The idea that customers can simply call up and get a systems administration or network engineer is a little odd.
If this were easily done, the people trying to do their jobs, could no longer do their jobs. Often customers want to talk to "the person in charge" for nearly any issue. A good deal of the time, it is not an issue that needs escalated to the NOC.
What happens within large ISP's, frontline support needs to recognize there is an issue. This really won't happen until support starts noticing a pattern or consistancy. When they reach the point when it appears not to be a customer problem, but possibly a system problem... then it is escalated to the NOC.
Unfortunately, in every industry you will find people who really don't know all that much. A clueless operator or salesperson... or perhaps your brother;).
Often, it helps to explain the problem in detail, making sure the representative understands the problem.
@home and several very large ISP's have some serious problems with spam. Every day the problem increases and more and more third party measures are coming into place to block such disasters. Take a look at mail-abuse.org (works beautifullly btw) or perhaps the orbs system.
Large ISPs are looking for a way to curb their outgoing spam and keep the risk of being blackholes to a minimum.
This large DSL provider who is complaining his customers cannot connect to @homes customers on port 25 is not giving you the whole picture. @home does indeed have a large number of customers who have pretty much open mail servers that allow relaying. Be it old versions of sendmail or simply bad configurations... it is truely a problem.
Also note, port 25 blocking is also outbound for @home customs as well. The way port 25 blocking normally works, is you have a set of hosts the customers are free to communicate on. It is normally not difficult to get a mail server on such a list.
This method prevents their customers being the victim of a fault configuration/software issue or causing such a problem by directly sending large amount of bulk spam to other isp's mail servers.
You can bet other providers are preparing to institute such methods in the future.
A violation of rights... I think not.. at worst... a nuissance for the customer at times. The pros do however, far outway the cons.
The people no one wants to talk to because they are irrate.
In the end, they send a message to every system account, and anyone else (which usually comes back to me). I have never had any real issues come through such channels... this is usually the act of a idiotic fool.
It really depends on who you are targeting. Most of the time I consider myself and end user. Very rarely do I take the role of developer (lack of ample time to contribute meaningful work).
"Who is your audience?" is the question that should be asked. If you want this software to be used by Joe Monday, then by all means establish a binary download. Generally, binaries are a nice hassle free way of using a slice of software from the net.
If your target audience is composed of very capable individuals or developers... then perhaps a binary distribution isn't really needed.
Packaging varies depending on the occassion.;)
Depending upon the occassion wrappings for presents tend to be diffferent (ie christmas as opposed to birthday presents). So maybe your open source gift is special and requires that little extra work... or maybe it deserves as much packaging as a piece of gum.
I know you have been moderated to 0, but I feel a need to reply anyway.
This is a complicated issue. The telco providers role is changing and for a business which is used to being a regulated monopoly change is very difficult.
They are where they are because they were allowed to be a regulated monopoly within the industry. This was not a free and open market to compete within during their developement. Mind you, those telephone poles and underground lines which carry the fiber lines to their destination sit on this governments land.
The less power the telco providers have, the better for us all. I am sure you will see a stifle in technology anywhere it will earn the great ones another dollar.
However, the lack of actually being able to try it before I buy really put me off. There are some damn good alternatives as well.
I'm not sure what I am afraid of when closed source vendors start stalking the linux market. Maybe I should be happy... maybe I should rejoice... but damnit.. deep down I am just a scared little penguin;)
This arguement goes further then plain old vanilla microsoft bashing. UCITA frightens myself and many others. Every hour of every day you will fight to retain your freedom... every moment you slip is another foot of ground gained by the oppressors.
Think lightly and walk proudly... but never give in.
*sigh*
Yes, it does break compiling on some programs.
You cannot test everything...
Maybe I should submit my findings to bugzilla, but
honestly, when I buy something... I just want
it to work.
I don't really care about ia64 support... I don't own one... I just want everything to work nice and run smoothly on the setup I have now. Perhaps efforts to support hardware that is not available be kept in the labs until it is needed?
*sigh*
So much effort seems to be wasted anymore...
I have patched most of my compiling issues...
I wish I didn't spend the time on it now...
So if you want to criticise us for shipping gcc 2.96, you have every right to do so - you'd be wrong, but it is at least a legitimate debate and I'd respect your opinion. But to compare Red Hat to Microsoft indicates an ignorance of what is driving our success.
