Isn't the argument about SCO releasing a Linux distribution including the kernel under GPL a loose-loose situation for the GPL community?
I can see two outcomes:
Either the argument is invalid which draws a boarder around the enforceability of GPL.
Otherwise it forces evry commercial distributor of GPL'ed software to make a full code-review of the software to ensure that they don't distribute source the what to keep their rights to
The latter would make the acceptance of GPL as general purpose license even harder.
Debian will probally never be "going the way of the RPM". Debian does support RPM as a pistribution format of binary packages. I have never tried it, though.
One posible future is a united packaging format building on the experiences of both debian-packages and RPM. The dpkg-developers is talking with the rpm-developers now and then.
Packaging formats is just not interesting. Look at RedHat, Suse and Mandrak. They manage to make incompatible distributions even though they share the packaging format. For now RPM is chosen for the standard high-level distribution format, live with it.
After a lot of lurking on lsb-spec/lsb-discuss mailling lists I can't say that I'm surprised about this is discussion. But Debian has no problems with supporting RPM and still use another package format and I can't see why Slackware and Stampede should have more problems.
Yes, it's right that the blurb doesn't mentions anything about RedHat. It doesn't mentions Progeny, Storm, Stampede, SLS or many of the other existing distributions.
If you look at linuxbase.org there is a lot of contributors including Caldera, Redhat, Suse, Mandrake, Metro Link, VA Linux and even the Open Group is mentioned.
Debian does support RPM-packages. "apt-get install rpm" (or even better "apt-get install alien")
As a Debian user I think it would be far better if everyone would just comply with the Debian-policy and use Debian as the base but the world isn't so.
Packaging format isn't just a battle worth fighting just now. And when the time comes I sure that the package format would neither be RPM or deb as we know the formats today.
I think Suse tried to declare themself LSB-compliant a few month ago. But because the standard wasn't finished they got flamed by the other participants in the standard group.
You can't comply to an unfinished standard. But I think the major distributions is close enough to be useable.
The one feature amuses me most about C++ is Templates. Is the Turing completeness of the template language intended or did it just come into existance by adding needed features?
No modern distribution is anywhere near using only GPLed stuff. One big non GPLed entity is XFree86 almost used by everybody, and that doesn't make any distribution any more or any less free.
dpkg and apt will still be GPLed, so making a version of Debian based on a BSDkernel wont make Debian open for comercial takeovers any more than what Corel allready did. The key points of Debian is and will always be GPLed (jugding from the copyrightholders of dpkg and apt.)
I follow the debian-bsd list, but don't do any real work. I havn't a netconnected box for this kind of work so I can't really do anything but moral support and maybe trying to answer some questions
Many has sugested OpenBSD over FreeBSD but those who did the work used FreeBSD and that how it was choosen. I don't know how much the various *BSD has in common, but jsut one BSD port will solve many political questions.
Debian isn't going to stop making Linux anymore than we are going to stop makin i386. In a perfect world (which Debian of course is:-) people shouldn't care which architecture the maintainer of a debain package is using. Autobuilders does a lot of work in Debian. And Debian is still primaly Linux users, some of us is just interested in l;eraning new worlds.
My dream is a distribution where you just do apt-get install freebsd or apt-get install linux to use that kernel. It's my personal dream and it probally not going to happend in the nex few weeks.
I hope that this project could mean better Linux support in FreeBSD (file system, emulation etc.) and also the other way around. the perfect kernel and user space toolkit doesn't exists and exchange of ideas will only be of the benefit of everybody.
then we can only hope this doesn't end in pure flaming
Yes it is. Red Hats letter didn't fill up my quota at uni, VA's did. Some people claims thay stopped sending the prospect and forms attached to the mails, it killed there servers.
I havn't noticed that I get more spam after the Red Hat letter but my address has never been spamfree. If what you says is correct I don't assume it's because I complained to Red Hat about the spam?
I don't care if spam is about "Save 50% on you dentist bill", "God Loves You", "Make money fast" or "Buy our shares and pretend we doing something good for Open source". It all spam. The fact that this may work and I could be tempted to try it out has nothing to do with the spamness of the mail, but as a dane I'm out of the question.
Filtering by domain is just as much worth as filtering by newsgroups where the addresses is ripped from. Posting to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.whatever doesn't mean I'm interested in buying a lot of computergames bye mail. I got the letter through a.net address I didn't know it was legal to spam that.
Spam is spam, and this is just as bad as it is big.
RPM is now used as well by essentially all other distributions except Debian.
Thats not true anymore. Corel, Storm and LibraNet is all based on Debian. I wonder who will make the next "Yet Another Debian Based Distribution"
I've heard about the problems with installing SuSe stuff on a RedHat box. If people doesn't follow Debian Policy they shouldn't make.deb-files, but please use the tools they are great.
