I'd love to try XCode, but it was given out at the developers conference but isn't available for download yet. (Although a beta of gcc 3.3 is, but some people have had problems with it)
BTW - I'd be very surprised if 20% of computers are Macs. Very surprised.
I think Apple might increase market share if their prices on the low end G5's were a few hundred cheaper. The price for the dual was very competitive. The price for the 1.6 and 1.8 were not nearly as competitive. Perhaps that's just some cashing in on all the immediate sales by Mac users who've been waiting for the G5's. That partially why I'm waiting for the second generation.
What. Why the hell was I listed as a troll. What, did you miss the benchmark on Quake? And what are you saying about chip not released yet? The P4 has been out for quite some time! There's a troll here. But it sure ain't me!
All I did is point out that the Apple rep didn't mention the Quake benchmark which is *way* off for the P4.
Here are some regular PC scores that bear no resemblance to what Apple quoted
Now since you so clearly know me a troll quoting stats on an unreleased box, please inform me where Apple got their stats here. I wanted to hear it from the Apple rep because I thought he gave a fairly good response to the Spec issue. I still think it somewhat misleading, but nowhere near as bad as what PC zealots were claiming.
For the record I think OSX a vastly superior OSX to either Linux or WinXP. If they improve the Finder as much as it appears I'll be a very happy camper.
But troll? Come on. Asking very reasonably questions is not trolling.
Has the Mathematica program been listed anywhere? What about the Photoshop test or some of the other applications test? I'd feel much better if the program Mathematica ran was available for download. Same with the graphics/filters used in Photoshop.
And, as I mentioned below, the most egregious benchmark, the Quake one, wasn't mentioned at all. Yet independent tests had P4's running that benchmark at nearly double the quoted speed.
I can understand focusing on the benchmarks quoted on Apple's site. However there was a lot more done during the keynote that he conspicuously didn't mention.
Unfortunately the more egregious benchmark was the Quake benchmark. I'd have liked to have heard about that one. Th
Further I notice he didn't mention the problem of not doing comparisions to AMD.
While I can understand his reasoning, the fact is that most software on the PC runs under VC or Intel's compiler. It doesn't run under gcc. The benchmark might be a fair Linux/OSX comparison but implies something about Windows/OSX that is incorrect.
I'd also like to see the tests done under Mathematica and Photoshop discussed more. Apple's had a history with photoshop so there is prima facie reasons to distrust it. But the Mathematica test, which seemed the most exciting to me, is what I'd really like to see.
Realistically though the tools for Apple, including graphics drivers, are all very beta. So we should see improvements with time. And realistically benchmarks are typically kind of deceiving as an indicator of real world performance.
So any word on these other questions?
PS - I love OSX and would love to make a Mac my primary machine. If only Project Builder was up to the task so I could abandon Visual Studio. But I am excited about the G5, but I think Apple's "questionable" tactics have brought a lot of unfavorable press that more honesty would have avoided. Personally I think being within 10% - 15% of the top end PC would have been fine.
The problem with minimum fonts being removed is that when they shifted to 72 dpi instead of 96 dpi it now makes small fonts illegible. There are a half dozen sites this happens on. They should have at least provided an option for minimum font size for those of us who don't visit the sites that minimum font screwed up.
Actually I've tried to go Linux several times - typically after Linux users have said, "no, this is the distro that will do it." Unfortunately all too ofter there isn't a GUI for doing things. You end up doing endless searching on the internet or buying an O'Reilly book.
I tried to go Linux for my PC box. But I wanted it to be a NAT server for my Mac. After spending an afternoon trying to get it to work I simply installed XP and had it working in 10 minutes.
I've tried OpenOffice, Abiword and others as well. But it just doesn't do what I want. And yes, I've found many documents it doesn't open right.
Gimp has a crappy UI in my opinion. (And yeah I have it on my system - but I prefer GraphicsConverter or Photoshop for my Graphics) For vector graphics I simply haven't found anything that is that good. On the Mac for simple stuff OmniGraffle is simply amazing. Illustrator is there for when I need it.
Mail.app works great for me for mail. The only complaint I have is that it doesn't support full HTML mail but that is apparently changing. I have Entourage as well but liked Mail better. I tried the mail app that came with Gnome but simply didn't like it. Your milage may vary.
The chip problems Apple had really were hamstringing them. So for the last year and a half Apple hasn't been able to increase market share. Now they can start to go after the high end more (better profits) as well as hitting the low end to increase marketshare.
