Sure it does. A perfect example of this is the idea of magic. People enjoy magic shows because they don't know how the tricks are happening. Even if they know they are illusions, they can't see the illusion, so for all intents and purposes it is magic. Once you know the secret however, it just becomes another boring performance.
Meticulous documentation of how something works can and often does devalue the experience.
Might it have something to do with the land that they were given was at the time brittish territory? Or the fact that their ancestors had lived in that area for as long as the palestinians? Originaly they had a very small section of land, given to them by the brittish government. Then 6 other nations decided they didn't like that and invaded. Israel beat them back and in the process captured territories (a convention of warfare, any land captured is yours) and now the paletinians are pissed because they have less land. Lesson to the palestinians, if you want to keep your land, don't go starting wars you can't win.
Right, DRM everything. Like what? The RTF files that Tex Edit makes? Maybe the PDFs that preview and every other app can make? Surely you meant the MP3s, AACs, AIFFs or WAVs that iTunes makes? Maybe you meant the GIFs, PNGs, JPGs, BMPs and PICTs that Immage Capture makes? Oh I know, you meant the.mov.qtl.pct.mp4.flc.dv.avi or.3gp files that quicktime exports to rght? Or the other formats supported simply by installing a plugin. Er, wait a minute, that's not right because none of those files have DRM built in. In fact the only format that does are the.m4p's used by iTunes Music Store by order of the RIAA. Well I guess that shoots your theory to hell doesn't it.
It's either that or it stores an authorization file on the player. Either way this shoudl easily be implimentable in other players that are AAC enabled.
Again though, the AAC files from teh iTMS are designed to play in AAC compatable players. They can't do much with DRM on the players given that the file can be copied to an unlimited number of iPods and the iPods have no way of authorizing from a central server, so the only thing I can think of that they do is either ignore the DRM (like the copyright flag on CDs) or they get an authorization key (similar to a PGP private key) and store that in memory on the player. Either way, it should be a fairly trivial to make it so that other AAC enabled players can play the files.
The DRM that is inplace is circumventable and fairly easily too, but that is the point. The idea is, if you have a legal use for these things, 99.9% of the time it's going to fall into the realm of the DRM, and as such it isn't circumventing the DRM. There are only two uses that I can see of removing DRM from these files. The first is to play them on an unaurthorized computer. This may seem like something many people would want to do but when it comes down to it, there aren't a whole lot fo situations where you are going to have mroe than 3 computers that need to be authorized at any given time. If there is a direct problem with this, it also makes more sense to ask apple to change the number and maybe make it 5 or 8 or 10. But present the arguments clearly and reasonably and people will listen. Breaking the protection scheme and bragging about it all over the net is just a good way to piss people off. I wonder if any large group of people have actualy asked Apple that the number of authorized computers increase? I would venture a guess of no.
The other reason is to play the files on a linux computer. Let's start with the problems:
1) the files use quicktime, there is no linux quicktime 2) linux is the OS of work arrounds, if you bought songs from iTMS, then you have a legitimately authorized computer, how about writing a work arround that checks the authorization key (that has to be stored localy) and plays the file? 3) If you only have linux machines, you didnt' get the file legaly, as such, you have to right to the file. 4) If you are a "true" linux geek, you don't want to be using AAC anyways, because it isn't an open source codec
DRM is not an ingerrently evil thing. And if implimented right, can be used properly and without infringing on rights. It will take time and trial and error to hit on the right scheme. But destroying schemes for the purpose of destroying them is not going to make anyoen listen to you.
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So tell me, how many computers from 1992-1993 are you just now retiring from service, despite the fact that they still work because you've got a bunch of newer machines to take their place?
For reference, we just finished last year retireing some macs circa 1987. Though we still do have one or two lying about in use. Tell me when the last time you used a computer from the 80's for anything more than novelty use?
Fucking troll.
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Reliability of data transfer. The faster you spin the disc, the higher a chance you have of error when writing, and unlike with reading, if you write wrong, you can't go back and fix it.