No. For one thing their webmaster is only mastering their webserver and not their licensing politics. And please only complain to Corel if they have used you work without permission. The only who can do anything is the singel developer using GPL, FSF as owner of lot of the code and maybe SPI (owners of the Debian copyright) because Corel is using Debians compilation (which also is GPLed)
Think before yelling at Corel, and if you have no direct reason to yell, don't do it.
The patent is only legal in the US and a few european countries. But that's not the whole world.
If I make a GIF in Denmark (where LZW isn't covered by patents) and "export" the GIF to the US - Is that GIF legal or illegal in the US? (For some value af legality)
Not always. Normally I have all right to abandon my rights. By the Danish laws there are only a few rights I can't abandon by a contract Oops, I allready wrote that.
In Denmark the rigth to do reverse enginering is one of the rights you can't abandon. It sounds silly but that kinds of rights exists a few places in the danish copyright laws.
Microsoft knows it and I think they dropped the "no right to reverse engineering"-clause in the danish version of theres EULA.
For those interested danis speaking people, it LBK nr 706 af 29/09/1998 37, find it at www.retsinfo.dk (I hate that site, but don't know any better resource of danish law)
As an active member of the open source community I can't accept spamming. And by sending the attached message to members of the open source community Red Hat has spammed the community.
By sending this spam Red Hat has lost a lot of points in my score book. I have never used Red Hat and after this spam I'm sure I never will. I can't support companies spamming potentiel users.
Please make sure that I'm removed from any spamlist inside RedHat and make sure that I'm not going to enter one again.
I would usual not reply to Cowards, but have you tried to submit stories about BeOS, EPoc, Mac etc? Half the stories just now doesn't mention linux but only other nerdy stuff. ObTopic: I think it's cool that Opera is porting to linux. But I'm happy with Lynx and not going to use it.
I don't care about all this new stuff. I want the old AGI games. I would like to play all these on my linuxbox if I had all my old disks. And there is an interprenter for linux: Sarien
(It just chokes on the cracked Goldrush i tried instead of my broken 5 1/4 inch disk)
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Isn't the argument about SCO releasing a Linux distribution including the kernel under GPL a loose-loose situation for the GPL community?
I can see two outcomes:
The latter would make the acceptance of GPL as general purpose license even harder.
Debian will probally never be "going the way of the RPM". Debian does support RPM as a pistribution format of binary packages. I have never tried it, though.
One posible future is a united packaging format building on the experiences of both debian-packages and RPM. The dpkg-developers is talking with the rpm-developers now and then.
Packaging formats is just not interesting. Look at RedHat, Suse and Mandrak. They manage to make incompatible distributions even though they share the packaging format. For now RPM is chosen for the standard high-level distribution format, live with it.
After a lot of lurking on lsb-spec/lsb-discuss mailling lists I can't say that I'm surprised about this is discussion. But Debian has no problems with supporting RPM and still use another package format and I can't see why Slackware and Stampede should have more problems.
Yes, it's right that the blurb doesn't mentions anything about RedHat. It doesn't mentions Progeny, Storm, Stampede, SLS or many of the other existing distributions.
If you look at linuxbase.org there is a lot of contributors including Caldera, Redhat, Suse, Mandrake, Metro Link, VA Linux and even the Open Group is mentioned.
Debian does support RPM-packages. "apt-get install rpm" (or even better "apt-get install alien")
As a Debian user I think it would be far better if everyone would just comply with the Debian-policy and use Debian as the base but the world isn't so.
Packaging format isn't just a battle worth fighting just now. And when the time comes I sure that the package format would neither be RPM or deb as we know the formats today.
I think Suse tried to declare themself LSB-compliant a few month ago. But because the standard wasn't finished they got flamed by the other participants in the standard group.
You can't comply to an unfinished standard. But I think the major distributions is close enough to be useable.
The one feature amuses me most about C++ is Templates. Is the Turing completeness of the template language intended or did it just come into existance by adding needed features?
(For those interested: Template Metaprograms (by Todd Veldhuizen))
I would vote for somebody making webpages with frames without making noframes sections - and then present themself to me IRL.
The uprunner would probally be the spammer living close to me.
No it's not a threat, it's a fact.
But you still using XFree86, right?
No modern distribution is anywhere near using only GPLed stuff. One big non GPLed entity is XFree86 almost used by everybody, and that doesn't make any distribution any more or any less free.
dpkg and apt will still be GPLed, so making a version of Debian based on a BSDkernel wont make Debian open for comercial takeovers any more than what Corel allready did. The key points of Debian is and will always be GPLed (jugding from the copyrightholders of dpkg and apt.)
