No - the actual development language it was written in. It was some crossplatform code in which a significant number of functions was written in some custom interpreted language.
Actually Microsoft plans on bundling VPC with Office as a kind of "high end" version.
One can't help but wonder if it will use some of VPC's functions to help port software.
Doesn't MS-Word actually already run in a semi-interpreted Java-like language they developed back in the early 90's? I seem to recall something like that. Of course I think that Mac Zealot's complaints about MS-Word are vastly overstated. Especially when one compares to to the horrible status of AppleWorks which is a half-hearted carbon port and which still has lots of Sys9 elements to it. Yeah I'd like more OSX interface features like the font choser in Word. But its still vastly superior to any other choices on OSX.
One thing for OSX users to keep in mind is that iDVD will only work with the Apple drives. However the Apple drives are actually Pioneer drives. So if you want to buy a DVD writer and use the rather nice iDVD you should get a Pioneer DVR-103 or DVR-104.
It's a tool intended to destroy copyright from within.
Your complaints against the word "viral" would hold a lot more if you didn't then go and describe the GPL using language that describes how viruses work and kill things. . .
Yeah, unintentional, I know. But that's why people use the word "viral." It is these subtle things most people aren't that familiar with that makes GPL so insidious. Perhaps Slashdot readers are familiar with the endless debates over GPL. However not everyone is. When some manager finds these things out.
I agree with those who say it is the users duty to read the license restrictions. But realize that those who then reject GPL software likely are doing it because they don't want this "anti-copyright" virus. If some do and see some benefit from the virus, more power to them. Lots of things that are negative to some are positive to others.
The virus metaphor is so apt because what uses the GPL code is "contaminated" in a way that most libraries don't do. I'm all for open software, but prefer licenses like BSD's which doesn't have these hidden anti-capitalist or anti-copyright policies.
I had a friend who built a LOX rocket and just went to the local air force base to ask permission to fire it there. (In Utah there is plenty of air force land) They gave it to him without much difficulty. That was about six or eight years ago, so things may well have changed. But my understanding is that you can get permission for these sorts of things if you ask around.
Now all the poor bastards on the east coast may find it more problematic...
WebCore isn't QT. It may share a bit of code, but it is different. The earlier version of QT did have its own widgets. However QT/Mac released last week uses Carbon widgets. It's true it doesn't use Cocoa though.
Apple has ALWAYS been hostile to third parties, especially when they get into an area where Apple wants all the money, or where they do something far better than Apple. They squashed that company that made Apple Clones (I cant even remember their name anymore), they squashed tons of companies which were selling Apple hardware (gotta make those Apple stores profitable, after all), and notice that hardly anybody makes third-party Apple hardware anymore, unless they have some kind of special arrangement with Apple (Im thinking kickbacks).
I must disagree. The clone decision was the realization that they'd not make enough with the clones and that an exceedingly important portion of their profits came from hardware. I'm not convinced it was the right decision. But it is an understandable decision. I'm sure IBM wishes there'd not been PC clones.
However for software, I simply don't see what you suggest. If anything the problem with Apple has been relatively crappy competition until recently. Yeah there was Appleworks / Clarisworks. But that was a half-finished product they bought outright. And, until that horrid OSX port, it was by far the best "works" program available on any platform.
Filemaker came into a pre-existing market and succeeded because it was an excellent program and not due to any "hostility." (4D was an is still around) FCP was bought from Macromedia when they didn't focus on it. It was Apple trying to keep up competition. I think Safari came out because they were worried about Microsoft. (Not to kill Camino)
I just don't see this 3rd party hostility. The only case that could be made was Watson. However that was a program already competing with Sherlock. Apple just improved Sherlock and then offered the guy a job. I can understand him being pissed, but when you compete with something already in the system...
Beyond that the only thing I can think of is iTune, which was bought from Cassidy & Green and then improved and the upcoming inclusion of better font support. That sucks if you write Suitcase - but lets be honest. That program sucks and this is a feature OSX 10.0 should have had!
Apple's always been a tad schizophrenic towards their developers. With Cocoa this is changing as they not only provide APIs they provide reasonably nice class libraries. But let's be honest. Had it not been for Codewarrior and Powerplant Apple would have been in a hell of hurt long ago.