I am sorry, but the simple fact that exit(0) breaks in certain programs really upsets me. I do not have this problem with RH6.2...
The GNU team released a statement as to why this is bad juju... defend this one all you want, but I feel the majority of us are fairly unhappy with this move.
RH's defense on using a snapshot compiler for a better transistion to the 2.4 kernel is not a worthy defense. It isn't out yet... and still has some time to go. Why not address kernel 2.4 issues when, well, kernel 2.4 is out?
RedHat is not Microsoft, I do believe they are a very good company, but others and myself still believe this snapshot inclusion of GCC to be a Bad^Idea(tm). It may be an opinion, and of course opinions really can't be surmised as wrong or right.... they just reflect our views.
How many e-mails were used during the Microsoft vs DOJ trials? How much information was gleamed from dated sources that really did help the prosecution. Remember, with corporations, discovering and prosecuting a crime are rarely speedy things.
If something stated in an electronic message contains enough wrong doing to prosecute the sender... why should we invalidate this due to time.
Is there a statute of limitations placed on real letters and internal memos? If not, then why should we pose additional restrictions on electronic messages.
As far as delete is concerned... the function of the delete key is not the hardwares fault... it simply a scancode of numeric value that is sent upon keypress. The interpretation of that scancode is left to your operating system. Sooo... if you don't like the operating system... you may need something that better suites your needs.
I don't want to go backward in life, I want to go forward! To hell with reverse...
Especially with the quality of posts (noting this one as a prime example)... I'm on the next Magno-Bubble off this hunk of dirt. I'll realize my dream of starting Internet2 and/.2... it will be beautiful... and we all know trolls can't survive in the vacuum of space.
It was great while it lasted, but better get while the getting is good. Farewell/.... farewell
Your siting linux for downtime. This is truely hilarious...
A kernel update requires a machine reboot... (5 minutes on our compaq servers which takes entirely too long for the raid controllers to initialize). An apache upgrade? Compile in different directory... shutdown old apache... start new apache... remove old apache... cp over new apache to old... ON THE SAME COMMAND LINE. (You don't even have to adjust your startup/shutdown scripts).
NT... change ip address (reboot)... apply hotfix for latest NT bug discovered 5 months ago (reboot)... IIS dies for no reason...won't come back up (reboot)... sneeze wrong way (reboot and dsk check)... 60 days pass (reboot).
Yes, I am exagerating a little bit, but not by much...
Unfortunately, I do not believe there is a clear cut answer on which is better. Many people have commented that apache serves dynamic content much better then IIS. Licensing issues are also a concern... clustering and smp machines.
However, we know from the mindcraft tests that the Linux kernel's lack of a threaded TCP stack has hurt it in the comparisons.
Following kernel threads you might note the IO subsystem overhall that has taken place. You would also note the threaded tcp stack implementation on its way. Apache itself has undergone changes since these "tests."
Enhancements are coming to level the field in the areas Linux/Apache are weak in... it might be a matter of simply waiting and then reviewing a set of truely independant benchmarks and analysis.
The answer is very complicated... you simply have to look at your needs and weigh both sides.
I have no clue what I am doing when it comes to this... hell I am not sure I would be able to make an informed choice when ordering my lunch.
However, here me people of the world, when I tell you that I will say NO to taxes! (not sure what good it will do...but I'll say no anyway). I will balance the budget and bring it to a null balance... for any country that has one. I will give your mothers pro-choice... even after birth (20 to 30 year cap on time to act)... as long as those mothers want that choice. I'll personally shoot Bill Gates and force Steve Balmer to code for open source projects.....
Hell, I'll pretty much say anything you want me to if you put me in that office.
Vote Me, simply because you want to get back at the man.
(Paid for by The People To Elect An Ass Committee)
Unfortunately, the "internet" is still not ready for something like VRML. Notice, all of the complaints seem to be about VRML being slow. I have had some experience with VRML when it suffered through its early release and I know all to well that these complaints are valid.
VRML is going to have to wait for the technology implementation to catch up. Broadband really needs to be.... well... broader. From my perspective, this still seems to be a few years off, as many ISP's (big boys too) still do not have a clear broadband strategy.
For now, the marketing people will have to make do with VRML's lesser cousin, flash. While flash has some load time concerns in its own right... offloading effects and generally making efficient use of images works rather well.
