So linux apps are linux apps, no matter how many platforms they've been ported to....However, windows zealots don't even want to mention the word linux and prefer them called open-source.
Because they're right and you're wrong. It's a gtk+ app. Th e whole purpose of inventing gtk+ was to make Gimp (not to make a "linux" app). Gimp/Gtk+ is perfectly at home on Solaris and the BSDs....no matter how bitter linux zealots like you are.
In a previous/. article, several people didn't even want to reckognize Gimp and Gaim as Linux applications. Hell, not even GTK! They preferred them called "open-source", and not Linux applications or in the case of GTK, Linux API. Their argument? It works on windows! Now, how is this helping Linux?
Does Gimp and Gaim work on Solaris, or the BSDs? Linux does not own these apps or Gtk+.
Linux is a kernel.
And you, nor anybody else, is in a position to say "must be dropped".
His tactics once again leave a bitter taste for people that aren't GNU zealots. There is somewhat diminishing returns at some point, but its the same old idiocy in the way he puts it. It might have been RMS spewing.
Minorities can certainly always wreak havoc on the freedom of others.
That's the first sentence and it only get worse.
So the question is: why are there all these configurations? One answer is: because of violent minorities supporting such configurations.
Violent, eh? People are getting beat up.
The fight for saving the software world from the evil of proprietary, IP-enforced, non-transparent software has only started.
Evil? Yeah, ok. I thought him and Stallman weren't getting along. Sounds like he just got back from a GNU re-education camp.
Support for proprietary OSes should be dropped.
Windows isn't the minority. Try again.
There are undoubtedly people who will want the flame me to death. But these people are almost certainly all members of said violent minorities who want to force their opinions on the majority.
Violent again.
Once again, people like him and Stallman do far more harm than good by acting like a complete nut.
Keep these extremists down in the basement coding.
I'm sure I'll be getting one. Besides the very impressive hardware specs (is this where we get real-time Toy Story?), I like the builtin Wifi. It should've been done in the original Xbox. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have Cat5 running through my house, and I'm not going to setting up my Xbox next to my router. Wireless controllers are nice too.
I like the idea of my gaming box being part of a whole multimedia system. I'd be worried if I was Sony and Nintendo, but at the end of the day Microsoft has to get the games out. I still wish I had gotten a PS2 just for the sheer number of games on it.
Oh, and is this thing going to be backward-compatible with Xbox1?
The funny thing about all 4 of these replies is that only 1 even commented on Lisp not being successful, and that one brought up Emacs - which uses elisp for parts of it.
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I hope you realize that you have been deprecated in favor of the smug_haskell_weenie.
seemed to have many of the benefits of Lisp without the prefix notation - macros, CLOS-based object system, multi-methods, multiple returns, optional type declarations, named parameters (I think), etc...
Dylan was started by Apple Research Cambridge in the late 80s, but was laid to rest (at least for Apple) after Jobs came back and the NeXT infusion.
At least Functional Objects opened up their stack and is now being incorporated by the above URL guys.
The problem is that each progammer approaches coding in his unique way. There are an infinite number of solutions to all but the most trivial programs.
I'm constantly saying to myself "Why did he write it this way?".
Comments raise the abstraction level just like patterns and higher-level languages in general.
So until we all become Borg, we're going to need comments
Don't let your ego screw other programmers over. Everybody thinks that they write clear, logically-flowing code whose meaning is self-evident.
Sorry, but your thinking about code doesn't correlate with my thinking about code and as the submitter pointed out, his own thinking about code doesn't even correlate with what he was thinking 3 years ago.
The fact of the matter is that most people can hold about 7 items in their head at one time and those 7 items add up fast when you're dealing with code.
At the very least, write a summary for the class/structure and summaries for the methods. Even if methods are small (as they should be), most of the time people don't care about the internal; they just want to know what it does, pre-conditions, post-conditions, and any other caveats.
Even if code was written in English, it still would necessitate summaries. Think of code-folding in your editor and how you only want to look at what you're interested in.
