Once this is done (and it looks like we're into the final few minutes of the fourth quarter) there will likely be other attacks on the validity of the Open/Free Source model. Don't think there won't be.
*cough* Microsoft will be around for quite a while yet *cough*
Besides, you're posting on slashdot (Richard at Work) and postulating "lost productivity"? Sorry to tweak you, but the irony there is just a bit thick.:)
"Your honour, you asked us to provide these documents to IBM before the case could continue, however since that ruling we've ammended our suite and would ask that we can push back that date as a result."
IANAL and all that, but isn't this essentially what they did do? Dropping the one case and presenting another somewhat different one? Heise, at least, is certainly trying to play the legal system like a musical instrument. Badly...
From my reading so far, I'd expect a Contempt of Court ruling soon......I can't really back it up, but my read is that the judge got somewhat annoyed with Heise's BS, especially after the "300 million lines" etc comments. Heh. I wonder what a CoC would do to SCO's stock price *grin*
Kudos to IBM standing firm...SQUASH those bastards! (Twenty years ago I would have taken cyanide before saying this, but "Go IBM!"):)
If IBM acquired SCO's IP (and if Novell was nice enough to just let it go without a fight, which I suspect they might be) then IBM might just opensource it to get the monkey off their back.
One thing I know is: the IBM of today is not *anything* like the IBM of twenty years ago (and I remember those days all too well:) It's not "the enemy of my enemy if my friend" it's more like "my enemy is making amends and has become my friend".
"and even though the print-run (which sold out very quickly!) though generous by science fiction standards, hardly qualifies it as a work of mass entertainment.
The thing that's extraordinary about that first novel is that it was released under terms governed by a Creative Commons license that allowed my readers to copy the book freely and distribute it far and wide. Hundreds of thousands of copies of the book were made and distributed this way. Hundreds of thousands. "
I think this shows that *sheer interest* in his book was high, even if not everyone was willing to buy it. He made some money anyway. For a writer, that's the best high there is. People liked his book enough to try it, and some liked it enough to buy it.
There is, and will be for an indeterminate amount of time, people who prefer a physical book to an electronic one. I'm one - but my budget simply doesn't support buying all the books I'd like to (I have thousands already, and my storage needs for them are exceeding my budget/space, as well).
My point here, as Baen books has been finding, is that the free advertising works. It's more or less the same principle as playing songs on the radio is - give samples, or more, and the exposure is the best advertising.
Remember, that even if he decides to publish his next book or two, or three, in physical format, that he has established a reader base that guarantees they will sell. I for one would prefer that he sticks to both formats. I'll be buying his latest book in physical form now that I've heard of it - the local bookstore hadn't.
I first caught the link to Elliott's site thru Pournelle's weblog; Pournelle commented that although his novel "Fallen Angels" has been available for free for quite a while, the novel is still in print, and still selling well.
I think it's fantastic of Mr. Ellliott/Doctorow to be willing to try this experiment, especially considering that his publisher is Tor (they've been pretty decent with him about this, from what I read at his site).
The upshot is that web publishing is going to eventually stomp paper publishing. I don't really care either way; I enjoy paper books - and own quite a few - but also enjoy being able to store a lot of books on the laptop for traveling.
My point is that no matter how much litigation goes on, or how much DRM is introduced, that free electron publishing (and copying) is here to stay. A new business model has to be developed. You could call Tim/Cory an experimenter in the forefront of the new publishing paradigm...I just call him intelligent and willing to take risks:)
Most hardware stores don't carry screws that length because they aren't in demand (except among computer junkies and other hobbyists:)
I know, I work at one, in Inventory Control.
That said, they *can* get them; but it's special order, and generally you'll have to order a box of them (typically 100). A lot depends on which store you're dealing with, and which nuts&bolts catalog they order from.
Try Ace HW or Coast-Coast. talk to the manager/owner if the employee doesn't know.
It's the obligatory extra, dummy. Sometimes they include it, sometimes they don't.
It's a conspiracy with no other objective than to fuck with your head:) Anyone who's ever assembled kid's toys or Sauder furniture from Walmart knows that.
On the one hand,the contact areas around the screw holes isn't typically (with one or two exceptions) connected to anything on the board, much less the board ground. That tells me that it's not that important.
OTOH, why would the engineers (at the additional cost/board, small, but still there) include the extra traces on the board?
I've always made sure the board was grounded thru at least one screw; even in the old plastic riser days. It's been nearly twenty years since I built a 8086 clone, I can't remember if the mobo mounts were grounded or not.
with too much solder so that the screw will angle as it gets tightened, so that it rubs against the PCB board (which voids the warranty).
Hrmmm....shouldn't that be a manufacturer defect? Even if one is using washers, if the screw rubs against anything conductive on the board the conductive part is just a *little* too close to the screw...using (Asus's?) reasoning...
Anyone have any real info on this? I'm not a EE/board designer.
I, too, have built many hundreds of systems, never had a problem (although I have have had problems with systems I assembled onbench that had no mobo to case ground, in particular with older 486 sys and ISA cards not working until the mobo was grounded). To make it clear, those sys were put together on a rubber mat, with no case, and occasionally (especially with video cards) the system wouldn't boot until I made sure the board was grounded with a wire between a board mount and the power supply case).
