So, everytime there is a rape, you think it's okay that all black males in the area become suspects?
Did I say that? Show me where the fuck I said that once. The police had a description to go on based on the call they had recieved. The guy matched that descrtiption. He therefore becomes a suspect. End of story.
I know it takes more time to
1) Draw 2) Aim 3) shoot
than just to
1) Shoot.
Most criminals when they shoot, don't bother to aim, because the cops will start moving when they get a shot off, which will throw the cops aim off. They point the gun in the general direction and fire. The guy was already drawing something. So What we have is draw and shoot. It takes less than 2 seconds to draw and shoot, especialy if you already have the gun in your hand. Again, the guy was in the process of drawing, he had already been ordered 3 times (at least) to freeze, stop moving and put his hands in the air. He didn't. He was believed to be armed and dangerous, the cops had to make a decision whether they were going ot die or he was.
Being a passenger isn't a crime, but the author admited that he had been drinking. It doesn't take much to smell alcohol + reckless driving + no way to verify is the person is of age to be drinking or if they're even who they say they are and the cops can hold you untill they verify your ID
I had my time frame wrong, this shootout only took 2 hours. It was a different one that I was thinking of that was 14 hours. But regardless, do a search for North Hollywood shootout.
They had time (while he continued to pull the object out, and, IF it were a gun, aimed it at them) to ID the object in his hand before merely twitching their trigger finger and firing.
Perhaps you don't understand that they couldn't. You don't seem to understand how quickly you can draw a gun, nor do you understand thinking when you're looking for an armed and dangerous person, and the person in front of you is supposed to be him.
Diallo was DEAD after the first few shots. It was the impact of the rest of the shots that stop him from falling to the ground.
Completely irrelevant, you don't stop shooting untill your target is down. Period. The fact that one of the cops had lost his footing and had fallen didn't help matters either.
Oddly, the police were able to see well enough to believe Diallo resembled the rapist, but were not able to see well enough to distinguish Diallo's wallet from a gun.
What your site fails to note ws that he was IDed on teh street, and they followed him as they were catching up to him. And it doesn't take a whole lot of light to identify black male, 5 foot 11 inches, medium build last seen in vicinity X. But in a high tension situation, you don't have time to ID something that someone is pulling out of their pocket, especialy when you've already told them repeatedly to stop.
Four men approaching you with guns drawn--when you yourself know you've done nothing wrong--are to be feared rather than trusted.
They're alsoa good reason to stand the fuck still and not make stupid moves.
People die in a half a second. Period. Remember that the guy they were looking for was armed and dangerous. In short, no they couldn't have waited.
The area was not lighted (that was the problem), and I don't recall anythgn about only half their shots hitting him, but if anything, that may have had something to do with rapid fireing of a pistol doesn't lead to great accuracy.
A cop is trained in catching people (aka law enforcement) and not law. thats the job a lawyer does.
Kinda hard to enforce what you don't understand.
I dont think any person with sufficient self dignity would let some silly SOB stop them at whim and fancy. If you think its OK, then that says a lot about your self respect and self dignity.
I'm not letting some silly SOB stop me, I'm letting a cop stop me, or on a more basic level, I'm lettign a man with authority, and a gun stop me.
You wont be noticing and having a chance to note down the number and name from his tags, besides they are easy to fake and any cow can come up with a fake cop uniform. I bet you would fall for it then. Just like a cop wants to check up your identity, there should be a facility to do it the other way around also.
I bet you would fall for it too. But tell me, what iformation is on my ID that is damaging? And how many people do you know that do this?
He might be someone who is retired/suspended but still has got his "stuff" with him just to trip on people
He might be looking to get his ass arrested for impersonating an officer.
IN such a case, you are as well off handing your info to me as you are to the cop.
The difference is, you don't have a gun, or the appearance of authority.
Do you buy stuff with a credit card? Do you put your name on forms? Do you pay for things with checks? How do you know the person you are giving this information to is real?
The answer is, you don't. You have a reasonable level of trust.
They both look deadly and as far as the number of rounds goes, its enough to kill a herd of elephants and we are just humans here.
A knife looks deadly too, but that does make it a gun.
And 18 rounds is enough to kill a heard of elephants is it? Since when?
a citizen's life is cheaper than a cop's life?
No
a cop can kill at will just for "self defence"?
No, they can only kill the threat. And so can you. Or did you forget that part of the law. If you believe that your life is in imediate danger, you have the right to use deadly force.
I know about the case and I understood many more aspects of it than you probably because I was a foreigner living in NYC at that time.