If you hate vi you might want to try emacs. It can do almost everything any modern GUI can and works with all languages known to mankind.
That's just not true. Try Eclipse, IDEA, or VS2005 beta2 and then tell me that Emacs can do everything those do.
Last time I checked, Emacs (or at least Xemacs) was still wrestling with getting xft patches in on Unix.
I love vi, but not because of the vim program...because of the vi keybindings. I don't want some warmed over console program. I want vi within a modern IDE, not some architecture stuck in the 1970s.
Someone needs to do a vi plugin for VS2005, like Eclipse has. Supposedly, the latest VSIP beta2 SDK http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/extend/ is going to make it easier to trap keystrokes.
By profession, I'm a linux programmer, but I've been playing around with VS2005 beta2 and it is very slick. If there's something that Microsoft does know how to do, it's IDEs
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So linux apps are linux apps, no matter how many platforms they've been ported to....However, windows zealots don't even want to mention the word linux and prefer them called open-source.
Because they're right and you're wrong. It's a gtk+ app. Th e whole purpose of inventing gtk+ was to make Gimp (not to make a "linux" app). Gimp/Gtk+ is perfectly at home on Solaris and the BSDs....no matter how bitter linux zealots like you are.
In a previous /. article, several people didn't even want to reckognize Gimp and Gaim as Linux applications. Hell, not even GTK! They preferred them called "open-source", and not Linux applications or in the case of GTK, Linux API. Their argument? It works on windows! Now, how is this helping Linux?
Does Gimp and Gaim work on Solaris, or the BSDs? Linux does not own these apps or Gtk+.
Linux is a kernel.
And you, nor anybody else, is in a position to say "must be dropped".
Get a clue. Drepper works on glibc. This is low level stuff that makes system calls and has to deal with cpu architecture stuff.
You're way to high up on the software stack.
His tactics once again leave a bitter taste for people that aren't GNU zealots. There is somewhat diminishing returns at some point, but its the same old idiocy in the way he puts it. It might have been RMS spewing.
Minorities can certainly always wreak havoc on the freedom of others.
That's the first sentence and it only get worse.
So the question is: why are there all these configurations? One answer is: because of violent minorities supporting such configurations.
Violent, eh? People are getting beat up.
The fight for saving the software world from the evil of proprietary, IP-enforced, non-transparent software has only started.
Evil? Yeah, ok. I thought him and Stallman weren't getting along. Sounds like he just got back from a GNU re-education camp.
Support for proprietary OSes should be dropped.
Windows isn't the minority. Try again.
There are undoubtedly people who will want the flame me to death. But these people are almost certainly all members of said violent minorities who want to force their opinions on the majority.
Violent again.
Once again, people like him and Stallman do far more harm than good by acting like a complete nut.
Keep these extremists down in the basement coding.
I'm sure I'll be getting one. Besides the very impressive hardware specs (is this where we get real-time Toy Story?), I like the builtin Wifi. It should've been done in the original Xbox. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have Cat5 running through my house, and I'm not going to setting up my Xbox next to my router. Wireless controllers are nice too.
I like the idea of my gaming box being part of a whole multimedia system. I'd be worried if I was Sony and Nintendo, but at the end of the day Microsoft has to get the games out. I still wish I had gotten a PS2 just for the sheer number of games on it.
Oh, and is this thing going to be backward-compatible with Xbox1?
Haven't heard anything about Prey in years. If you remember, the Prey engine was supposed to be uber-advanced, but then just died off.
Now it looks like 3DRealms is going to do a Prey game using the Doom3 engine.
DNF anyone?
the top 25 core developers, more than 90% of them are fully employed
Let's hope so. I mean we're not talking about the 1 milionth, pre-alpha IRC client sitting around dormant on sourceforge.
The funny thing about all 4 of these replies is that only 1 even commented on Lisp not being successful, and that one brought up Emacs - which uses elisp for parts of it.
I hope you realize that you have been deprecated in favor of the smug_haskell_weenie.
The funny thing about your comment is that one of th reasons that Lisp was never successful was because of the prefix notation. It's just not natural.
