There is no demand for products which do not exist. Demand does not exist until the product does.
This patently isn't true eg I'd buy a teleportation machine in a heartbeat.
How much demand was there for an iphone before the iphone existed? Zero.
There was quite a lot of demand for phones that played music, allowed internet access etc.
How many jobs as Apple created to make the iphone? Eleventybillion. Mostly in China, but that is besides the point.
No, it's entirely the point. Romney is claiming he'll create 12 million US jobs by supporting businesses. Yet thousands of Americans lost their jobs because Apple is a business.
Apple also brainwashed people into buying iPhones they didn't need. Lots of Americans are worse off because of that too.
So US jobs are only created because of being needed to better fulfill demand. And Americans are better off only when a) supply better fills a genuine US demand or b) US supply fulfills any non-US demand.
As a quite political person (spent ~500 hours in 2 non-partisan campaigns), it might surprise you that we don't see Obama on TV. His appearance on Letterman a couple of weeks ago was the first I really saw him.
What the Republicans say provides my FBriends with much hilarity as well as opportunity for outrage (seriously, I think it's like therapy for us).
Letting MS off the hook didn't matter much because MS actually came out with a decent OS and Ballmer killed any advantage they had. They lost the browser war and Apple et al provided some genuine competition.
Still missed most of the debate. Nearly all those streams exceeded my puny bandwidth.
The misconception everyone seems to have is that businesses create jobs. That’s true in the sense that business provides the mechanism for people to contribute to making goods and services. But businesses don’t create jobs.
A good businessperson tries to reduce costs and run as efficiently as possible. That’s why automation so revolutionized the world—we could do more work with far fewer people. That’s why businesses pursue productivity, so they can scale up their production faster than they need to scale up their headcount.
Any businessperson who is acting in the interest of the bottom line should be trying to slow job growth or actively shed jobs within their company.
Jobs are created when a business experiences so much demand that it has no choice except to hire more people to cope with the demand. The demand drives the business to create more jobs.
Someone with the business experience of presiding over a growing business does not know how to create jobs; they know how to create demand for their specific products and services. This is a great skill for growing an individual business.
Growing a business isn’t the same as growing an economy. As Apple grows demand for its products, it grows demand in no small part by taking business away from its competitors. Apple does well, but Microsoft does less well that it otherwise would. Getting one business to do better is not the same thing at all as growing an overall economy so everyone does better.
Surface RT is a bad investment at the moment. It has zero applications and a worse operating system than its rivals. It's also bootlocked to that bad operating system and can only run applications from Microsoft's Appstore.
Hmm, Tizen is open source and Samsung already dominates the market. Jolla/Sailboat is mostly open source. Microsoft is a huge company where selling a hundred million of probably subsidised units will make little difference and the potential is priced in.
But RIM has to be worth a flutter at 7.5p per share, even if they do produce goddamn ugly phones. Thanks for the nudge.
I have no general data to point to but I used Nokia phones almost exclusively for 10 years and have used Apple's for the last 3 and the Nokia stuff I had was no more or less durable than my Apple gear. I'm pretty sure Nokia's current smartphones will break at pretty much the same rate as iPhones.
Their problems have been on the product side. They have had no answer to the iPhone and Android phones. Their software has seriously sucked for a long time. Symbian was a dead end years ago and MeeGo wasn't going to get the job done. Nokia's problems are simply that they have had no phones anyone wanted for quite a while now. Their dumb phones were fine but they missed the smartphone revolution big time.
I guess you're oblivious to the N9. And many people won't give up their N900s.
Meego was a mistake. With the market maturing android and ios are well established and there is only a room for a few.
This is a constant misunderstanding. People buy phones to express their individuality (OK the market engineered this attitude). This is why Android is kicking Apple's arse -- because there are vastly more style options.
They do not buy phones to run some obscure app you can only get on Android and iOS.
You will see it soon enough. Either WP8, Blackberry, Jolla or Tizen will start selling a hundred million of units.