What I coincidence I grew up in NY, and spent plenty of time in teh city thank you.
Some undercover cop, not in his uniform, flashes a badge at some guy in a dark alley in the middle of the night.. that guy happens to be a foreigner.. he is saying that he has ID and wants to show it.. in the mean time our dumbass trigger happy cop kills him!
Maybe this dumbass foreigner should have stopped moving and put his god damn hands in teh air like the cops told him to. I don't know about you, but if someone is pointing a gun at me, I'm not about to go reaching for anything in my back pocket.
the cop should have asked for back up/ lights what ever..
For someone who was in NYC at the time, you sure don't know anything about the case do you? If you did, you would have known that there were 4 cops at the scene.
if not he should have just shut the fuck up and gone his way rather than killing a poor innocent man.. thats the whole gist of law and law enforcement
They were looking for an armed and dangerous criminal. The man they had stopped matched that description. Are you telling me they should have just walked away?
why are people allowed to have guns?
Because we have a constitutionaly guaranteed right to life and the ability to defend that life, from everyone, including the government if need be.
Now that people may have guns, every person is suspect to having a gun and can be even killed by a cop just because the person was stupid enough to bend down to scratch his legs.
1) It's kinda hard to shoot someone in the head when they're opening up automatic weaponry on you. And IIRC they had head gear too.
2) Don't you think the cops tried that? These guys are better trained in their jobs than you are. And you'd be pretty amazed what 2 people without regard to human life can do. Remember there were civilians in the area too. So while the robbers could shoot any where anytime, the cops actualy had to aim, aim well and not hit people. Additionaly you ever try dodging a bullet? Give it a shot some time, it's not as easy as it seems.
What false arrest, by the guy's own admission he had been drinking. He gave them permission to search the car and they found ilegal drugs, and they couldn't find his ID in the system and thus could not verify who he was, or if he was of legal age to drink
Very simple, the vehicle was stopped for reckless driving (a crime) and the occupents could not be identified. They have a right to detain you until they can verify your identity.
First of all you're the fucking retard. He's a cop that's who he is, trained in the law probably better than you will ever be. He is identified, his badge number is printed, and many cops have a name tag. I wouldn't give you my ID because you are not a person with whome any authority has been trusted. A cop is.
The pistol looks nothing like the german pistols (do some research into Mausers).
As for the number of rounds, that has nothing to do with anything.
As for the 99 case, you don't know shit do you? A wallet in the dark when you're taking it out of your BACK pocket can look like a gun. Look into the compart H&K pistols if you think a gun can't be that small.
Cops need a damn good reason to pull the trigger. They are just as suceptable to murder laws as you or I.
As for taking away the weapons and the tools to do their job from cops, maybe you should read up about the bank robbery out in california a few years back. At the time, the cops were not allowed to posess any sort of high powered gun, the best they had were shot guns. The robbers on teh other hand were equipped with body armor, M16s and other high powered rifles and armor piercing rounds. It was I believve a 14 hour stand off. The cops finaly came out on top, but only because some local gun shops offered them high powered rifles and ammo.
Perhaps you should learn teh difference between intentional attacks and colateral damage. And then i suggest you go talk with some soldiers. They don't go out there to kill civilians.
Beleiving in lead poisoning is far different from believing OMG WE"RE ALL GONNA DIE FROM LEAD!!!!.
Just like Asbestos. I can believe it had harmful effects, but lets' be real, asbestos was only dangerous in particle form, and made a great heat shield, but we can't use it anymore cause if you eat it you get cancer.
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The system is working the way it was designed to work. One man is not pushing us into war. Congress has the authority to cut all funding for operations in Iraq except the funding nessesary to get our troops back home. Likewise, they had the authority to not provide the funding nessesary to wage war in Iraq. The fact that congress never officialy declared war has nothing to do with the fact that they approved of this and as such the system is working. One man has not kept us here, 290+/- or so men (and women) have
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It is, but it depends on which version you buy. If you buy the CDs individualy, it's on CD 2, but if you buy the box set, it's on CD 1
So, everytime there is a rape, you think it's okay that all black males in the area become suspects?
Did I say that? Show me where the fuck I said that once. The police had a description to go on based on the call they had recieved. The guy matched that descrtiption. He therefore becomes a suspect. End of story.
I know it takes more time to
1) Draw
2) Aim
3) shoot
than just to
1) Shoot.
