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AMD Starts Shipping Mobile Durons
HiyaPower writes: "AMD announced today that it has started shipment of its mobile Duron line of processors. While these were supposed to have made it out the gate in 00Q4, it is nice to see that they have finally appeared. Designed around a 1.6V VCore, these processors have a power dissipation of roughly 25W at 600 Mhz, and 29W at 700 Mhz according to the tech specs. Pricing is aggressive as might be expected in this environment. The AMD mobile line has been a good one since the K6-III+
processors. Hopefully, these Durons will live up to the tradition." I bet this release is a spur to the folks at both Intel and Transmeta -- isn't it nice to watch one-upmanship at work sometimes?
I haven't heard or read anything about this LaVie U notebook line from NEC. It is not mentioned on nec.com. Will these notebooks only be available in Japan (The press statement only mentions NEC Japan!)?
That would mean a relatively low level of support for the mobile Duron, wouldn't it? It would fit the impression you get when you look at the press statements on NEC's website: They still praise the introduction of the mobile PIII 800Mhz but I can't find anything about the new notebooks.
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Maybe I can actually buy a laptop now.
The price of the processor is the least of your worries. There's so many other expenses when you buy a laptop (like the screen) that a low cost processor won't have too big of an effect...
But any little bit helps, I guess... as long as you can save a couple bucks.
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But as you note it would be sweet.
We use the laptop with two Ethernet cards because it provides a single small package incorporating system unit, keyboard, and display. The Duron would be a bit of overkill for us, as the current box is a refurbished unit with 120 MHz Pentium and 16M of DRAM. It's been doing the job reliably for most of the past three years.
I already play 3D games on my PowerBook... Quake3 runs 65fps using the "fast" settings. Of course, I'll run out of batteries in just 3 hours of playing, since the G3/500 draws 8 watts when utilizing the FPU heavily, and the R128 mobility M3 (with 8M VRAM) draws 2.0 watts.
of course, it's annoying that the Mac versions of games are generally more expensive here in Finland, and usually harder to find a specific title you're looking for. And, you need to bring Linux down and boot into MacOS to play them, this is just as bad as in the intel world where linux guys need dual-boot setups if they want to play games...
still running a x86? dinosaurs do exist!
Um this woudl be far more interesting if you used the correct 1.4v for the Duron which makes a 600 Mobile Duron have a wattage of 20 (or 21 depending on which way you do the math) & the 700 Mobile Duron uses 24...
A mobile P3 at 800 uses nearly as much as the 600 Duron...
Btw if your overally concerned with heat makes sure your laptop uses an OS that uses HLT... Especially with the Mobile Duron... that could easily lower wattage of the Mobile Duron by 5-7 W...
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Isn't it a wonderful world we live in where processor selection can lead to anal penetration?
The biggest problem that AMD has had was the lack of an all-in-one motherboard support chip to help drive the cost of Duron-equipped systems down. Intel has had such chips for their Celeron line for some time now, which has allowed vendors to create less expensive motherboards that help offset the higher cost of Intel CPUs. Now both SIS and VIA have created such chips for the AMD Thunderbird/Duron CPUs. The chips include:
Video
Sound
Floppy & ATA100 IDE
Keyboard & Mouse ports
56K WinModem
Serial & Parallel ports
USB
Joystick
MIDI
10/100 Ethernet
PCI/RAM/etc. interface.
While mostIntel is in a world of hurt. The Thunderbirds are acknowledged to be superb high-end CPUs at a price that Intel cannot match. The Durons are faster, clock for clock, than the Celerons, and, again, are much cheaper. Now with the low-cost, all-in-one motherboards coming out, I expect AMD to clean up in the low-end home/SOHO replacement system market. With the Mobile Durons, AMD will be putting the squeeze on the Mobile Celerons and I expect that you will see many of these in name-brand laptops -- a market where AMD has done well in the past.
NVidia is building a mobile GeForce 2MX ...
should be in the stores soon(tm)
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I know 25W is somewhat low for current x86 processors, but does anyone know what the power dissapation for, say a mobile 500MHz G4 is? I know the desktop G4's use a lot less power (no need for a cpu fan).
That would be a great combination....the 'GeForce2Go' chips have gotten slagged since their announcement as using too much power, so combine that with a 25 watt 'mobile' Duron and you'll have the first laptop that requires liquid cooling. :)
Note to NVidia fans - if you look at the specs you might think the GeForce2Go only uses a little more power than an equivalent ATI M part....except the M's have integrated VRAM and the GF2G's don't...throw in the external VRAM for the GF2G and it's way out of line.
Is it just me, or is 25W unacceptably high?
Now I might wait to buy my notebook. But the thing I really want is a notebook mobo to support ddr ram for my notebook. I want to work that 200mhz bus out. Anyone know if this is gonna happen?