The N900 was big, clumsy and if you enabled WiFi, Skype and IM integration (which it did brilliantly, better than any other device) you would be lucky to get 12 hours of battery life out of it.
I get about 72 hours out of mine for that. Then again, it's gone through several OS updates including the community one.
The OS lacked portrait / landscape switching and responsibility was not good because of lack of memory.
The former's been fixed, the latter is only a problem with 2-3 big apps and has been somewhat improved by circumventing a couple of hardware bugs and switching to an alternate, more efficient instruction set: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 And that is why the N900 is so cool.
Sticking with their OS is what's hurting Blackberry so much, so I don't think that was much of a choice either.
Actually, being slow to make Blackberry competitive is what's hurting them so much. If the new system is any good, they'll make a huge comeback.
The truth is that the mobile landscape got competitive as hell after Apple released the iPhone and the major tectonic shift that ensued was too much for big traditional companies like Nokia, Motorola and Sony/Ericsson to handle. LG and Samsung were smarter and switched to Android.
This much is true.
So as crappy as the decision to play along with MSFT is, it was kind of like the only choice they had.
That just makes no sense unless Elop has the management skills of a backwards teenager. All he had to do was merge all the Symbian departments, transfer much of the talent back to MeeGo, release the N9 and sell 5 million units, release a version with a keyboard and sell another 2 million units and the rest is obvious.
That argument about the ovi ecosystem being great and whatnot is a complete lie. My brother had a E62 and he liked his Nokia phones, eventually buying the newer models. I remember him showing me the ovi store and I remember when we compared that to the iOS App Store on my iPhone 3G. The difference was so great that it was pointless to discuss the merits of the two.
True enough.
This is the reason why I predict that eventually Microsoft will take over the extremely guarded approach of Apple and the fragmentation and some design issues of Android.
No, Apple is in a very privileged position, with hundreds of millions of effectively brainwashed customers. All they have to do is copy the obvious upgrades ie everything that is successful on another platform.
Apple will be there for a long time. So will Android. Windows Phone is unlikely to be able to compete at that level simply because of the branding. Hopefully Blackberry, Tizen and Jolla can find their niches.
Wow dude. You almost make it look as if Nokia is already bankrupt and is NOT the one finishing the sexiest Windows Phone 8 device (if not the sexiest smartphone overall) to come out in 2012
meego was truly a dead end. There are far too many of these mobile platforms. The last thing the world needs is Yet Another Incompatable Mobile OS. Each company trying to do their own OS simply harms consumers, leading to scattered development.
Think how many mobile phones styles there were before Apple. People want their individuality. Indeed this is the basis of the success of iPhone. Get an iPod because it makes you look cool. Get an iPhone X because it's clearly better yet largely identical than what half the world has.
It is almost irrelevant what developers think, especially as MeeGo is Linux. This is why N9 outsold Windows phone 7 in spite of being declared a dead end, not sold in all major markets etc.
My N900 lasts about a week with just using the phone and a couple of days for normal use on stock battery. I have a spare that I don't even bother charging these days.
You do have to spend a few hours finding and installing the right software.
N9 is certainly lacking some software but it's getting better weekly.
As for more usable screen and keyboard, I wonder if Project Glass and Microsoft Digits point the way forward.
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Mod up.
Previous Chromebooks have been unlockable:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/132300-unleash-your-chromebox-how-to-dual-boot-ubuntu-linux-on-your-chrome-os-device
Since the Nexus 7 is unlockable too, there's a good chance this will be.
Locked bootloader? Sure would make a nice Ubuntu machine.
No.
There is no demand for products which do not exist. Demand does not exist until the product does.
This patently isn't true eg I'd buy a teleportation machine in a heartbeat.
How much demand was there for an iphone before the iphone existed? Zero.
There was quite a lot of demand for phones that played music, allowed internet access etc.
How many jobs as Apple created to make the iphone? Eleventybillion. Mostly in China, but that is besides the point.
No, it's entirely the point. Romney is claiming he'll create 12 million US jobs by supporting businesses. Yet thousands of Americans lost their jobs because Apple is a business.