Apple used to be famous for having technologies that were notoriously difficult to use and one was never sure of their commitment to the technology. (OpenDoc, QuickdrawGX, etc.) They've certainly improved a lot, but they still have a ways to go. But I'm very happy with the direction they've headed. They also seem more open to opening up things to developers - witness the webcore that any devloper can call. (Basically the "guts" of Safari) One hopes they may do this with their iLife programs - make significant chunks available for reuse by developers.
Having said that though we have to wait and see if XCode really does improve their compiler tools. Right now I think for many developers Codewarrior is still far superior to ProjectBuilder. And Codewarrior hasn't had a significant update to the IDE for some time. . . Further they are controlled by the malaise that is Motorola. They are supposed to have a new release this September, but I've not heard much buzz about it.
If you compare development on the Mac with development on the PC with Visual Studio, C++ Builder, Delphi, and so forth, there simply are better options for the PC. (Even if you hate Borland tools, they fit a niche that I don't think Interface Builder does)
But things definitely are improving. OSX is much more mature now and Panther looks to be great. Here's hoping that the tools and resources Apple has for developers improves as well...
Actually initial reviews are surprisingly good. I don't trust reviews by "fanboys" myself. (Hell, far too many said that T3, Daredevil, and Blade II were good). Still I think I'm more excited for this than I am for any movie since Matrix II.
Actually I'm more excited for the new Pirates of the Carribean movie. That looks like it may live up to what all the other movies this year have been trying to do and failing miserably. (Actually I liked Matrix: Reloaded - but it still wasn't nearly as good as I'd hoped for)
However KaZaa has really gone down hill, mainly because of studio action. Most songs I try and download are "tweaked" with yelling in the middle or beeping or are of the wrong sound. It really isn't a good place to find music.
I personally use Direct Connect. You can find a hub with the style of music you like and are more likely to find obscure music. (i.e. blues, jazz, etc.) Further it has a much better selection of TV shows if you are trying to find a show you missed that week. The Mac client is still so-so, but they fixed the memory leaks of the version from the fall.
By the way, Acrobat sucks pretty bad on OS X. Most people use Preview instead of Reader.
Um...what? Apple's PDF generator makes rather bloated PDFs compared to Acrobate and doesn't do half the things that Acrobat does. Further Preview is very slow at rendering PDFs. I've heard that the new Preview in Panther screams, but that's a few months away. But go to any Mac forum and search for threads about Preview and PDFs. There is probably more griping about that program outside of any other program other than the Finder. Acrobat 6 for the Mac is rather nice and is a big improvement over Acrobat 5. The only complaint is that they used questionable XP styled icons in the toolbar. (i.e. pastel colors, a floppy disk as the icon for "save", etc.)
I don't know that I'd call Premiere a flagship product considering how long it has been since it was upgraded. Further, why did you leave Illustrator off that list? Not to mention InDesign. While I'm not sure this is a good move by Adobe, it seems they still have strong committment for the other products. Considering the Premiere was a full rewrite, they probably started it about two or three years ago when hardware wise Apple was falling behind and it wasn't clearly how the OSX transition would go. So it is understandable.
However InDesign, Acrobat, and Photoshop all have very nice Mac ports. (OK, I hate the XP icons used in the OSX Acrobat - but that's minor) Given the new G5 I'm not worried.
As for the Gimp, it really has a horrible UI. For Mac users who don't want Photoshop I think that GraphicsConverter is a much better program. But saying that people will switch to Gimp because Premiere wasn't ported seems a tad. ..odd.
Isn't Cinelerra written with QT? If so then the recent QT/Mac release might mean that porting it to native OSX with Aqua wouldn't be that hard. That doesn't mean they will do this. But in theory it could be done.
Actually I program for a living and I tried to move to Project Builder but their rather horrible debugger kept me from doing so. I use Visual Studio because for the type of code my company does it does a better job than any other IDE I've used.
