Problem being, that the data isn't 'related' in any sense, and when a user manages to move the data in one column, and then it's out of sync with everything else, they call me up and whine....
is when people use spreadsheets as a 'database', and then they call me up to find out why they can't perform complex searches and manipulations of data....
We used to use Netop, but it still required the member of staff to be watching, rather than helping the kids. Now, we only have to look when we are alerted to it.
Your method wouldn't work here though. Our router will only accept packets from our proxy server, and you would not reach the outside world.
it's not strictly a logger, it monitors the words on screen. we can't follow everything they've typed, we're just alerted when a word that we have defined as warranting further attention appears.
So you've just agreed with me. There are 300 PC's on site, and one member of staff for every thirty. Teachers can't see the screens of all the kids at once, but we have a means too, should we need to. If we see naked ass in the logs, someones in trouble.
yeah, they're called policies, and they are signed by the students, and by the students parents, and they are available for all. When they log on, they are reminded that their actions will be monitored, and they consent to this before they are given access.
we don't log every key stroke. the system see's words on the screen. text in menus, words in documents, etc. if one of these is found in our database, a screenshot is taken. We don't log everything they type. It's not the same as a keylooger, just an example of where similar technology is used, and a good idea.
And when VNC is being used, the icon in the system tray goes black. they can tell when they're being watched. But then, under your way of thinking, security cameras on all entrances to the school are bad as well. I mean, who cares if random strangers come on site?
it doesn't actually catch the key strokes, it catches what's on screen. This includes text in program menus, and text on web pages. if they see.com, we know about it (it isn't this cut and dried obviously). As said before, obfuscation doesn't help if you want to type 'command.com'. c0mm4nd.c0m just doesn't have the same effect....
I take it you're not a parent. Find one who wouldn't be concerned that we offered filter free, non-monitored use of the internet.
If a student starts accessing material of an unsuitable nature, who gets it in the neck? we do. Parents like to know that their children are safe when they are at school.
yes, if those phrases include "i'd like to buy a big bag of your finest columbian heroin please". We have a duty of care, we aren't just going to let them run riot.
Disclaimer: we don't monitor phone lines. We do monitor students actions on the PC's, the internet, and email, for appropriate content. We don't do this by trawling through every one of their files, they are only examined if questionable content is found. It works very well.
we're not trying to read what they're doing, it's frankly of no interest, we're more concerned with *what* they're doing. For example (again) They have no need to ever run a.com file, so if it comes up in the log, i can find out why, and deal with it.
Typ1ng l1k3 7h15 will achieve bugger all if they actually want to use the system...
we actually use something similar in the school i work at. Students are monitored by the logger, if it finds a word or phrase in our database, then a screenshot is sent to us, and we can then watch the student in real time over VNC.
eg. student types in http://192.168.0.1/admin
then we know about it (ficticious example: idea is that the kid is going somewhere he shouldn't).
CENTURION:
What's this, then? 'Romanes Eunt Domus'? 'People called Romanes they go the house'? BRIAN:
It-- it says, 'Romans, go home'. CENTURION:
No, it doesn't. What's Latin for 'Roman'? Come on! BRIAN: Aah! CENTURION: Come on! BRIAN: 'R-- Romanus'? CENTURION: Goes like...? BRIAN: 'Annus'? CENTURION: Vocative plural of 'annus' is...? BRIAN: Eh. 'Anni'? CENTURION: 'Romani'. 'Eunt'? What is 'eunt'? BRIAN: 'Go'. Let-- CENTURION: Conjugate the verb 'to go'. BRIAN: Uh. 'Ire'. Uh, 'eo'. 'Is'. 'It'. 'Imus'. 'Itis'. 'Eunt'. CENTURION: So 'eunt' is...? BRIAN: Ah, huh, third person plural, uh, present indicative. Uh, 'they go'. CENTURION: But 'Romans, go home' is an order, so you must use the...? BRIAN: The... imperative! CENTURION:
Which is...? BRIAN:
Umm! Oh. Oh. Um, 'i'. 'I'! CENTURION:
How many Romans? BRIAN:
Ah! 'I'-- Plural. Plural. 'Ite'. 'Ite'. CENTURION:
'Ite'. BRIAN:
Ah. Eh. CENTURION:
'Domus'? BRIAN:
Eh. CENTURION:
Nominative? BRIAN:
Oh. CENTURION:
'Go home'? This is motion towards. Isn't it, boy? BRIAN:
Ah. Ah, dative, sir! Ahh! No, not dative! Not the dative, sir! No! Ah! Oh, the... accusative! Accusative! Ah! 'Domum', sir! 'Ad domum'! Ah! Oooh! Ah! CENTURION:
Except that 'domus' takes the...? BRIAN:
The locative, sir! CENTURION:
Which is...?! BRIAN:
'Domum'. CENTURION:
'Domum'. BRIAN:
Aaah! Ah. CENTURION:
'Um'. Understand? BRIAN:
Yes, sir. CENTURION:
Now, write it out a hundred times. BRIAN:
Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir. CENTURION:
Hail Caesar. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.
