a lot better, and was a hell of a lot quieter than the PC labs
not odd at all, even MS declared the mac version better than the windows version of office. I don't have the link off hand, but I'm sure you could find it
Nobody does. Every company that you order from online usualy will charge restocking, this is no suprise
Doesn't fire also allow you to alias screen names, I could swear it did when I was playing with OS X Beta. And obviously this guy never checked www.macosxapps.com
What are your other issues, maybe we can help you solve those too (just don't ask for money
What makes it even worse is the sort of unaproachable elitism that seems to be developing in the Linux world. All these people that finaly got it to do what they wanted, won't tell you a damn thing becasue they want you to suffer like they did. I can't tell you how many times when I was first begining to play with Red Hat (back arround 4 or 5) I would go into a forum asking someone how to do one thing or another or configure this or that option and I always got the same answer, Read the manuals, that's what they're there for. Believe me, if I had understood what the manual was saying to me (or sometimes if there even was a manual) I would have used that info. But I didn't see the answer I was looking for that's why I asked. I have never seen that sort of attitude in the mac community. Ask a mac user for help and they will tell you how they did it, where to get the best information on it, and if need be, walk you through it step by step. Now that's community.
I can't think of a thing in OS X that I couldn't get to do exactly what I want to do. Unless of course you're talking about completely recompiling the entire system from the ground up, but how many people seriously do that anyways?
If your system was designed arround a single button mouse, you wouldn't need two buttons. Believe me, a mac is perfectly functional with just 1 button on the mouse. THe only thing you need 2 buttons for are games. And if you're really at a loss with less that 50 buttons on your mouse PLUG YOUR GOD DAMNED OLD MOUSE INTO THE MAC!!!!!! IF IT'S USB IT WILL WORK, PERIOD.
If you can get em free for linux, 99% of the time you can get em free for OSX. And if worst comes to worst, you could always install Linux nex to OS X
WHen everyone can get instant access to recordings, artists will have to make money the old fasioned way. Live performances. They way they did when they started. ENTERTAINING people. It will no longer be just being able to make a sounds and melody, you'll have to be entertaining now too.
Want to talk about market demands, ok let's do it. Currently the demand for music in a consumable form is very very very very very high. Now, let's draw some graphs so you can see what I'm talking about. Take out a piece of paper and draw a set of axis. Lable the x axis quantity and lable the y axis price. Now law of supply and demand tells us that consumer demand is downsloaping, so draw a downsloping line in the graph. Supply is upsloping. So you should have a grph that looks like an X. Now, somewhere above where the 2 graphs cross, draw a horizontal line. This represents the $16 price floor that there appears to be for CDs. Now, where that horizontal line crosses the two graphs. Note the quantity (x axis) that are being supplied and the quantity being demanded. Notice how there is less demand at that price? Do you see why the RIAA is loosing money? Now, look at the graph where the price == 0 (right on the X axis) notice all the demand, but notice that obviously the RIAA can't produce at that point. Now, see where supply and demand cross. We call that the equilibrium price. If the RIAA wants to dampen and nullify the effects of piracy (note I did not say eliminate that is IMPOSSIBLE) then all they have to do is let the price fall untill they are making normal profits (economic term meaning making ends meet) with out loosing money. That would be the equilibrium price. The reason they won't do this is because at equilibrium, they don't make economic profit, or "money with which to line one's pockets". That's market demand for you, it works for consumers and businesses, not just consumers.
He wasn';t talking about no OS, he was talking about having everything pre-configured and unchangeable. First, if you bought the new mac, why would you want anything other than OS X as your primary OS. Secondly, though macs do come "pre-configured" it is a basic configuration to allow mom and pop to take it out of the box and use what they want. However with a simple mouse click (or sometimes just a bit of reading the actual preferences) all the power features can be turned on or off to your liking.
Not to mention Mortal Pongbat, Ares, Maze Wars, Avara,and Pillars of Garendal
Some people are arguing that Napster, Morpheus, LimeWire et al are facilitating this, and are thereby guilty through association (in an "aiding and abetting sort of way). IF that's true, and I AM willing to scede that argument, then the RIAA and the artists need to take action against the manufacturers of CD-RW, DVD-RW, Casette tapes, mini-disc, VHS, Super-H, BetaMax etc etc etc, ad inifinitum. Anything less implies that they don't actually care about protecting their rights.
h tml
They did, they've fought all of these and in many cases still are. Hell they even fought the CD sampling machines in Wal-Mart. read here for more fun: http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.
However, I would like to make the case that if they are going to charge a tarrif to offset piracy (as they do on cassette tapes, Audio CD-Rs and VHS tapes) Then they are giving me permission to use the music and files any way I see fit so long as I do not derrive a profit from it. THIS INCLUDES FILE SHARING.
I think he meant that they had to sue him for damages within 5 years or else it''s considered that the artist (person whoever owns the copywrite) has accepted the activity as legal. Hence, fan fics can exist, in so long as the people are not sued by CW holders
Does this mean that the ISP will be recording the IPs of people accesing those files and if those IPs then attempt to illegaly access the IW Network, ban those IPs. Or does that mean that they will be checking to see if theri clients are accessing those files and disconnect their clients?