I wanted to use Project Builder but it isn't there yet. I've discussed issues with a lot of people using the XCode beta and it appears that the fundamental issues with the debugger have not yet been resolved - sadly. I'd love to switch to OSX. But I can't. And yes, I am a ADC member - but ADC doesn't do what MSDN does - I get Office and quite a bit of other software for free. MS really does treat their developers well. Apple is getting better - especially after the dark ages of the 90's. But they still have a ways to go to be in the ballpark of MS.
The big deal with the Athalon will be the upcoming Athalon-64 which will likely compete more with the G5. From everything I've seen the Opteron is already much faster than the G5. Intel, I don't know what they are going to do. Certainly the P4 will continue to improve. I've heard some exciting things about upcoming chips but the Itanium clearly isn't aiming at the same market as Apple or AMD. (Well, some overlap, but I think Apple has more work to do to get the workstation/server market)
Saying that the CLI would die when the old timers die because of the GUI is like saying books will disappear when those folks from before TVs die off. Each has their place.
Now I think that in some ways Apple is still a little too dependent upon the CLI in OSX. Lots of things don't have a GUI that should. But that doesn't mean the CLI isn't welcome. After Sys9, having a full sophisticated CLI is a dream. Further with Applescript integrating the two is possible in a way not dreamt of in Windows or Linux. (Although VB for Applications helps on the Windows platform)
Regarding gdb though, Apple's interface to it is weak. Further there are so many problems with Apple's visual debugger that it isn't even funny. I'm not surprised that some drop down to the more CLI version of gdb.
The problem is that while that is fine for certain kinds of debugging, many people need nice persistent watch variables. Unfortunately those who've use Xcode say that this hasn't been improved.
If you are paying $3000 for.net you got royally screwed.
Further, as I've discussed on other forums, the debugger for Project Builder sucks. There are many other IDE problems.
I disagree about Interface Builder being the best GUI on the planet. While clearly there are design philosophy differences between IB, C++ Builder, and VB.net/C# I'm not sure that IB is superior for RAD applications. Of course it depends upon what you are doing with it. But at the moment, while I'm very impressed with obj-c and their class library, I think overall it still trails Microsoft and Borland's offerings.
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I thought Ockham was talking about not multiplying metaphysical entities unnecessarily. While related to simplicity, it isn't really the same thing.
There are strong rumors being reported at the standard Mac rumor sites that IBM is porting their Visual Age compilers, including their Fortran compiler. This can only be good news since the one place Apple continues to trail the Windows platform is in compilers/IDEs. Both Project Builder and Codewarrior are behind the curve compared to Visual Studio.
Yes I know about XCode. But thus far I've not seen that XCode solves the serious problems in debugging C++ code in Project Builder. I'm hopeful it does and that the gcc compiler gets more optimizations in it between now and September. But I'm not counting on it. And yes I know there is a new Codewarrior rumored to be out in September. But given the general malaise that is Motorola, I'm not sure it will surpass XCode or even play catchup with Microsoft. (Which is very sad - Codewarrior was very cutting edge back when it was released)
Total mass is about 1% of Earth's - do you think we're anywhere close to having mining/explosives technology that could effect anything on that order?
But, but, but on Space 1999 they blew up their nuclear fuel depot and sent the moon out of the solar system so fast that it ended passing by many other solar systems!
Just in case anyone is still reading this, the Quake stuff was discussed over at ARS. Sounds like the Apple bench was legit - as were the others although one might debate the gcc compiler.
Other benches on After Effects and other programs are coming out that show that the G5 running G4 code blows away the Xeon. We can only expect things to improve with recompiled and reoptimized code.
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As that post mentioned, Apple and IBM have the option of doing a fork. I'd personally be very surprised were Apple to not in the end do this.
No - the actual development language it was written in. It was some crossplatform code in which a significant number of functions was written in some custom interpreted language.
No drag and drop between it and Mac applications
No Aqua interface
No cut and paste of graphics between it and non-X11 OSX apps
No Applescript
etc.
One can't help but wonder if it will use some of VPC's functions to help port software.
Doesn't MS-Word actually already run in a semi-interpreted Java-like language they developed back in the early 90's? I seem to recall something like that. Of course I think that Mac Zealot's complaints about MS-Word are vastly overstated. Especially when one compares to to the horrible status of AppleWorks which is a half-hearted carbon port and which still has lots of Sys9 elements to it. Yeah I'd like more OSX interface features like the font choser in Word. But its still vastly superior to any other choices on OSX.