Never in my life would I have decided to say what I am about to say now.
Get a life.
Is slashdot all you do during the day. It is just a website after and does not warrant your constant attention. You speak as if you have some cause or some noteworthy goal in life for slashdot. Go feed the hungry and shelter the homeless...do something that is worth doing... but for god sakes figure out what is meaningful in life and what isn't. Slashdot is a great website, but that is all it is... a website.
And for god sake leave Taco alone... he is just another guy like you and myself. Just like everyone else in this world he is trying to get by in the best way he knows how.
Just because some students may not come from a high profile university does not mean they are without any moral fiber. Your blackhat crowd is consistantly composed of younger foes or highschool children. I myself attended a very humble and very inexpensive school and yet to date I have never compromised another computer in an illegal fashion. I have always held myself as one of the good guys. I've used the tools and the methods but it was either in an environment where this was the goal or for work when gaging the security of a recently purchased company.
Do you really want those Berkley devil worshipping bastards to get their hands ahold of this stuff?
Did you know that Creative made a really nice
wrapper for their TNT card... well.. they got sued by 3dfx for using their glide development resources to make the wrapper. Glide has been open for quite a while.. it just depends on how you look at open.
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The idea that customers can simply call up and get a systems administration or network engineer is a little odd.
;).
If this were easily done, the people trying to do their jobs, could no longer do their jobs. Often customers want to talk to "the person in charge" for nearly any issue. A good deal of the time, it is not an issue that needs escalated to the NOC.
What happens within large ISP's, frontline support needs to recognize there is an issue. This really won't happen until support starts noticing a pattern or consistancy. When they reach the point when it appears not to be a customer problem, but possibly a system problem... then it is escalated to the NOC.
Unfortunately, in every industry you will find people who really don't know all that much. A clueless operator or salesperson... or perhaps your brother
Often, it helps to explain the problem in detail, making sure the representative understands the problem.
@home and several very large ISP's have some serious problems with spam. Every day the problem increases and more and more third party measures are coming into place to block such disasters. Take a look at mail-abuse.org (works beautifullly btw) or perhaps the orbs system.
Large ISPs are looking for a way to curb their outgoing spam and keep the risk of being blackholes to a minimum.
This large DSL provider who is complaining his customers cannot connect to @homes customers on port 25 is not giving you the whole picture. @home does indeed have a large number of customers who have pretty much open mail servers that allow relaying. Be it old versions of sendmail or simply bad configurations... it is truely a problem.
Also note, port 25 blocking is also outbound for @home customs as well. The way port 25 blocking normally works, is you have a set of hosts the customers are free to communicate on. It is normally not difficult to get a mail server on such a list.
This method prevents their customers being the victim of a fault configuration/software issue or causing such a problem by directly sending large amount of bulk spam to other isp's mail servers.
You can bet other providers are preparing to institute such methods in the future.
A violation of rights... I think not.. at worst... a nuissance for the customer at times. The pros do however, far outway the cons.
I really hate when people do this.
Who are the people who do this...
The people no one wants to talk to because they are irrate.
In the end, they send a message to every system account, and anyone else (which usually comes back to me). I have never had any real issues come through such channels... this is usually the act of a idiotic fool.
I delete those messages.
Millions of AMD enthusiasts were astounded today when AMD released their new Mobile Duron, code named the Muron (pronounced Moor-On for humor sake).
Spokesman for AMD felt they would really be reaching the type of computer goer needed to get this chip off the ground.
Also launching this very same day is AMD's new marketing campaign... which heralds the slogan a Muron for a Moron.
Immediately after the initial release, several marketing wizards were fired and beaten.
It really depends on who you are targeting. Most of the time I consider myself and end user. Very rarely do I take the role of developer (lack of ample time to contribute meaningful work).
;)
"Who is your audience?" is the question that should be asked. If you want this software to be used by Joe Monday, then by all means establish a binary download. Generally, binaries are a nice hassle free way of using a slice of software from the net.
If your target audience is composed of very capable individuals or developers... then perhaps a binary distribution isn't really needed.
Packaging varies depending on the occassion.
Depending upon the occassion wrappings for presents tend to be diffferent (ie christmas as opposed to birthday presents). So maybe your open source gift is special and requires that little extra work... or maybe it deserves as much packaging as a piece of gum.
I know you have been moderated to 0, but I feel a need to reply anyway.