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Aging and crippled? Hell I still use mine to boot my old computers when I want to use a different operating system. And for the record, it is a pain in the ass to get MkLinux (circa 1998 or so) running on a PowerMac 5400/180 when the disk you are installing to is a SCSI SyQuest drive.
iPods are great products, but I have over 200 Gigs of data that I just backed up this summer and it was a hell of a lot cheaper per MB to buy CD-Rs and DVD-Rs then to buy the equivilent space in iPods or mini external HDDs
You do realize the licence to decrypt the music is stored localy when you authorize the computer right? Think of it like the private key for PGP. It's not that inconceiveable to locate said file and install it.
Likewise, 30 years from now, I would hope you'd be wanting to use a different format anyway. Notice you can't go from LP to a modern music form without some loss of quality these days.
I know, it's horrible. And WTF is with making me rip my CDs to MP3s to use on my RIO? I mean for crying out loud, I shoul djust be able to like, put my CD into any arbitrary device and have it work without any effort on my part. And it's all over. I mean, why can't my car stereo play my old LPs? And my cassets? Forget it, nothing digital plays those these days. It's so annoying to have to convert music intended for one type of player to another type.
Guess you don't buy CDs huh, cause you sure as hell can't play them in your casset player. I mena what the fuck is with that? And god those DVDs? I mean jesus why should I have to go out and buy a whole seperate player just to watch movies?
I'm curious as to how the DRM is supposed to work on a portable like an iPod given that the iPod has no way of checking for an authorization to play the file, yet you can transfer the song to as many iPods as you want. Something tells me that the nature of the DRM isn't nearly as restrictive as you think, and that it wouldn't be much effort to get a driver working.
Aside from the method given by the other poster, you could also use something like wiretap or audio hijack to take the digital stream on your computer and save it as uncompressed audio to convert however you like.
b) you use linux, you can't use a lot of shit natively. your choice. Maybe some of you should get together and write something that does what iTunes does. I'm sure with enough packet snifing and work you could create one.
Ok, I'm sorry but this is a little short-sighted. Just because you happen to like iTunes doesn't mean that the rest of us do. People who use multiple OS's can't use the files. I can't use them in my MP3 player or in my Discman that plays MP3 CD's.
Jesus I''m sick and tired of hearing this shit over and over again. Look, the AAC files are designed to play on devices with AAC playback ability. If your portable won't play it, bitch at the manufacturer. Second, CDs won't play on my portable casset player, cassets wont play on my portable CD player and my CDs won't play on my iPod. You know what I do? I fucking convert the format like I always have and just like you can do with iTMS files. Jesus you people are whiney.
You've found a service you find reasonable priced and easy to use. That's good news.
Indeed it is because there are a lot of people like him which shows the RIAA that the internet is not the den of theives they make it out to be, rather it's a large all encompassing community that is willing to pay a fair price for a product of service if it's offered.
No. Anyone that wants music with no DRM will just download it off Kazaa, etc.
So why do we need this cracker again?
When have they ever needed an excuse?
They don't, but then again, a muderer doesn't need an excuse to blow your brains out. That doesn't make it a wise decision to bite his hand and hand him a clip full of hollow points.
And the music industry decided to ignore the people and try and sue anyone that tried to implement anything reasonable. So they got exactly what they deserved. I've very little sympathy.
And they they softened their stance a bit, and said we'll give this net thing a try. And the first thing people do is they shit all over the sign of good faith. Reminds me something of the whole palestine israel thing. Neither side is willing to show good faith, and when one does, the other takes advantage of it.
Just because you like something doesn't mean you speak for everybody. For instance, not a single Linux user can use the service.
Linux users can't use a lot of things natively. That's never stopped them before. And I've seen some of the convoluted work arrounds linux users will go through. Why is the iTMS any different?
That kind of panic isn't very helpful. You should debate each bill on its merits.
Kinda like you should debate each form of DRM and each service on their merits instead of blindly deciding to shit all over them because they don't meet your original demands?
I think that Apple isn't the benevolent benefactor to mankind you make out, and they really want to sell more iPods.
News flash buddy, people do things for personal gain. The whole OSS movement is all about personal gain and feeling good about oneself. The difference is, no one is making money off it.
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Sure it does. A perfect example of this is the idea of magic. People enjoy magic shows because they don't know how the tricks are happening. Even if they know they are illusions, they can't see the illusion, so for all intents and purposes it is magic. Once you know the secret however, it just becomes another boring performance.
Meticulous documentation of how something works can and often does devalue the experience.