One thing for OSX users to keep in mind is that iDVD will only work with the Apple drives. However the Apple drives are actually Pioneer drives. So if you want to buy a DVD writer and use the rather nice iDVD you should get a Pioneer DVR-103 or DVR-104.
Your complaints against the word "viral" would hold a lot more if you didn't then go and describe the GPL using language that describes how viruses work and kill things. . .
Yeah, unintentional, I know. But that's why people use the word "viral." It is these subtle things most people aren't that familiar with that makes GPL so insidious. Perhaps Slashdot readers are familiar with the endless debates over GPL. However not everyone is. When some manager finds these things out.
I agree with those who say it is the users duty to read the license restrictions. But realize that those who then reject GPL software likely are doing it because they don't want this "anti-copyright" virus. If some do and see some benefit from the virus, more power to them. Lots of things that are negative to some are positive to others.
The virus metaphor is so apt because what uses the GPL code is "contaminated" in a way that most libraries don't do. I'm all for open software, but prefer licenses like BSD's which doesn't have these hidden anti-capitalist or anti-copyright policies.
Now all the poor bastards on the east coast may find it more problematic...
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However for software, I simply don't see what you suggest. If anything the problem with Apple has been relatively crappy competition until recently. Yeah there was Appleworks / Clarisworks. But that was a half-finished product they bought outright. And, until that horrid OSX port, it was by far the best "works" program available on any platform.
Filemaker came into a pre-existing market and succeeded because it was an excellent program and not due to any "hostility." (4D was an is still around) FCP was bought from Macromedia when they didn't focus on it. It was Apple trying to keep up competition. I think Safari came out because they were worried about Microsoft. (Not to kill Camino)
I just don't see this 3rd party hostility. The only case that could be made was Watson. However that was a program already competing with Sherlock. Apple just improved Sherlock and then offered the guy a job. I can understand him being pissed, but when you compete with something already in the system...
Beyond that the only thing I can think of is iTune, which was bought from Cassidy & Green and then improved and the upcoming inclusion of better font support. That sucks if you write Suitcase - but lets be honest. That program sucks and this is a feature OSX 10.0 should have had!
Apple used to be famous for having technologies that were notoriously difficult to use and one was never sure of their commitment to the technology. (OpenDoc, QuickdrawGX, etc.) They've certainly improved a lot, but they still have a ways to go. But I'm very happy with the direction they've headed. They also seem more open to opening up things to developers - witness the webcore that any devloper can call. (Basically the "guts" of Safari) One hopes they may do this with their iLife programs - make significant chunks available for reuse by developers.
Having said that though we have to wait and see if XCode really does improve their compiler tools. Right now I think for many developers Codewarrior is still far superior to ProjectBuilder. And Codewarrior hasn't had a significant update to the IDE for some time. . . Further they are controlled by the malaise that is Motorola. They are supposed to have a new release this September, but I've not heard much buzz about it.
If you compare development on the Mac with development on the PC with Visual Studio, C++ Builder, Delphi, and so forth, there simply are better options for the PC. (Even if you hate Borland tools, they fit a niche that I don't think Interface Builder does)
But things definitely are improving. OSX is much more mature now and Panther looks to be great. Here's hoping that the tools and resources Apple has for developers improves as well...
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Actually I'm more excited for the new Pirates of the Carribean movie. That looks like it may live up to what all the other movies this year have been trying to do and failing miserably. (Actually I liked Matrix: Reloaded - but it still wasn't nearly as good as I'd hoped for)
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However KaZaa has really gone down hill, mainly because of studio action. Most songs I try and download are "tweaked" with yelling in the middle or beeping or are of the wrong sound. It really isn't a good place to find music.
I personally use Direct Connect. You can find a hub with the style of music you like and are more likely to find obscure music. (i.e. blues, jazz, etc.) Further it has a much better selection of TV shows if you are trying to find a show you missed that week. The Mac client is still so-so, but they fixed the memory leaks of the version from the fall.