Most criminals when they shoot, don't bother to aim, because the cops will start moving when they get a shot off, which will throw the cops aim off. They point the gun in the general direction and fire. The guy was already drawing something. So What we have is draw and shoot. It takes less than 2 seconds to draw and shoot, especialy if you already have the gun in your hand. Again, the guy was in the process of drawing, he had already been ordered 3 times (at least) to freeze, stop moving and put his hands in the air. He didn't. He was believed to be armed and dangerous, the cops had to make a decision whether they were going ot die or he was.
Read further down in the thread. He did say he had been drinking.
Being a passenger isn't a crime, but the author admited that he had been drinking. It doesn't take much to smell alcohol + reckless driving + no way to verify is the person is of age to be drinking or if they're even who they say they are and the cops can hold you untill they verify your ID
I had my time frame wrong, this shootout only took 2 hours. It was a different one that I was thinking of that was 14 hours. But regardless, do a search for North Hollywood shootout.
They had time (while he continued to pull the object out, and, IF it were a gun, aimed it at them) to ID the object in his hand before merely twitching their trigger finger and firing.
Perhaps you don't understand that they couldn't. You don't seem to understand how quickly you can draw a gun, nor do you understand thinking when you're looking for an armed and dangerous person, and the person in front of you is supposed to be him.
Diallo was DEAD after the first few shots. It was the impact of the rest of the shots that stop him from falling to the ground.
Completely irrelevant, you don't stop shooting untill your target is down. Period. The fact that one of the cops had lost his footing and had fallen didn't help matters either.
Oddly, the police were able to see well enough to believe Diallo resembled the rapist, but were not able to see well enough to distinguish Diallo's wallet from a gun.
What your site fails to note ws that he was IDed on teh street, and they followed him as they were catching up to him. And it doesn't take a whole lot of light to identify black male, 5 foot 11 inches, medium build last seen in vicinity X. But in a high tension situation, you don't have time to ID something that someone is pulling out of their pocket, especialy when you've already told them repeatedly to stop.
Four men approaching you with guns drawn--when you yourself know you've done nothing wrong--are to be feared rather than trusted.
They're alsoa good reason to stand the fuck still and not make stupid moves.
Yeah I read it, and all I see is a bit of philosophy difference. That doesn't tell me how it's going to detroy the OSS comunity.
People die in a half a second. Period. Remember that the guy they were looking for was armed and dangerous. In short, no they couldn't have waited.
The area was not lighted (that was the problem), and I don't recall anythgn about only half their shots hitting him, but if anything, that may have had something to do with rapid fireing of a pistol doesn't lead to great accuracy.
A cop is trained in catching people (aka law enforcement) and not law. thats the job a lawyer does.
Kinda hard to enforce what you don't understand.
I dont think any person with sufficient self dignity would let some silly SOB stop them at whim and fancy. If you think its OK, then that says a lot about your self respect and self dignity.
I'm not letting some silly SOB stop me, I'm letting a cop stop me, or on a more basic level, I'm lettign a man with authority, and a gun stop me.
You wont be noticing and having a chance to note down the number and name from his tags, besides they are easy to fake and any cow can come up with a fake cop uniform. I bet you would fall for it then. Just like a cop wants to check up your identity, there should be a facility to do it the other way around also.
I bet you would fall for it too. But tell me, what iformation is on my ID that is damaging? And how many people do you know that do this?
He might be someone who is retired/suspended but still has got his "stuff" with him just to trip on people
He might be looking to get his ass arrested for impersonating an officer.
IN such a case, you are as well off handing your info to me as you are to the cop.
The difference is, you don't have a gun, or the appearance of authority.
Do you buy stuff with a credit card? Do you put your name on forms? Do you pay for things with checks? How do you know the person you are giving this information to is real?
The answer is, you don't. You have a reasonable level of trust.
They both look deadly and as far as the number of rounds goes, its enough to kill a herd of elephants and we are just humans here.
A knife looks deadly too, but that does make it a gun.
And 18 rounds is enough to kill a heard of elephants is it? Since when?
a citizen's life is cheaper than a cop's life?
No
a cop can kill at will just for "self defence"?
No, they can only kill the threat. And so can you. Or did you forget that part of the law. If you believe that your life is in imediate danger, you have the right to use deadly force.
I know about the case and I understood many more aspects of it than you probably because I was a foreigner living in NYC at that time.
What I coincidence I grew up in NY, and spent plenty of time in teh city thank you.
Some undercover cop, not in his uniform, flashes a badge at some guy in a dark alley in the middle of the night.. that guy happens to be a foreigner.. he is saying that he has ID and wants to show it.. in the mean time our dumbass trigger happy cop kills him!
Maybe this dumbass foreigner should have stopped moving and put his god damn hands in teh air like the cops told him to. I don't know about you, but if someone is pointing a gun at me, I'm not about to go reaching for anything in my back pocket.
the cop should have asked for back up/ lights what ever..