This is a complicated issue. The telco providers role is changing and for a business which is used to being a regulated monopoly change is very difficult.
They are where they are because they were allowed to be a regulated monopoly within the industry. This was not a free and open market to compete within during their developement. Mind you, those telephone poles and underground lines which carry the fiber lines to their destination sit on this governments land.
The less power the telco providers have, the better for us all. I am sure you will see a stifle in technology anywhere it will earn the great ones another dollar.
Honestly,
;)
I wanted to try ApplixWare...
However, the lack of actually being able to try it before I buy really put me off. There are some damn good alternatives as well.
I'm not sure what I am afraid of when closed source vendors start stalking the linux market. Maybe I should be happy... maybe I should rejoice... but damnit.. deep down I am just a scared little penguin
The really simple answer is this may be a workstation© At work I have a Windows box and a Linux bos for my workstations© I use a KVM to jump between the two© All of my other systems are racked in the NOC and accessible via Telnet¥tm©
This is Funny +1
Silly moderators, points are for me©
In one week I probably sent 30 abuse reports to psi©net© I cannot block such a large provider as that would entail even more problems©
PSI©net is horrible about spammers using their network© A good deal of this comes from dial-up users which the MAPS DUL list should handle quite well©
All I can say is©©© *sigh*
This arguement goes further then plain old vanilla microsoft bashing. UCITA frightens myself and many others. Every hour of every day you will fight to retain your freedom... every moment you slip is another foot of ground gained by the oppressors. Think lightly and walk proudly... but never give in.
*sigh*
Yes, it does break compiling on some programs.
You cannot test everything...
Maybe I should submit my findings to bugzilla, but
honestly, when I buy something... I just want
it to work.
I don't really care about ia64 support... I don't own one... I just want everything to work nice and run smoothly on the setup I have now. Perhaps efforts to support hardware that is not available be kept in the labs until it is needed?
*sigh*
So much effort seems to be wasted anymore...
I have patched most of my compiling issues...
I wish I didn't spend the time on it now...
I believe in a post by a RH employee, one of the
/why/ precisely why I was a stating this as a compiler issue (brain died)... but there are drawbacks to using this snapshot.
more compelling reasons mentioned was to make upgrade transistions easier...
I am far to lazy to find this post...
Striding to conform with a standard is a Good^Thing(tm)... but I seriously have doubts about some of the forementioned reasons.
Though, I'm not sure
So if you want to criticise us for shipping gcc 2.96, you have every right to do so - you'd be wrong, but it is at least a legitimate debate and I'd respect your opinion. But to compare Red Hat to Microsoft indicates an ignorance of what is driving our success.
I am sorry, but the simple fact that exit(0) breaks in certain programs really upsets me. I do not have this problem with RH6.2...
The GNU team released a statement as to why this is bad juju... defend this one all you want, but I feel the majority of us are fairly unhappy with this move.
RH's defense on using a snapshot compiler for a better transistion to the 2.4 kernel is not a worthy defense. It isn't out yet... and still has some time to go. Why not address kernel 2.4 issues when, well, kernel 2.4 is out?
RedHat is not Microsoft, I do believe they are a very good company, but others and myself still believe this snapshot inclusion of GCC to be a Bad^Idea(tm). It may be an opinion, and of course opinions really can't be surmised as wrong or right.... they just reflect our views.
How many e-mails were used during the Microsoft vs DOJ trials? How much information was gleamed from dated sources that really did help the prosecution. Remember, with corporations, discovering and prosecuting a crime are rarely speedy things.
If something stated in an electronic message contains enough wrong doing to prosecute the sender... why should we invalidate this due to time.
Is there a statute of limitations placed on real letters and internal memos? If not, then why should we pose additional restrictions on electronic messages.
As far as delete is concerned... the function of the delete key is not the hardwares fault... it simply a scancode of numeric value that is sent upon keypress. The interpretation of that scancode is left to your operating system. Sooo... if you don't like the operating system... you may need something that better suites your needs.
NT4 is not dead...
It is finally stable...
It took a number of patches, blood, sweat, and tears... but it finally has uptime.
You want me to Windows Two-Grand now? Fraid not, maybe in another year.... I have issues with using bleeding edge technology on production servers.
So for now... *sigh* (reboot)
I don't want to go backward in life, I want to go forward! To hell with reverse...