With Dylan, you got 90%+ of the power of Lisp without the funky notation.
Dylan
seemed to have many of the benefits of Lisp without the prefix notation - macros, CLOS-based object system, multi-methods, multiple returns, optional type declarations, named parameters (I think), etc...
Dylan was started by Apple Research Cambridge in the late 80s, but was laid to rest (at least for Apple) after Jobs came back and the NeXT infusion.
At least Functional Objects opened up their stack and is now being incorporated by the above URL guys.
The french are bitter that it's not the 19th century anymore and that the rapid decline of French culture and relevance cannot be stopped.
I ditched Ubuntu and went back to Gentoo. Ubuntu's big X/Gnome upgrades would invariably cause the system to become unbearably slow.
USE flags are what makes Gentoo shine, not ricer crap.
The GPL does not take care to make sure that OS is always OSS anymore than BSD takes care that OSS will always remain OSS.
If have copyright on a piece of software you can open it under GPL, and a proprietary license, and anything else you want it to.
Weinberg wrote a book with that exact title.
The problem is that each progammer approaches coding in his unique way. There are an infinite number of solutions to all but the most trivial programs.
I'm constantly saying to myself "Why did he write it this way?".
Comments raise the abstraction level just like patterns and higher-level languages in general.
So until we all become Borg, we're going to need comments
Don't let your ego screw other programmers over. Everybody thinks that they write clear, logically-flowing code whose meaning is self-evident.
Sorry, but your thinking about code doesn't correlate with my thinking about code and as the submitter pointed out, his own thinking about code doesn't even correlate with what he was thinking 3 years ago.
The fact of the matter is that most people can hold about 7 items in their head at one time and those 7 items add up fast when you're dealing with code.
At the very least, write a summary for the class/structure and summaries for the methods. Even if methods are small (as they should be), most of the time people don't care about the internal; they just want to know what it does, pre-conditions, post-conditions, and any other caveats.
Even if code was written in English, it still would necessitate summaries. Think of code-folding in your editor and how you only want to look at what you're interested in.
In fact, it's not even Avalon-enabled yet. But what do you expect from glassy-eyed slashbots who like shiny objects.
Oh guess what. You're not going to run KDE or Gnome on 128 meg of ram. In fact, they're bigger resource hogs than XP.
Better break out fluxbox, or better yet, get a job and put a minimum of 512 meg in there like normal people do.
Yeah, that idiotic commentary by Hemos "massive collective" was reminscent of Dear Leader Michael.
Non-free programs are dangerous to you and to your community. Don't let them get a place in your life.
He sounds like he's trying to run a Cambodian re-education camp.
As Gunnery Sergeant Hartman said "What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?"
If you hate vi you might want to try emacs. It can do almost everything any modern GUI can and works with all languages known to mankind.
That's just not true. Try Eclipse, IDEA, or VS2005 beta2 and then tell me that Emacs can do everything those do.
Last time I checked, Emacs (or at least Xemacs) was still wrestling with getting xft patches in on Unix.
I love vi, but not because of the vim program...because of the vi keybindings. I don't want some warmed over console program. I want vi within a modern IDE, not some architecture stuck in the 1970s.
Someone needs to do a vi plugin for VS2005, like Eclipse has. Supposedly, the latest VSIP beta2 SDK http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/extend/
is going to make it easier to trap keystrokes.
By profession, I'm a linux programmer, but I've been playing around with VS2005 beta2 and it is very slick. If there's something that Microsoft does know how to do, it's IDEs
I've never used your library, but I appreciate your work in addressing the issue.
Sun needs to hire you brother.
You just posted to slashdot that you use IE... nevermind that you also prefer a 10-year-old JVM
Yeah, I'm sure he feels the need to fit in with Slashbot groupthink.
The only thing I disagree with you on:
SWT's widgets might not look "native", but it's fonts sure as hell do (because they are), and that's why I can't stand Swing
I don't care what "api functionality" Sun uses to get the native look-n-feel (or even care about it that much), but just get the fonts done right.