Um...what? Apple's PDF generator makes rather bloated PDFs compared to Acrobate and doesn't do half the things that Acrobat does. Further Preview is very slow at rendering PDFs. I've heard that the new Preview in Panther screams, but that's a few months away. But go to any Mac forum and search for threads about Preview and PDFs. There is probably more griping about that program outside of any other program other than the Finder. Acrobat 6 for the Mac is rather nice and is a big improvement over Acrobat 5. The only complaint is that they used questionable XP styled icons in the toolbar. (i.e. pastel colors, a floppy disk as the icon for "save", etc.)
However InDesign, Acrobat, and Photoshop all have very nice Mac ports. (OK, I hate the XP icons used in the OSX Acrobat - but that's minor) Given the new G5 I'm not worried.
As for the Gimp, it really has a horrible UI. For Mac users who don't want Photoshop I think that GraphicsConverter is a much better program. But saying that people will switch to Gimp because Premiere wasn't ported seems a tad. . .odd.
Whoops. My bad. I was thinking of Duboi.
Isn't Cinelerra written with QT? If so then the recent QT/Mac release might mean that porting it to native OSX with Aqua wouldn't be that hard. That doesn't mean they will do this. But in theory it could be done.
I wanted to use Project Builder but it isn't there yet. I've discussed issues with a lot of people using the XCode beta and it appears that the fundamental issues with the debugger have not yet been resolved - sadly. I'd love to switch to OSX. But I can't. And yes, I am a ADC member - but ADC doesn't do what MSDN does - I get Office and quite a bit of other software for free. MS really does treat their developers well. Apple is getting better - especially after the dark ages of the 90's. But they still have a ways to go to be in the ballpark of MS.
The big deal with the Athalon will be the upcoming Athalon-64 which will likely compete more with the G5. From everything I've seen the Opteron is already much faster than the G5. Intel, I don't know what they are going to do. Certainly the P4 will continue to improve. I've heard some exciting things about upcoming chips but the Itanium clearly isn't aiming at the same market as Apple or AMD. (Well, some overlap, but I think Apple has more work to do to get the workstation/server market)
Why do you need the Enterprise Edition? I subscribed to MSDN and got Visual Studio along with quite a bit more software.
Now I think that in some ways Apple is still a little too dependent upon the CLI in OSX. Lots of things don't have a GUI that should. But that doesn't mean the CLI isn't welcome. After Sys9, having a full sophisticated CLI is a dream. Further with Applescript integrating the two is possible in a way not dreamt of in Windows or Linux. (Although VB for Applications helps on the Windows platform)
Regarding gdb though, Apple's interface to it is weak. Further there are so many problems with Apple's visual debugger that it isn't even funny. I'm not surprised that some drop down to the more CLI version of gdb.
The problem is that while that is fine for certain kinds of debugging, many people need nice persistent watch variables. Unfortunately those who've use Xcode say that this hasn't been improved.
Further, as I've discussed on other forums, the debugger for Project Builder sucks. There are many other IDE problems.
I disagree about Interface Builder being the best GUI on the planet. While clearly there are design philosophy differences between IB, C++ Builder, and VB.net/C# I'm not sure that IB is superior for RAD applications. Of course it depends upon what you are doing with it. But at the moment, while I'm very impressed with obj-c and their class library, I think overall it still trails Microsoft and Borland's offerings.
I thought Ockham was talking about not multiplying metaphysical entities unnecessarily. While related to simplicity, it isn't really the same thing.
Yes I know about XCode. But thus far I've not seen that XCode solves the serious problems in debugging C++ code in Project Builder. I'm hopeful it does and that the gcc compiler gets more optimizations in it between now and September. But I'm not counting on it. And yes I know there is a new Codewarrior rumored to be out in September. But given the general malaise that is Motorola, I'm not sure it will surpass XCode or even play catchup with Microsoft. (Which is very sad - Codewarrior was very cutting edge back when it was released)
But, but, but on Space 1999 they blew up their nuclear fuel depot and sent the moon out of the solar system so fast that it ended passing by many other solar systems!
Ars Discussion (See towards the end of the page)
Other benches on After Effects and other programs are coming out that show that the G5 running G4 code blows away the Xeon. We can only expect things to improve with recompiled and reoptimized code.