/.2... it will be beautiful... and we all know trolls can't survive in the vacuum of space.
/.... farewell
Especially with the quality of posts (noting this one as a prime example)... I'm on the next Magno-Bubble off this hunk of dirt. I'll realize my dream of starting Internet2 and
It was great while it lasted, but better get while the getting is good. Farewell
OMG...
Your siting linux for downtime. This is truely hilarious...
A kernel update requires a machine reboot... (5 minutes on our compaq servers which takes entirely too long for the raid controllers to initialize). An apache upgrade? Compile in different directory... shutdown old apache... start new apache... remove old apache... cp over new apache to old... ON THE SAME COMMAND LINE. (You don't even have to adjust your startup/shutdown scripts).
NT... change ip address (reboot)... apply hotfix for latest NT bug discovered 5 months ago (reboot)... IIS dies for no reason...won't come back up (reboot)... sneeze wrong way (reboot and dsk check)... 60 days pass (reboot).
Yes, I am exagerating a little bit, but not by much...
Unfortunately, I do not believe there is a clear cut answer on which is better. Many people have commented that apache serves dynamic content much better then IIS. Licensing issues are also a concern... clustering and smp machines.
However, we know from the mindcraft tests that the Linux kernel's lack of a threaded TCP stack has hurt it in the comparisons.
Following kernel threads you might note the IO subsystem overhall that has taken place. You would also note the threaded tcp stack implementation on its way. Apache itself has undergone changes since these "tests."
Enhancements are coming to level the field in the areas Linux/Apache are weak in... it might be a matter of simply waiting and then reviewing a set of truely independant benchmarks and analysis.
The answer is very complicated... you simply have to look at your needs and weigh both sides.
I have no clue what I am doing when it comes to this... hell I am not sure I would be able to make an informed choice when ordering my lunch.
However, here me people of the world, when I tell you that I will say NO to taxes! (not sure what good it will do...but I'll say no anyway). I will balance the budget and bring it to a null balance... for any country that has one. I will give your mothers pro-choice... even after birth (20 to 30 year cap on time to act)... as long as those mothers want that choice. I'll personally shoot Bill Gates and force Steve Balmer to code for open source projects.....
Hell, I'll pretty much say anything you want me to if you put me in that office.
Vote Me, simply because you want to get back at the man.
(Paid for by The People To Elect An Ass Committee)
Unfortunately, the "internet" is still not ready for something like VRML. Notice, all of the complaints seem to be about VRML being slow. I have had some experience with VRML when it suffered through its early release and I know all to well that these complaints are valid.
VRML is going to have to wait for the technology implementation to catch up. Broadband really needs to be.... well... broader. From my perspective, this still seems to be a few years off, as many ISP's (big boys too) still do not have a clear broadband strategy.
For now, the marketing people will have to make do with VRML's lesser cousin, flash. While flash has some load time concerns in its own right... offloading effects and generally making efficient use of images works rather well.
Never in my life would I have decided to say what I am about to say now.
Get a life.
Is slashdot all you do during the day. It is just a website after and does not warrant your constant attention. You speak as if you have some cause or some noteworthy goal in life for slashdot. Go feed the hungry and shelter the homeless...do something that is worth doing... but for god sakes figure out what is meaningful in life and what isn't. Slashdot is a great website, but that is all it is... a website.
And for god sake leave Taco alone... he is just another guy like you and myself. Just like everyone else in this world he is trying to get by in the best way he knows how.
Two words, Grow Up.
What are you on crack.
Just because some students may not come from a high profile university does not mean they are without any moral fiber. Your blackhat crowd is consistantly composed of younger foes or highschool children. I myself attended a very humble and very inexpensive school and yet to date I have never compromised another computer in an illegal fashion. I have always held myself as one of the good guys. I've used the tools and the methods but it was either in an environment where this was the goal or for work when gaging the security of a recently purchased company.
Do you really want those Berkley devil worshipping bastards to get their hands ahold of this stuff?
The term is legal... look it up...
Those wrappers are not legal...
Did you know that Creative made a really nice
wrapper for their TNT card... well.. they got sued by 3dfx for using their glide development resources to make the wrapper. Glide has been open for quite a while.. it just depends on how you look at open.
Ok guys, we bought this company that seems to be doing ok and we want to drive it into the ground as fast as possible. Suggestions?
Let's put NT on the cobalt cubes!