While Linux is making strides (check out Ximian) it still has a long way to go. It really depends upon how it is to be used. But realistically the "regular folk" will not be using Linux for several reasons.
1. Much missing software. (Office, Photoshop, etc). Some of these have Linux equivalents but they really aren't the same. i.e. no graphics professional would use Gimp instead of Photoshop. There isn't an equivalent of Illustrator or Freehand. OpenOffice is still very limited in opening up Excel and Word files. (And is clunkier in my opinion)
2. Too much configuration. It is hard for Slashdot folks to realize, but keeping Linux up to date and configuring it is a royal pain in the ass. I consider myself computer savvy and I still have problems with Linux all too often!
Compare this to the Mac. Everything works the way you expect it. Plus you do get nearly everything that Linux provides. So it really is the best of both worlds. The only downside is that the hardware ends up being a couple hundred more than an equivalent PC system. And if you roll your own box (which most can't) then the price difference is even higher. That's a big deal to many people.
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I personally think the rewritten Finder and open/save dialogs alone is worth $129!
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Nope. Only the top of the line one is. Which is weird given the pricing. Something seems off.
This is one of the most exciting things announced. I was reading the keynote over at ARS so I didn't see if they demoed the new Apple compiler or Codewarrior. I've been rather disappointed with the IDE on both. (Especially compared to Visual Studio) Still this sounds like a kick ass feature. I'd really like to switch to a Mac as my primary system. But the compilers have really limited me here.
It's the idea that corporations are in effect private governments. They don't want wnat liberals want. Liberals want collusion between corporations and government as well - just that they want more public control over the corporations.
Right now corporations are primarily controlled by small groups whose "vote" depends upon investment. Liberals want one vote per person type of democracy that corporations are pretty much antithical to.
That's really the question. One vote per person for *everything* or should something be voted upon by interest or productivity?
I may well be incorrect, but I seem to recall that the problem was that many of the American steel mills were simply not well designed. The ones using newer designs *can* compete. The problem is that those which can't get no aid.
The complaints against Canada are typically that socialized medicine and so forth lower costs. I suppose that is true to an extent. But, as someone else mentioned, the large number of easily accessable trees also does.
There never is a truly level playing field. Complaining about that and then asking for tarriffs is akin to asking that the kid in class who gets all the A's ought to be penalized a few points because the rest aren't as smart.
Don't get me wrong. There are times when tarrifs are appropriate. But thus far the US isn't doing too well with the WTO.
Now if only the transition to Perl 5.8 went as smooth...
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Personally I wouldn't be at all surprised if during the next two years IBM has a licensed version of OSX.
So while I doubt a free for all clone licensing that lets other companies be parasitic on Apple's advertising and research, I can see there being "clones."
Just to be clear. I'm not saying SCO is a "con-artist" or doing improper act legally. However the ethics of what they are doing are certainly questionable even if it is acceptable.
Many would argue that ethically ones business should be focused on production, not earning money without producing.
Utah Valley, which is a very high tech neighborhood, is still in a pretty bad recession. But many people are still doing well. (We're doing great) The economy is showing definite signs of recovery.
One big problem was that while we had both Novell and Wordperfect, among others, there were some horrible management brought in. Both companies were run pretty incompetnently.
I don't know that the typical denizen of the San Francisco area would enjoy Utah Valley. It is about as conservative as San Fran is liberal. But it is a beautiful, albeit hot place. Lots of outdoor rec. Night life has improved dramatically, especially given the Olympics. Housing costs have been increasing, but are still well below what you find in California. There is a bit of resentment towards California, but no more so than any of the other western states which had a large influx of Californians the past 8 years.
If there is a problem in Utah that could have bearing on the case it is that there is a definite minority of "get rich quick" schemers. There are purportedly more entrepeneurs per capita in Utah than any place else. However some of those people cut corners. I don't think those people are representative of Utah and especially not Mormons. But they are there and tend to be the ones who get noticed. Mormons are trusting, especially of other Mormons. So it is easy for these neo-con artists to do well. Lots of white collar crime in Utah.
While what SCO is doing isn't a crime, it is certainly in keeping with that particularly distressing underbelly of Utah. As such the actions of the CEO certainly aren't that unusually. (Sadly)
Be aware however that Mormons do not think much of such people. They are often referred to as living in "tall and spacious buildings." (A prophecy in the Book of Mormon referring to those who are prideful and ignore their religious commitments to succeed in the world) But they are there and do live in big houses on the sides of the mountains. And, unfortunately, a lot of them made their dough in questionable business deals in the computer industry.