You'd think that with all the practice you've gotten, you'd at least generate better flamebait. But no. Well, you can still serve as an example of a total failure, I guess.
We should show this to Micro$quish as how things are supposed to be. If you release something with a bug or inferior, you get in trouble.
maybe you would make more sense if you ran Windows 2000.
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This is such an obvious troll I won't even point it out...
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What I want to know is if this and the weekend Sun announcement is gonna make AMD's stock rise tomorrow.
:-)
If so I want to buy a few hundred shares when it opens.
... If only you could switch between, high CPU speed and small usage battery, and slow CPU speed, and high usage battery. So, it would fit the perfect gammer, and the perfect business man, writting up word documents.
Compare the above numbers with that of the StrongARM/XScale technology:
StrongARM @ 233 Mhz consumes 725 mW @ 2.0v.
Intel XScale @ 400 Mhz consumes 500 mW @ 1.0v.
Intel XScale @ 1000 Mhz consumes 1.6 W @ 1.8v.
Any of these processors would turn in very credible performance on a Linux-based system. We've come a long way in the past couple of years. Might it be time to test the market on a non-Windows general purpose computer? How about one that's portable and has respectable battery life?
The success of the Compaq iPaq 3600 speaks volumes for the market for such a device.
... and these today-released mobile duron chips have NO power steppings.
I think intel's way is much better than nothing at all.
But what about the Nubile Morons?
This is *insightful*? There should be some pretermoderation; Moderation is moderated up or down if we think the moderation tag is funny, etc... :)
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Here's what *I'm* curious about.
" >20+ watts</a> as high power. A fast G3 sucks something something like <a href="http://macweek.zdnet.com/2000/06/04/0606newp pcchips.html">4 to 5 watts.</a>
Without being very authoritative, various google searches for <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=watts+g4"> 'watts G4'</a> and <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=watts+g3"> 'watts G3'</a>
It speaks of the G4(non mobile) as sucking up <a href="http://macweb.macol.net/~PowerMacG4Central/
Soooo... Is this hype, or are the PowerPC chips *really* that cool, in comparison? And why are we settling for such power sucking PCs? Are we just that cheap? Or that greedy? In terms of ecological effects (heating and noise), PCs are fine room warmers... but still, that's a side effect we can engineer out, can't we?
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" >20+ watts</a> as high power. A fast G3 sucks something something like <a href="http://macweek.zdnet.com/2000/06/04/0606newp pcchips.html">4 to 5 watts.</a>
Here's what *I'm* curious about.
Without being very authoritative, various google searches for:
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=watts+g4"> 'watts G4'</a>
and
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=watts+g3"> 'watts G3'</a>
It speaks of the G4(non mobile) as sucking up <a href="http://macweb.macol.net/~PowerMacG4Central/
Soooo... Is this hype, or are the PowerPC chips *really* that cool, in comparison? And why are we settling for such power sucking PCs? Are we just that cheap? Or that greedy? In terms of ecological effects (heating and noise), PCs are fine room warmers... but still, that's a side effect we can engineer out, can't we?
I'm sooo tempted to buy an Apple. It would seem powerful *enough*(of course, not the most powerful), and featured, enough, what with Firewire, USB, ethernet and modems, and cool enough, what with Airport antennas, some systems with CD-R and DVD-R, gigabit, etc...
I guess Mac OS X will seal my doom, what with the strength and stability of BSD, the slickness of Aqua, and display pdf...
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Here's what *I'm* curious about.
Without being very authoritative, various google searches for:
'watts G4'
and
'watts G3'
It speaks of the G4(non mobile) as sucking up 20+ watts as high power. A fast G3 sucks something something like 4 to 5 watts.
Soooo... Is this hype, or are the PowerPC chips *really* that cool, in comparison? And why are we settling for such power sucking PCs? Are we just that cheap? Or that greedy? In terms of ecological effects (heating and noise), PCs are fine room warmers... but still, that's a side effect we can engineer out, can't we?
I'm sooo tempted to buy an Apple. It would seem powerful *enough*(of course, not the most powerful), and featured, enough, what with Firewire, USB, ethernet and modems, and cool enough, what with Airport antennas, some systems with CD-R and DVD-R, gigabit, etc...
I guess Mac OS X will seal my doom, what with the strength and stability of BSD, the slickness of Aqua, and display pdf...
Geek dating!
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Why would any want to make a mobile out of Durons?
Now making one out of Durex I could understand, but *Durons*?
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I'm still waiting for a mobile 10+ cpu cray T90 =) By the time it comes out, i may even be able to afford it.
I am !amused.
Now where the hell are the SMP Athlon boards!!! =)
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The article is wrong - the mobile devices don't run at 1.6v. If you look at this page from AMD it's 1.4v. Assuming this is the same core rather than the upcoming Morgan core, then the power consumption should just be scaled down by the square of the suppy voltage. 21 W for the 600 MHz and 24 W for the 700 MHz, based on the power consumptions for the desktop versions.