I follow the debian-bsd list, but don't do any real work. I havn't a netconnected box for this kind of work so I can't really do anything but moral support and maybe trying to answer some questions
Many has sugested OpenBSD over FreeBSD but those who did the work used FreeBSD and that how it was choosen. I don't know how much the various *BSD has in common, but jsut one BSD port will solve many political questions.
Debian isn't going to stop making Linux anymore than we are going to stop makin i386. In a perfect world (which Debian of course is :-) people shouldn't care which architecture the maintainer of a debain package is using. Autobuilders does a lot of work in Debian. And Debian is still primaly Linux users, some of us is just interested in l;eraning new worlds.
My dream is a distribution where you just do apt-get install freebsd or apt-get install linux to use that kernel. It's my personal dream and it probally not going to happend in the nex few weeks.
I hope that this project could mean better Linux support in FreeBSD (file system, emulation etc.) and also the other way around. the perfect kernel and user space toolkit doesn't exists and exchange of ideas will only be of the benefit of everybody.
then we can only hope this doesn't end in pure flaming
Yes it is. Red Hats letter didn't fill up my quota at uni, VA's did. Some people claims thay stopped sending the prospect and forms attached to the mails, it killed there servers.
I havn't noticed that I get more spam after the Red Hat letter but my address has never been spamfree. If what you says is correct I don't assume it's because I complained to Red Hat about the spam?
I don't care if spam is about "Save 50% on you dentist bill", "God Loves You", "Make money fast" or "Buy our shares and pretend we doing something good for Open source". It all spam. The fact that this may work and I could be tempted to try it out has nothing to do with the spamness of the mail, but as a dane I'm out of the question.
Filtering by domain is just as much worth as filtering by newsgroups where the addresses is ripped from. Posting to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.whatever doesn't mean I'm interested in buying a lot of computergames bye mail. I got the letter through a .net address I didn't know it was legal to spam that.
Spam is spam, and this is just as bad as it is big.
Thats not true anymore. Corel, Storm and LibraNet is all based on Debian. I wonder who will make the next "Yet Another Debian Based Distribution"
I've heard about the problems with installing SuSe stuff on a RedHat box. If people doesn't follow Debian Policy they shouldn't make .deb-files, but please use the tools they are great.
My vote on Thompsons login hack as the number one computerhack in history.
What's the second best hack?
I don't know if a collection is a derived work of all the components. But Corels collection is derived from Debians distribution and that is GPLed.
No. For one thing their webmaster is only mastering their webserver and not their licensing politics. And please only complain to Corel if they have used you work without permission. The only who can do anything is the singel developer using GPL, FSF as owner of lot of the code and maybe SPI (owners of the Debian copyright) because Corel is using Debians compilation (which also is GPLed)
Think before yelling at Corel, and if you have no direct reason to yell, don't do it.
The patent is only legal in the US and a few european countries. But that's not the whole world.
If I make a GIF in Denmark (where LZW isn't covered by patents) and "export" the GIF to the US - Is that GIF legal or illegal in the US?
(For some value af legality)
BTW: Thanks for the follow up.
Not always. Normally I have all right to abandon my rights. By the Danish laws there are only a few rights I can't abandon by a contract
Oops, I allready wrote that.
In Denmark the rigth to do reverse enginering is one of the rights you can't abandon. It sounds silly but that kinds of rights exists a few places in the danish copyright laws.
Microsoft knows it and I think they dropped the "no right to reverse engineering"-clause in the danish version of theres EULA.
For those interested danis speaking people, it LBK nr 706 af 29/09/1998 37, find it at www.retsinfo.dk (I hate that site, but don't know any better resource of danish law)
As an active member of the open source community I can't accept
spamming. And by sending the attached message to members of the open
source community Red Hat has spammed the community.
By sending this spam Red Hat has lost a lot of points in my score
book. I have never used Red Hat and after this spam I'm sure I never
will. I can't support companies spamming potentiel users.
Please make sure that I'm removed from any spamlist inside RedHat and
make sure that I'm not going to enter one again.
I would usual not reply to Cowards, but have you tried to submit stories about BeOS, EPoc, Mac etc?
Half the stories just now doesn't mention linux but only other nerdy stuff.
ObTopic: I think it's cool that Opera is porting to linux. But I'm happy with Lynx and not going to use it.
I don't care about all this new stuff. I want
the old AGI games. I would like to play all
these on my linuxbox if I had all my old disks.
And there is an interprenter for linux:
Sarien
(It just chokes on the cracked Goldrush i tried
instead of my broken 5 1/4 inch disk)