You act as if evolution and creationism are mutualy exclusive
Might it have something to do with the land that they were given was at the time brittish territory? Or the fact that their ancestors had lived in that area for as long as the palestinians? Originaly they had a very small section of land, given to them by the brittish government. Then 6 other nations decided they didn't like that and invaded. Israel beat them back and in the process captured territories (a convention of warfare, any land captured is yours) and now the paletinians are pissed because they have less land. Lesson to the palestinians, if you want to keep your land, don't go starting wars you can't win.
You missed the one bitching about how it's cheaper to buy an MP3 CD player.
Right, DRM everything. Like what? The RTF files that Tex Edit makes? Maybe the PDFs that preview and every other app can make? Surely you meant the MP3s, AACs, AIFFs or WAVs that iTunes makes? Maybe you meant the GIFs, PNGs, JPGs, BMPs and PICTs that Immage Capture makes? Oh I know, you meant the .mov .qtl .pct .mp4 .flc .dv .avi or .3gp files that quicktime exports to rght? Or the other formats supported simply by installing a plugin. Er, wait a minute, that's not right because none of those files have DRM built in. In fact the only format that does are the .m4p's used by iTunes Music Store by order of the RIAA. Well I guess that shoots your theory to hell doesn't it.
Answer: When you both shut up and start using OS X
It's either that or it stores an authorization file on the player. Either way this shoudl easily be implimentable in other players that are AAC enabled.
Again though, the AAC files from teh iTMS are designed to play in AAC compatable players. They can't do much with DRM on the players given that the file can be copied to an unlimited number of iPods and the iPods have no way of authorizing from a central server, so the only thing I can think of that they do is either ignore the DRM (like the copyright flag on CDs) or they get an authorization key (similar to a PGP private key) and store that in memory on the player. Either way, it should be a fairly trivial to make it so that other AAC enabled players can play the files.
The DRM that is inplace is circumventable and fairly easily too, but that is the point. The idea is, if you have a legal use for these things, 99.9% of the time it's going to fall into the realm of the DRM, and as such it isn't circumventing the DRM. There are only two uses that I can see of removing DRM from these files. The first is to play them on an unaurthorized computer. This may seem like something many people would want to do but when it comes down to it, there aren't a whole lot fo situations where you are going to have mroe than 3 computers that need to be authorized at any given time. If there is a direct problem with this, it also makes more sense to ask apple to change the number and maybe make it 5 or 8 or 10. But present the arguments clearly and reasonably and people will listen. Breaking the protection scheme and bragging about it all over the net is just a good way to piss people off. I wonder if any large group of people have actualy asked Apple that the number of authorized computers increase? I would venture a guess of no.
The other reason is to play the files on a linux computer. Let's start with the problems:
1) the files use quicktime, there is no linux quicktime
2) linux is the OS of work arrounds, if you bought songs from iTMS, then you have a legitimately authorized computer, how about writing a work arround that checks the authorization key (that has to be stored localy) and plays the file?
3) If you only have linux machines, you didnt' get the file legaly, as such, you have to right to the file.
4) If you are a "true" linux geek, you don't want to be using AAC anyways, because it isn't an open source codec
DRM is not an ingerrently evil thing. And if implimented right, can be used properly and without infringing on rights. It will take time and trial and error to hit on the right scheme. But destroying schemes for the purpose of destroying them is not going to make anyoen listen to you.
So tell me, how many computers from 1992-1993 are you just now retiring from service, despite the fact that they still work because you've got a bunch of newer machines to take their place?
For reference, we just finished last year retireing some macs circa 1987. Though we still do have one or two lying about in use. Tell me when the last time you used a computer from the 80's for anything more than novelty use?
Fucking troll.
Reliability of data transfer. The faster you spin the disc, the higher a chance you have of error when writing, and unlike with reading, if you write wrong, you can't go back and fix it.
Aging and crippled? Hell I still use mine to boot my old computers when I want to use a different operating system. And for the record, it is a pain in the ass to get MkLinux (circa 1998 or so) running on a PowerMac 5400/180 when the disk you are installing to is a SCSI SyQuest drive.
iPods are great products, but I have over 200 Gigs of data that I just backed up this summer and it was a hell of a lot cheaper per MB to buy CD-Rs and DVD-Rs then to buy the equivilent space in iPods or mini external HDDs
You do realize the licence to decrypt the music is stored localy when you authorize the computer right? Think of it like the private key for PGP. It's not that inconceiveable to locate said file and install it.