Apple also brainwashed people into buying iPhones they didn't need. Lots of Americans are worse off because of that too.
So US jobs are only created because of being needed to better fulfill demand. And Americans are better off only when a) supply better fills a genuine US demand or b) US supply fulfills any non-US demand.
Was 3am here. The first wasn't shown either.
I agree, for largely the same reasons. Also, we aren't bombarded with it like the Americans, or subject to some of Obama's worst decisions.
As a quite political person (spent ~500 hours in 2 non-partisan campaigns), it might surprise you that we don't see Obama on TV. His appearance on Letterman a couple of weeks ago was the first I really saw him.
What the Republicans say provides my FBriends with much hilarity as well as opportunity for outrage (seriously, I think it's like therapy for us).
Letting MS off the hook didn't matter much because MS actually came out with a decent OS and Ballmer killed any advantage they had. They lost the browser war and Apple et al provided some genuine competition.
Still missed most of the debate. Nearly all those streams exceeded my puny bandwidth.
Co-ops can. Govts can. Neighbours and family can.
This is rather a side issue anyway. The oversimplified main point is that businesses don't create jobs, demand does.
A smart non-partisan FBriend of mine wrote this
Business Doesn’t Create Jobs
The misconception everyone seems to have is that businesses create jobs. That’s true in the sense that business provides the mechanism for people to contribute to making goods and services. But businesses don’t create jobs.
A good businessperson tries to reduce costs and run as efficiently as possible. That’s why automation so revolutionized the world—we could do more work with far fewer people. That’s why businesses pursue productivity, so they can scale up their production faster than they need to scale up their headcount.
Any businessperson who is acting in the interest of the bottom line should be trying to slow job growth or actively shed jobs within their company.
Jobs are created when a business experiences so much demand that it has no choice except to hire more people to cope with the demand. The demand drives the business to create more jobs.
Someone with the business experience of presiding over a growing business does not know how to create jobs; they know how to create demand for their specific products and services. This is a great skill for growing an individual business.
Growing a business isn’t the same as growing an economy. As Apple grows demand for its products, it grows demand in no small part by taking business away from its competitors. Apple does well, but Microsoft does less well that it otherwise would. Getting one business to do better is not the same thing at all as growing an overall economy so everyone does better.
http://www.steverrobbins.com/blog/2012/10/business-finance-and-jobs/
http://gigaom.com/video/second-presidential-debate-live-stream/
The debate isn't being showed across the pond.
The world barely recovered from letting Microsoft off the hook and hasn't recovered from the War on Terror yet so some of us would like to watch.
Surface RT is a bad investment at the moment. It has zero applications and a worse operating system than its rivals. It's also bootlocked to that bad operating system and can only run applications from Microsoft's Appstore.
Show me the x86 version.
Hmm, Tizen is open source and Samsung already dominates the market. Jolla/Sailboat is mostly open source. Microsoft is a huge company where selling a hundred million of probably subsidised units will make little difference and the potential is priced in.
But RIM has to be worth a flutter at 7.5p per share, even if they do produce goddamn ugly phones. Thanks for the nudge.
Wish I had mod points. This is a good summary too.
I have no general data to point to but I used Nokia phones almost exclusively for 10 years and have used Apple's for the last 3 and the Nokia stuff I had was no more or less durable than my Apple gear. I'm pretty sure Nokia's current smartphones will break at pretty much the same rate as iPhones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf1fRu9YgfE
Their problems have been on the product side. They have had no answer to the iPhone and Android phones. Their software has seriously sucked for a long time. Symbian was a dead end years ago and MeeGo wasn't going to get the job done. Nokia's problems are simply that they have had no phones anyone wanted for quite a while now. Their dumb phones were fine but they missed the smartphone revolution big time.
I guess you're oblivious to the N9. And many people won't give up their N900s.
Meego was a mistake. With the market maturing android and ios are well established and there is only a room for a few.
This is a constant misunderstanding. People buy phones to express their individuality (OK the market engineered this attitude). This is why Android is kicking Apple's arse -- because there are vastly more style options.