I suspect he is confusing the Utah suicide rate with the Mormon rate. The intermountain west, which includes many Mormons, does have high depression and suicide rates.
I know this is slightly off topic. But it is better than those Kharma whores who go back to the older news on SCO and paste in verbatium earliers +5 scored posts. Anyway, I have Kharma to burn.
Here's a link to a discussion of the article you mentioned:
One more thing I didn't see anyone mention. Besides the "chunks" in the ice cream being smaller, it seems like as the Nitrogen evaporates it makes the ice cream very fluffy. Almost like soft ice cream. It's hard to explain. It has a very different texture. I like it a lot better than stuff made in a regular churn and much better than anything you could buy in the store.
Now if there were only an easy way to get nitrogen now that I don't work in a lab.
You implies that Mormons are favored by judges in Utah. i.e. that Mormons can't be impartial judges. You implied that the present president of SCO was Mormon and thus would get special treatment in Utah. How am I supposed to take that?
How is that different from folks back when JFK ran for President implying he was beholden to Catholic pressure.
Ah, the good old days at Los Alamos. We used to get spare containers of liquid nitrogen and have big ice cream parties.
Tips (haven't read the article yet, so some of these might be redundant) -
- make sure you have good ventilation.
Nitrogen can fill the room and will push out the good air.
- don't use a regular blender.
Unless you have a heavy duty egg beater the nitrogen will be freezing the ice cream mix so fast that you'll bust the motor. Use a heavy duty one and then switch over to a large metal spoon.
- good ingredents count.
Use good cream. Add powdered milk for the extra protein. (I like adding a little bit of high quality protein that I use while working out) We used fresh dates, strawberries or whatever. If you use vanilla don't use that crappy stuff. Good vanilla is well worth the price - sort of like good basalmic vinegar. Once you've had the real deal the stuff supermarkets sell tastes like crap.
- Invite a bunch of friends.
It's a great party. Do the typical physics/chemistry tricks with the remaining liquid nitrogen. The shattering tomatoe or fake hand in the nitrogen tricks are always classics.
The advantage to context menus is that you don't have to mouse all the way to the top of the screen to access a menu to do something. Thus there is less movement. Further there is a visual clue since it is an object you are clicking on. Right clicking or Ctrl-clicking provides a list of actions you can do with that object. Since there is a menu, this clearly is visual.
While you may not like context menus clearly many people do, just as they like scroll wheels. Don't make the rest of us suffer because of your preferences.
It's not stupid to complain about how badly implemented a feature of the Finder is. Sometimes it is better to leave something off than do a half-assed job of it. If you implement a feature then you are responsible for how that implementation is done. And the fact is that, as with so many things in the Finder, a little forethought in programming could offer a huge speed increase. As I mentioned a little caching could dramatically improve the speed of the context menu.
As for your complaint about context menus in the Finder but not open/close dialogs, I agree that is a problem. I'm confused at how you see this a problem with context menus and not the poor programing of the team who does open/close dialgos. As for why clicking on the desktop and an empty space in a window is different. Obviously (and visually) they are different objects.
As for the rumor about the Nautilus team, what is your source that it isn't true? It's been widely reported. Further I am very sure that Pavel Cisler who worked on both Nautilus and the BeOS tracker is working on the Finder.
As for "everybody else uses it and has no complaints to speak of." Have you visited any OSX forums?!?!? The Finder is griped about more than all else in OSX combined.
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BTW - I'd be very surprised if 20% of computers are Macs. Very surprised.
I think Apple might increase market share if their prices on the low end G5's were a few hundred cheaper. The price for the dual was very competitive. The price for the 1.6 and 1.8 were not nearly as competitive. Perhaps that's just some cashing in on all the immediate sales by Mac users who've been waiting for the G5's. That partially why I'm waiting for the second generation.
All I did is point out that the Apple rep didn't mention the Quake benchmark which is *way* off for the P4.
Here are some regular PC scores that bear no resemblance to what Apple quoted
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Now this has been widely reported. So I *know* you don't think me a troll just because I was curious why the Apple rep didn't mention these stats.
A 3GHZ P4 (which has been out for a while) scored 385.6 fps. According to Apple's website it is 275. That is a *huge* difference.
Apple Bench
Now since you so clearly know me a troll quoting stats on an unreleased box, please inform me where Apple got their stats here. I wanted to hear it from the Apple rep because I thought he gave a fairly good response to the Spec issue. I still think it somewhat misleading, but nowhere near as bad as what PC zealots were claiming.