I'm all for it. I loved hypercard and still occasionaly dabble with my old copy of it. I would love to see it opensourced (though it was fairly open in terms of people being able to develop ad-ons) and given back the mac community beefed up and ready to go.
HyperStudio was (is?) a colorized imitation of hypercard. For the most part, it was much harder to use than hyper card, had a rather cryptic scripting language and wasn't quite as versitile. I prefer Hypercard with teh color toolkit.
1) If you are a network admin, and you are an admin of a wireless network. And you are not up to date enough to at least have heard of warchalking and have some inkling as to what the odd markings outside your office meant, then you really deserve what's comming to you.
2) If these people just walked into the main lobby and said "Your network is insecure" they would be escorted out the door. If they said "I just hacked your network" they would be arrested and thrown in jail. So how do you propose to inform the business without getting a kick in the ass or thrown in jail?
3) What covert? It's friggen plain as day, you just have to be up to date. Which YOU SHOULD BE if you are an admin.
First, Apple keeps trying to bundle shit that I don't want. I want email - that's it. That's the sum total of my use for iTools. .Mac is a good value if you want to eat all the shit Jobs is serving for dinner but otherwise you're paying $15 for a plateful of crap and that dinner mint at the end, which is all you really wanted.
Might I then recomend operamail.com or submail.net or even yahoomail? If mail is all you care about, then there's plenty of free stuff arround. If it's the @mac.com part that you want, well, I guess you pay a price then. Just like with websites, if the name means nothing to you, there's plenty of free space out there. If you want a domain though, you pay for it. It sucks, but that's life.
I'm buying a new PowerMac and again Apple has stupid bundling. You *must* buy a DVD playing drive - at least a $100 more than a CD-RW drive would cost. If you buy a second drive that has to play DVDs, too. WTF? I don't
need that functionality and stocking and putting in a CD-RW or a CD-ROM drive isn't hard. So why does Apple insist on making me buy crap I don't want to get the stuff I do want? Aren't their prices high enough without forcing this stuff on their customers?
From pricewatch.com:
16x10x32 CD-RW drive. Lowest price $42
8x DVD ROM Lowest price: $38
12x8x32 + 8x DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive. Lowest price: $84
So apple gives you a 16x10x32 + 8x DVD/CD-RW drive, and at worst your paying $42 dollars more than if you bought just the CD RW. Not a bad deal in my book. Seeing as how you know Apple's drives are high quality. But ignore even that fact for a second and consider. What if down the road, you decide you want a DVD drive. So you buy one, stick it in your powermac, and now, you don't have anymore drive bays. They bundle the DVD and the CD-RW because it allows them to get away with 2 drive bays. What else could you want. Who knows, maybe a HD caddy, but the point is, they cover their ass by ensuring you don't have to waste a bay with any other optical media drives. How bout all the poor people who don't even want a burner? Should they be allowed to have a CD ROM only selection? Don't you realize by adding more choices, they raise the price (choices means stocking, stocking means storage, storage means more costs). The bundle makes perfect sense. And when someone hands you a burned DVD with data on it, and all you have is a CD-RW, what will you do then? Complain that apple didn't give you a DVD drive? Think about it.
So I've dedicated myself to giving them as little money as possible.
Good, so on the one hand, bitch about how they don't provide enough options and choices, and then on the other hand, don't give them the money that would allow for choices. Bright move there.
Apple restricts some resellers from selling to new customers even though they are indeed "Apple Certified Resellers".
Where do they do that? Which resellers aren't allowed to sell.
Plus, Linux developers don't have to pay hundreds of dollars for early access to APIs
For the public APIs and the APIs which are opensourse, you don't have to pay for the jaguar ones either. Even some of the private ones, you don't have to pay, the basic ADC membership is free. You do know that right?
For me to discuss Jaguar's APIs I would have to personally know other OS X developers who have the same access as me and privately email them or discuss by phone or face to face. Newsgroups, mailing lists (including Apple's own lists) and any tool of the information age which could allow someone who hasn't signed an NDA with Apple is verboten.
It's the same with any company. If you have acess to their closed source, you can't give that access to the public. It's not underhanded schemes, it's business. If you want to discuss freely, then discuss the opensourced APIs. And no one is forcing you to pay, you choose to do so of your own free will.
I see plenty of good software being developed for OS X. The reason I think you're pissed is because, you're not a student, you're not an educator, you're not a business, you're a hobbyist who doesn't have the money to pay for his access to the closed information, so you're pissed and you want it free. So sad, too bad. It's not good business to opensource your big leverage over the competition. When they can hold you to a NDA, they can reclaim a loss if you decide to leak info. That's why they hold you to and NDA, that's why you pay money. If you don't like it, develop the opensource portions and leave the closed source to the people at Apple and the people willing to pay.
Because by having a future compatible chassis now, they can spend more money on developing chips and getting Moto to shape up. They had the money to go forward, they went forward. Now they just need to develop the finishing touch, and they get a surge of new money from the new tech, all to dump into the finishing touch.
Even IF (big IF) they are the same, notice the giant price drop you just got. So stop whining and start buying. If they have more money to develop with, you'll get a better machine. Doesn't anyone understand long term investing anymore?