For someone who was in NYC at the time, you sure don't know anything about the case do you? If you did, you would have known that there were 4 cops at the scene.
if not he should have just shut the fuck up and gone his way rather than killing a poor innocent man.. thats the whole gist of law and law enforcement
They were looking for an armed and dangerous criminal. The man they had stopped matched that description. Are you telling me they should have just walked away?
why are people allowed to have guns?
Because we have a constitutionaly guaranteed right to life and the ability to defend that life, from everyone, including the government if need be.
Now that people may have guns, every person is suspect to having a gun and can be even killed by a cop just because the person was stupid enough to bend down to scratch his legs.
Natural Selection is a bitch isn't it?
1) It's kinda hard to shoot someone in the head when they're opening up automatic weaponry on you. And IIRC they had head gear too.
2) Don't you think the cops tried that? These guys are better trained in their jobs than you are. And you'd be pretty amazed what 2 people without regard to human life can do. Remember there were civilians in the area too. So while the robbers could shoot any where anytime, the cops actualy had to aim, aim well and not hit people. Additionaly you ever try dodging a bullet? Give it a shot some time, it's not as easy as it seems.
What false arrest, by the guy's own admission he had been drinking. He gave them permission to search the car and they found ilegal drugs, and they couldn't find his ID in the system and thus could not verify who he was, or if he was of legal age to drink
YOu gave him permission to search the house, therefore, there was no 4th amaendment violation
Very simple, the vehicle was stopped for reckless driving (a crime) and the occupents could not be identified. They have a right to detain you until they can verify your identity.
First of all you're the fucking retard. He's a cop that's who he is, trained in the law probably better than you will ever be. He is identified, his badge number is printed, and many cops have a name tag. I wouldn't give you my ID because you are not a person with whome any authority has been trusted. A cop is.
The pistol looks nothing like the german pistols (do some research into Mausers).
As for the number of rounds, that has nothing to do with anything.
As for the 99 case, you don't know shit do you? A wallet in the dark when you're taking it out of your BACK pocket can look like a gun. Look into the compart H&K pistols if you think a gun can't be that small.
Cops need a damn good reason to pull the trigger. They are just as suceptable to murder laws as you or I.
As for taking away the weapons and the tools to do their job from cops, maybe you should read up about the bank robbery out in california a few years back. At the time, the cops were not allowed to posess any sort of high powered gun, the best they had were shot guns. The robbers on teh other hand were equipped with body armor, M16s and other high powered rifles and armor piercing rounds. It was I believve a 14 hour stand off. The cops finaly came out on top, but only because some local gun shops offered them high powered rifles and ammo.
Perhaps you should learn teh difference between intentional attacks and colateral damage. And then i suggest you go talk with some soldiers. They don't go out there to kill civilians.
There's plenty of difference. A terrorist attacks civilians and non military targets. People who fight for what they believe in (soldiers) do not.
cause a roughly ~58% popularity is great for someone trying to get reelected. War is a great popularity booster only if the people are behind you.
Actually, Greenspeace has been called eco terrorists for longer than bush & co have been throwing the word arround.
For an administration only concerned with reelection, invading a country isnt' the brightest of ideas
Beleiving in lead poisoning is far different from believing OMG WE"RE ALL GONNA DIE FROM LEAD!!!!.
Just like Asbestos. I can believe it had harmful effects, but lets' be real, asbestos was only dangerous in particle form, and made a great heat shield, but we can't use it anymore cause if you eat it you get cancer.
Here's a thought: DON"T EAT IT!
I was under the impression that you can distribute GPL code as binaries, you just havve to make the source availible upon request.
Who in the RIAA should be arrested?
On point 1, we've seen many corporations (SCO, Microsoft et al) shoot themselves in the foot many times and still blindly suge ahead.
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SideTrack supports these features:
Vertical scrolling at left or right edge of pad.
Horizontal scrolling at top or bottom edge of pad.
Map hardware button to left or right click.
Map trackpad taps to no action, left click, left click drag (with or without drag lock), or right click.
Compatible with uControl, including uControl's scroll emulation.
The system is working the way it was designed to work. One man is not pushing us into war. Congress has the authority to cut all funding for operations in Iraq except the funding nessesary to get our troops back home. Likewise, they had the authority to not provide the funding nessesary to wage war in Iraq. The fact that congress never officialy declared war has nothing to do with the fact that they approved of this and as such the system is working. One man has not kept us here, 290+/- or so men (and women) have