They do not buy phones to run some obscure app you can only get on Android and iOS.
You will see it soon enough. Either WP8, Blackberry, Jolla or Tizen will start selling a hundred million of units.
The N900 was big, clumsy and if you enabled WiFi, Skype and IM integration (which it did brilliantly, better than any other device) you would be lucky to get 12 hours of battery life out of it.
I get about 72 hours out of mine for that. Then again, it's gone through several OS updates including the community one.
The OS lacked portrait / landscape switching and responsibility was not good because of lack of memory.
The former's been fixed, the latter is only a problem with 2-3 big apps and has been somewhat improved by circumventing a couple of hardware bugs and switching to an alternate, more efficient instruction set: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829
And that is why the N900 is so cool.
Much as I think Nokia deserve to die, it's possible that Microsoft are paying them enough to make it worthwhile.
Sticking with their OS is what's hurting Blackberry so much, so I don't think that was much of a choice either.
Actually, being slow to make Blackberry competitive is what's hurting them so much. If the new system is any good, they'll make a huge comeback.
The truth is that the mobile landscape got competitive as hell after Apple released the iPhone and the major tectonic shift that ensued was too much for big traditional companies like Nokia, Motorola and Sony/Ericsson to handle. LG and Samsung were smarter and switched to Android.
This much is true.
So as crappy as the decision to play along with MSFT is, it was kind of like the only choice they had.
That just makes no sense unless Elop has the management skills of a backwards teenager. All he had to do was merge all the Symbian departments, transfer much of the talent back to MeeGo, release the N9 and sell 5 million units, release a version with a keyboard and sell another 2 million units and the rest is obvious.
That argument about the ovi ecosystem being great and whatnot is a complete lie. My brother had a E62 and he liked his Nokia phones, eventually buying the newer models. I remember him showing me the ovi store and I remember when we compared that to the iOS App Store on my iPhone 3G. The difference was so great that it was pointless to discuss the merits of the two.
True enough.
This is the reason why I predict that eventually Microsoft will take over the extremely guarded approach of Apple and the fragmentation and some design issues of Android.
No, Apple is in a very privileged position, with hundreds of millions of effectively brainwashed customers. All they have to do is copy the obvious upgrades ie everything that is successful on another platform.
Apple will be there for a long time. So will Android. Windows Phone is unlikely to be able to compete at that level simply because of the branding. Hopefully Blackberry, Tizen and Jolla can find their niches.
Wow dude. You almost make it look as if Nokia is already bankrupt and is NOT the one finishing the sexiest Windows Phone 8 device (if not the sexiest smartphone overall) to come out in 2012
Surely the only Windows Phone 8 device...
Either Microsoft are paying Nokia a fortune to be a Windows Phone doormat or Elop is a trojan horse.
There's no other credible explanation.
meego was truly a dead end. There are far too many of these mobile platforms. The last thing the world needs is Yet Another Incompatable Mobile OS. Each company trying to do their own OS simply harms consumers, leading to scattered development.
Think how many mobile phones styles there were before Apple. People want their individuality. Indeed this is the basis of the success of iPhone. Get an iPod because it makes you look cool. Get an iPhone X because it's clearly better yet largely identical than what half the world has.
It is almost irrelevant what developers think, especially as MeeGo is Linux. This is why N9 outsold Windows phone 7 in spite of being declared a dead end, not sold in all major markets etc.
Until then, install CSSU Thumb2. It will give you a very significant free RAM boost. If swapping is still your issue, you could try installing a fast microSD: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1277722&postcount=40.
Also, Opera 12 just got ported, although it's a bit buggy.
This should tide you over a couple of months to see if Jolla will fit your bill.
My N900 lasts about a week with just using the phone and a couple of days for normal use on stock battery. I have a spare that I don't even bother charging these days.
You do have to spend a few hours finding and installing the right software.
N9 is certainly lacking some software but it's getting better weekly.
As for more usable screen and keyboard, I wonder if Project Glass and Microsoft Digits point the way forward.
Two previous UIs scrapped according to the article.