For the record I think OSX a vastly superior OSX to either Linux or WinXP. If they improve the Finder as much as it appears I'll be a very happy camper.
But troll? Come on. Asking very reasonably questions is not trolling.
And, as I mentioned below, the most egregious benchmark, the Quake one, wasn't mentioned at all. Yet independent tests had P4's running that benchmark at nearly double the quoted speed.
I can understand focusing on the benchmarks quoted on Apple's site. However there was a lot more done during the keynote that he conspicuously didn't mention.
Further I notice he didn't mention the problem of not doing comparisions to AMD.
While I can understand his reasoning, the fact is that most software on the PC runs under VC or Intel's compiler. It doesn't run under gcc. The benchmark might be a fair Linux/OSX comparison but implies something about Windows/OSX that is incorrect.
I'd also like to see the tests done under Mathematica and Photoshop discussed more. Apple's had a history with photoshop so there is prima facie reasons to distrust it. But the Mathematica test, which seemed the most exciting to me, is what I'd really like to see.
Realistically though the tools for Apple, including graphics drivers, are all very beta. So we should see improvements with time. And realistically benchmarks are typically kind of deceiving as an indicator of real world performance.
So any word on these other questions?
PS - I love OSX and would love to make a Mac my primary machine. If only Project Builder was up to the task so I could abandon Visual Studio. But I am excited about the G5, but I think Apple's "questionable" tactics have brought a lot of unfavorable press that more honesty would have avoided. Personally I think being within 10% - 15% of the top end PC would have been fine.
The problem with minimum fonts being removed is that when they shifted to 72 dpi instead of 96 dpi it now makes small fonts illegible. There are a half dozen sites this happens on. They should have at least provided an option for minimum font size for those of us who don't visit the sites that minimum font screwed up.
I tried to go Linux for my PC box. But I wanted it to be a NAT server for my Mac. After spending an afternoon trying to get it to work I simply installed XP and had it working in 10 minutes.
I've tried OpenOffice, Abiword and others as well. But it just doesn't do what I want. And yes, I've found many documents it doesn't open right.
Gimp has a crappy UI in my opinion. (And yeah I have it on my system - but I prefer GraphicsConverter or Photoshop for my Graphics) For vector graphics I simply haven't found anything that is that good. On the Mac for simple stuff OmniGraffle is simply amazing. Illustrator is there for when I need it.
Mail.app works great for me for mail. The only complaint I have is that it doesn't support full HTML mail but that is apparently changing. I have Entourage as well but liked Mail better. I tried the mail app that came with Gnome but simply didn't like it. Your milage may vary.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
1. Much missing software. (Office, Photoshop, etc). Some of these have Linux equivalents but they really aren't the same. i.e. no graphics professional would use Gimp instead of Photoshop. There isn't an equivalent of Illustrator or Freehand. OpenOffice is still very limited in opening up Excel and Word files. (And is clunkier in my opinion)
2. Too much configuration. It is hard for Slashdot folks to realize, but keeping Linux up to date and configuring it is a royal pain in the ass. I consider myself computer savvy and I still have problems with Linux all too often!
Compare this to the Mac. Everything works the way you expect it. Plus you do get nearly everything that Linux provides. So it really is the best of both worlds. The only downside is that the hardware ends up being a couple hundred more than an equivalent PC system. And if you roll your own box (which most can't) then the price difference is even higher. That's a big deal to many people.
I personally think the rewritten Finder and open/save dialogs alone is worth $129!
Nope. Only the top of the line one is. Which is weird given the pricing. Something seems off.
This is one of the most exciting things announced. I was reading the keynote over at ARS so I didn't see if they demoed the new Apple compiler or Codewarrior. I've been rather disappointed with the IDE on both. (Especially compared to Visual Studio) Still this sounds like a kick ass feature. I'd really like to switch to a Mac as my primary system. But the compilers have really limited me here.
Right now corporations are primarily controlled by small groups whose "vote" depends upon investment. Liberals want one vote per person type of democracy that corporations are pretty much antithical to.
That's really the question. One vote per person for *everything* or should something be voted upon by interest or productivity?
The complaints against Canada are typically that socialized medicine and so forth lower costs. I suppose that is true to an extent. But, as someone else mentioned, the large number of easily accessable trees also does.
There never is a truly level playing field. Complaining about that and then asking for tarriffs is akin to asking that the kid in class who gets all the A's ought to be penalized a few points because the rest aren't as smart.
Don't get me wrong. There are times when tarrifs are appropriate. But thus far the US isn't doing too well with the WTO.
Now if only the transition to Perl 5.8 went as smooth...