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so i get -1, and the two above me, posted at exectly the same time don't? 'tis a conspiracy :)
Problem being, that the data isn't 'related' in any sense, and when a user manages to move the data in one column, and then it's out of sync with everything else, they call me up and whine....
is when people use spreadsheets as a 'database', and then they call me up to find out why they can't perform complex searches and manipulations of data....
Your method wouldn't work here though. Our router will only accept packets from our proxy server, and you would not reach the outside world.
it still picks it up.
it's not strictly a logger, it monitors the words on screen. we can't follow everything they've typed, we're just alerted when a word that we have defined as warranting further attention appears.
I couldn't see your email, but it's nice to see someone I haven't seen for a long time (CA face). Darxide
if it's in text, we can see it. including menus in software. not pictures though.
So you've just agreed with me. There are 300 PC's on site, and one member of staff for every thirty. Teachers can't see the screens of all the kids at once, but we have a means too, should we need to. If we see naked ass in the logs, someones in trouble.
it was a bl**dy example. stop nitpicking. :)
yeah, they're called policies, and they are signed by the students, and by the students parents, and they are available for all. When they log on, they are reminded that their actions will be monitored, and they consent to this before they are given access.
we don't log every key stroke. the system see's words on the screen. text in menus, words in documents, etc. if one of these is found in our database, a screenshot is taken. We don't log everything they type. It's not the same as a keylooger, just an example of where similar technology is used, and a good idea.
How is preventing 11-18 year olds from accesing hardcore norwegian donkey porn dispicable?!?!?!
And when VNC is being used, the icon in the system tray goes black. they can tell when they're being watched. But then, under your way of thinking, security cameras on all entrances to the school are bad as well. I mean, who cares if random strangers come on site?
it doesn't actually catch the key strokes, it catches what's on screen. This includes text in program menus, and text on web pages. if they see .com, we know about it (it isn't this cut and dried obviously). As said before, obfuscation doesn't help if you want to type 'command.com'. c0mm4nd.c0m just doesn't have the same effect....
BTW, i'm not in the US. We have the right to do this, and we do. It makes for a safer environment. Parents like it, we like it.
If a student starts accessing material of an unsuitable nature, who gets it in the neck? we do. Parents like to know that their children are safe when they are at school.
Disclaimer: we don't monitor phone lines. We do monitor students actions on the PC's, the internet, and email, for appropriate content. We don't do this by trawling through every one of their files, they are only examined if questionable content is found. It works very well.
we're not trying to read what they're doing, it's frankly of no interest, we're more concerned with *what* they're doing. For example (again) They have no need to ever run a .com file, so if it comes up in the log, i can find out why, and deal with it.
Typ1ng l1k3 7h15 will achieve bugger all if they actually want to use the system...
eg. student types in http://192.168.0.1/admin then we know about it (ficticious example: idea is that the kid is going somewhere he shouldn't).
CENTURION:
What's this, then? 'Romanes Eunt Domus'? 'People called Romanes they go the house'?
BRIAN:
It-- it says, 'Romans, go home'.
CENTURION:
No, it doesn't. What's Latin for 'Roman'? Come on!
BRIAN: Aah!
CENTURION: Come on!
BRIAN: 'R-- Romanus'?
CENTURION: Goes like...?
BRIAN: 'Annus'?
CENTURION: Vocative plural of 'annus' is...?
BRIAN: Eh. 'Anni'?
CENTURION: 'Romani'. 'Eunt'? What is 'eunt'?
BRIAN: 'Go'. Let--
CENTURION: Conjugate the verb 'to go'.
BRIAN: Uh. 'Ire'. Uh, 'eo'. 'Is'. 'It'. 'Imus'. 'Itis'. 'Eunt'.
CENTURION: So 'eunt' is...?
BRIAN: Ah, huh, third person plural, uh, present indicative. Uh, 'they go'.
CENTURION: But 'Romans, go home' is an order, so you must use the...?
BRIAN: The... imperative!
CENTURION:
Which is...?
BRIAN:
Umm! Oh. Oh. Um, 'i'. 'I'!
CENTURION:
How many Romans?
BRIAN:
Ah! 'I'-- Plural. Plural. 'Ite'. 'Ite'.
CENTURION:
'Ite'.
BRIAN:
Ah. Eh.
CENTURION:
'Domus'?
BRIAN:
Eh.
CENTURION:
Nominative?
BRIAN:
Oh.
CENTURION:
'Go home'? This is motion towards. Isn't it, boy?
BRIAN:
Ah. Ah, dative, sir! Ahh! No, not dative! Not the dative, sir! No! Ah! Oh, the... accusative! Accusative! Ah! 'Domum', sir! 'Ad domum'! Ah! Oooh! Ah!
CENTURION:
Except that 'domus' takes the...?
BRIAN:
The locative, sir!
CENTURION:
Which is...?!
BRIAN:
'Domum'.
CENTURION:
'Domum'.
BRIAN:
Aaah! Ah.
CENTURION:
'Um'. Understand?
BRIAN:
Yes, sir.
CENTURION:
Now, write it out a hundred times.
BRIAN:
Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
CENTURION:
Hail Caesar. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.
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stupid lamesness filter.grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
best. quote. ever.
and the wine....
Or the family, or the current copyright holder....
I'd say it's only legal if the site is paying royalties....