Likewise, 30 years from now, I would hope you'd be wanting to use a different format anyway. Notice you can't go from LP to a modern music form without some loss of quality these days.
And they are yours. I'm still failing to see what you said you wanted to do that iTunes prevents you from doing?
I know, it's horrible. And WTF is with making me rip my CDs to MP3s to use on my RIO? I mean for crying out loud, I shoul djust be able to like, put my CD into any arbitrary device and have it work without any effort on my part. And it's all over. I mean, why can't my car stereo play my old LPs? And my cassets? Forget it, nothing digital plays those these days. It's so annoying to have to convert music intended for one type of player to another type.
Guess you don't buy CDs huh, cause you sure as hell can't play them in your casset player. I mena what the fuck is with that? And god those DVDs? I mean jesus why should I have to go out and buy a whole seperate player just to watch movies?
I'm curious as to how the DRM is supposed to work on a portable like an iPod given that the iPod has no way of checking for an authorization to play the file, yet you can transfer the song to as many iPods as you want. Something tells me that the nature of the DRM isn't nearly as restrictive as you think, and that it wouldn't be much effort to get a driver working.
Aside from the method given by the other poster, you could also use something like wiretap or audio hijack to take the digital stream on your computer and save it as uncompressed audio to convert however you like.
a) Linux is not a mainstream OS
b) you use linux, you can't use a lot of shit natively. your choice. Maybe some of you should get together and write something that does what iTunes does. I'm sure with enough packet snifing and work you could create one.
Ok, I'm sorry but this is a little short-sighted. Just because you happen to like iTunes doesn't mean that the rest of us do. People who use multiple OS's can't use the files. I can't use them in my MP3 player or in my Discman that plays MP3 CD's.
Jesus I''m sick and tired of hearing this shit over and over again. Look, the AAC files are designed to play on devices with AAC playback ability. If your portable won't play it, bitch at the manufacturer. Second, CDs won't play on my portable casset player, cassets wont play on my portable CD player and my CDs won't play on my iPod. You know what I do? I fucking convert the format like I always have and just like you can do with iTMS files. Jesus you people are whiney.
It's still DRMed.
So is a CD or an Audio casset. Your point?
You've found a service you find reasonable priced and easy to use. That's good news.
Indeed it is because there are a lot of people like him which shows the RIAA that the internet is not the den of theives they make it out to be, rather it's a large all encompassing community that is willing to pay a fair price for a product of service if it's offered.
No. Anyone that wants music with no DRM will just download it off Kazaa, etc.
So why do we need this cracker again?
When have they ever needed an excuse?
They don't, but then again, a muderer doesn't need an excuse to blow your brains out. That doesn't make it a wise decision to bite his hand and hand him a clip full of hollow points.
And the music industry decided to ignore the people and try and sue anyone that tried to implement anything reasonable. So they got exactly what they deserved. I've very little sympathy.
And they they softened their stance a bit, and said we'll give this net thing a try. And the first thing people do is they shit all over the sign of good faith. Reminds me something of the whole palestine israel thing. Neither side is willing to show good faith, and when one does, the other takes advantage of it.
Just because you like something doesn't mean you speak for everybody. For instance, not a single Linux user can use the service.
Linux users can't use a lot of things natively. That's never stopped them before. And I've seen some of the convoluted work arrounds linux users will go through. Why is the iTMS any different?
That kind of panic isn't very helpful. You should debate each bill on its merits.
Kinda like you should debate each form of DRM and each service on their merits instead of blindly deciding to shit all over them because they don't meet your original demands?
I think that Apple isn't the benevolent benefactor to mankind you make out, and they really want to sell more iPods.
News flash buddy, people do things for personal gain. The whole OSS movement is all about personal gain and feeling good about oneself. The difference is, no one is making money off it.
I dunno, how does the DRM make this song and less valuble to me? It's legal and I can use it for any legal purpose that I like.
iTMS rips are all from teh master recordings
Who said you had to waste a CD. There are a handful of programs that allow you to burn a CD Immage (IOW a virtual CD) and then there's always CDRWs
Well, exactly what do you call a product that takes a stream of decrypted audio and puts it on your HDD?