So while I doubt a free for all clone licensing that lets other companies be parasitic on Apple's advertising and research, I can see there being "clones."
Many would argue that ethically ones business should be focused on production, not earning money without producing.
One big problem was that while we had both Novell and Wordperfect, among others, there were some horrible management brought in. Both companies were run pretty incompetnently.
I don't know that the typical denizen of the San Francisco area would enjoy Utah Valley. It is about as conservative as San Fran is liberal. But it is a beautiful, albeit hot place. Lots of outdoor rec. Night life has improved dramatically, especially given the Olympics. Housing costs have been increasing, but are still well below what you find in California. There is a bit of resentment towards California, but no more so than any of the other western states which had a large influx of Californians the past 8 years.
If there is a problem in Utah that could have bearing on the case it is that there is a definite minority of "get rich quick" schemers. There are purportedly more entrepeneurs per capita in Utah than any place else. However some of those people cut corners. I don't think those people are representative of Utah and especially not Mormons. But they are there and tend to be the ones who get noticed. Mormons are trusting, especially of other Mormons. So it is easy for these neo-con artists to do well. Lots of white collar crime in Utah.
While what SCO is doing isn't a crime, it is certainly in keeping with that particularly distressing underbelly of Utah. As such the actions of the CEO certainly aren't that unusually. (Sadly)
Be aware however that Mormons do not think much of such people. They are often referred to as living in "tall and spacious buildings." (A prophecy in the Book of Mormon referring to those who are prideful and ignore their religious commitments to succeed in the world) But they are there and do live in big houses on the sides of the mountains. And, unfortunately, a lot of them made their dough in questionable business deals in the computer industry.
I know this is slightly off topic. But it is better than those Kharma whores who go back to the older news on SCO and paste in verbatium earliers +5 scored posts. Anyway, I have Kharma to burn.
Here's a link to a discussion of the article you mentioned:
American Journal of Epidemiology
Now if there were only an easy way to get nitrogen now that I don't work in a lab.
How is that different from folks back when JFK ran for President implying he was beholden to Catholic pressure.
Tips (haven't read the article yet, so some of these might be redundant) -
- make sure you have good ventilation.
Nitrogen can fill the room and will push out the good air.
- don't use a regular blender.
Unless you have a heavy duty egg beater the nitrogen will be freezing the ice cream mix so fast that you'll bust the motor. Use a heavy duty one and then switch over to a large metal spoon.
- good ingredents count.
Use good cream. Add powdered milk for the extra protein. (I like adding a little bit of high quality protein that I use while working out) We used fresh dates, strawberries or whatever. If you use vanilla don't use that crappy stuff. Good vanilla is well worth the price - sort of like good basalmic vinegar. Once you've had the real deal the stuff supermarkets sell tastes like crap.
- Invite a bunch of friends.
It's a great party. Do the typical physics/chemistry tricks with the remaining liquid nitrogen. The shattering tomatoe or fake hand in the nitrogen tricks are always classics.
I don't know how many of these clowns are part of the old Caldera either. My understanding is that most of the old Caldera staff left.
But making slurs about religion seems a bit much.
The advantage to context menus is that you don't have to mouse all the way to the top of the screen to access a menu to do something. Thus there is less movement. Further there is a visual clue since it is an object you are clicking on. Right clicking or Ctrl-clicking provides a list of actions you can do with that object. Since there is a menu, this clearly is visual.
While you may not like context menus clearly many people do, just as they like scroll wheels. Don't make the rest of us suffer because of your preferences.
It's not stupid to complain about how badly implemented a feature of the Finder is. Sometimes it is better to leave something off than do a half-assed job of it. If you implement a feature then you are responsible for how that implementation is done. And the fact is that, as with so many things in the Finder, a little forethought in programming could offer a huge speed increase. As I mentioned a little caching could dramatically improve the speed of the context menu.
As for your complaint about context menus in the Finder but not open/close dialogs, I agree that is a problem. I'm confused at how you see this a problem with context menus and not the poor programing of the team who does open/close dialgos. As for why clicking on the desktop and an empty space in a window is different. Obviously (and visually) they are different objects.
As for the rumor about the Nautilus team, what is your source that it isn't true? It's been widely reported. Further I am very sure that Pavel Cisler who worked on both Nautilus and the BeOS tracker is working on the Finder.
See this OS News article.
As for "everybody else uses it and has no complaints to speak of." Have you visited any OSX forums?!?!? The Finder is griped about more than all else in OSX combined.
http://www.iht.com/articles/99309.html