This is exactly the way it should be happening. With three major companies vyeing(sp?) for the mobile proc market it's great to see how there really can be performance increases. I love the example of how when AMD finally got the Athlon out and running how proc prices have plunged and performance has increased exponentially.
I would consider it well worth the reduced battery life to include some Peltier Devices just for the underside, so I don't go sterile!
AMD is designing a new "morgan" duron core,
which will have PowerNow and ther power-draw-
orientated enchantments too.
But that chip is not yet ready,
so they just lowered the voltage of current duron
from 1.6 to 1.4 V, and added a "mobile"-sticker on it.
It has too big power requireemnts to be a real good mobile part, and I think k6-2+ and k6-III+
are still AMD's mest mobile parts.
We will have to wait a few months until
AMD releases truly mobile palomino and morgan-cored athlons.
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"In fact, it'd be really, really cool and worthy of our notice...if it had more than one mouse button! AW-HAW-HAW-HAW! *snort*"
Don't you mean PROPER mouse buttons?
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Yeah, I know, IHBT, but the Sony PCG-F630 runs on an AMD K6-2 550. Idiot.
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Using your groin as a heatsink is not recommended :P
I wouldn't be too excited about having one of these things blasting my groin with radiation either.
As many others have pointed out the G3 in my particular Powerbook draws anywhere from 5 to 12 watts. I could have a dual G3 Powerbook with the same power requirements as a single Duron chip. On the battery I get a playable framerate with Quake 3 for about two and a half hours. If I were doing work on the battery I get about four hours, five if I really work at it. How do PC notebook makers even compare their supposedly mobile solutions? I can understand desktop replacement class laptops getting shit battery life but how do companies like Dell sell macho laptops that have 59Wh batteries that are lucky to finish a DVD on a single charge (to the defense of all, running your CD/DVD drive really tears up the battery no matter which processor you've got although some more than others). This is probably just the Barcadi and coke talking.
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On the subjet of one-upsmanship, it merits mentioning that the new G4 PowerBooks are a formidable entry into the laptop arena; 5 hours' battery life on a 400-500 mHz ultraslim laptop is nothing to sneeze at.
In fact, it'd be really, really cool and worthy of our notice...if it had more than one mouse button! AW-HAW-HAW-HAW! *snort*
Ahem.
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I'm an AMD fan (and they're hot, so they can use all they can get, HAH! ouch) so I'm glad to see AMD finally getting going on the high end laptop market. For comparison to the 25W and 29W power consumption, here's some Intel mobile power consumption data:
Original Mobile Celeron 266: 5.8 W
Mobile Pentium III @ 650 Mhz 7.9 - 14 W depending on load (speedstep technology)
And previously from AMD:
Mobile K6-II @ 400 mhz: 12 Watts
Mobile K6-III @ 450? mhz: avg. 12 watts probably more.
So again, AMD comes out heavy on the power usage, and probably heat. Unfortunately my Pentium II laptop is already heating my groin area too much when I'm working with it on my lap, don't need another 20 W of power getting transmitted down there.
It's just common sense.
I suppose you -could- always add a hamster wheel in there, to keep them amused.
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Millions of AMD enthusiasts were astounded today when AMD released their new Mobile Duron, code named the Muron (pronounced Moor-On for humor sake).
Spokesman for AMD felt they would really be reaching the type of computer goer needed to get this chip off the ground.
Also launching this very same day is AMD's new marketing campaign... which heralds the slogan a Muron for a Moron.
Immediately after the initial release, several marketing wizards were fired and beaten.
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Hopefully laptop builders will make a performance graphics laptop so that I can finally purchase a laptop and be able to actually play 3d games on it.
Exciting.
Will it be called a Moron?
For the same reason's you'd want to run it on a desktop. Linux can be used as a desktop operating system. There are plenty of office products out there for it, and support for laptops is widespread. Throw "linux on laptops" into a google search and you'll find more info there about installing linux on any model of laptop than you ever would for a particular desktop.
Also, if you are administering Unix machines, X works much better in it's original form than some X clone for win32...
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Mobile Duron + Geeks = Instant Unix!
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Demo'd at Comdex last November, the KT266 supports AMD's Socket A chip interface, connecting the processor to the rest of the world via a 266MHz frontside bus. The chipset supports up to 266MHz DDR (Double Data Rate) SDRAM on the memory side for maximum data throughput rate of 2.1GBps, but will also work with PC-133 SDRAM. It can cope with 4GB of RAM, according to VIA's press release, but only 2GB if the company's Web site is to be believed. Go figure...
In any case I can hardly wait for this technology to also be available for the mobile world. AMD and Via are probably working closely together on this, and it would be nice to see some of this for the road warriors out there.
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