Needless to say, I don't do that anymore:)
Wow, talk about YMMV:) this is the first time I've seen this discussed on/.:)
A note: 1/4" screws of any size/thread are generally not available at your local hardware store anymore. There may be exceptions - I'm aware of a few - but most of the time they are not a high sales item, so they are probably not stocked. Ask at the store; they can probably get them, but you'll have to order a box (typically a 100/box).
WRT to washers, however, you can substitute rubber washers, which in my experience are available in those sizes at most hardware stores with a decent nuts/bolts section. Again, ask if they aren't. Nearly all the catalogs carry them (in particular the Hillman catalogs), but it's a matter of stock space vs. sales for the particular store.
Rubber washers also have the advantage of being more vibration resistant - that is, they provide more of a buffer between the mounted drive and the case. I use them on all my hard drive and cdrom mounts (and often on fan mounts) and they also tend to reduce vibrational noise somewhat. (every little bit helps:) Use rubber washers on both sides of the screw (between the screw head and between the drive and the case partition). This may require a longer screw - 3/8" is a good size, depending on the washer. A lock washer is not a bad idea to fill the extra if the 3/8" is too long - the lock washer also guarantees that you won't lose the tension on the rubber washers that provides you with vibration noise reduction.
It's easiest just to buy the screws and washers in bulk and not mess with all the different weird screws you'll ordinarily get though.
Excellent advice, especially when it's 4AM and you're one screw short:)
Just my experience, but my ex-SO couldn't stand the noise, so....
Man, you wouldn't *believe* how many times I've run across screws that were literally forced into the wrong holes (cross threaded or wrong threads, or wrong size). I don't own a full tap set for nothing.
You're assuming that a lot of these kids^H^H^H^H people screwing^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H assembling boxes know what cross threading a screw even means, much less what it feels like. I currently work in a hardware store, in addition to fixing machines in my spare time, and I've seen and heard it all too often.
It's not something that you can teach over the Internet; it needs hands-on (Note to Self: cut the jokes already) teaching.
Seriously tho:
My feeling (after fixing so many MCSE^H^H^H^H inexperienced screwups), is that if someone can't even figure out which screws will fit properly then they probably have no business whatsoever assembling a whole machine inside a case (installing components that mount to the case is the *easy* part, fer crying out loud! )/rant:):)
I just had to get that off my chest...dammit, it's hard to be serious about this when you're giggling constantly *grin*
Yeah, we all learn somewhere. I understand that. But at least *ask* someone before you muck up $80 of hardware? (then try to return it) - I know many techs aren't willing to spend the time, but there are others who are. (as a side note, it's amazing how much more people listen to a hardware guy vs. how they listen to a computer tech. It's been enlightening, sad, and infuriating at the same time)
Note: This is one of those subjects that there will never, ever be agreement on. So be it. Twenty years ago I was rethreading spark plug ports, and for the same reason.
This one is going to backfire badly on Microsoft. I can imagine the outraged screaming that will be going on among a lot of techs over the next few weeks....
My first thought on seeing the username/password thing. I can just imagine how many users running autoupdate are going to find themselves not able to go to some of their pages.
Sheesh. The Mozilla team managed to *fix* this bug without removing that functionality (it wasn't even a security problem with Mozilla, in the first place, just an annoyance).
Why can't Microsoft fix it properly, with all their highly paid programmers? Rhetorical, I know.
(Funnily enough, I accidentally installed it to the 384mb swap partition. They really do mean 'damn small';-)
Heh. They sure do. I used the 50mb image to run linux on my old 486 laptop (put the image within the fat partition and booted via the floppy:)
DSL is sure useful. BTW, you don't actually need to install it, just having the "Knoppix" image on the drive you can boot it using floppy or cdrom. 50mb. Heh:)
WRT to knoppix and X, try changing the fb resolution. I'm not sure how knoppix sets up it's X resolutions, as on the main machine install of knoppix I've not had any luck adding resolutions to the XF86Config-4 file either. It's a minor annoyance, so I've tabled it for the time being. *Frustration* I want my 1280x1024:) Suspect it's somewhere in all the config files, but know not where.
booting from the gentoo Live CD with 'nofb noX' (so I can read the screen!) gives me a 'CD not found' error
Ouch. That does sound like a bug. I've not tried it that way. I'd suggest posting that and any relevant info to the Gentoo install forum. Might be someone there who can suggest something or confirm a bug.
Have you tried just "nofb"?
Some 24x cdroms (I ran into a few) couldn't handle burned CDs. It's been several years, but I distinctly remember having at least two of them (trashed once I bought newer ones). Sigh. IIRC it was firmware problems.
Not sure who makes the cdrom pack that comes with the HiNote. Probably be damned hard to find out. It may or may not have similar probs. IIRC burning at lower speed didn't solve things, it was the media I was using (cheap 100 disc packs; using a better quality cd helped, sometimes...). Of course the 100disc packs I was getting wholesale had from 3-8 CDs or so turn out defective, so YMMV:)
Good luck with the install. I only have the 2GB HD it came with until I can afford another one, and that's not enough space for a stage3 compile. Sigh. Debian works OK on the laptop (with some tweaking) but I'd rather have Gentoo to complement my other machine. Then again, I hosed my Gentoo install last week so I'm running Debian on the big box until I find the motivation to fix it *grin*. One thing that ticks me off, however, is that making distcc work with debian/gentoo is a major PITA.
Good Luck. Let me know how it went. I believe my email is elsewhere in this thread, if you like.
You must have gotten off work about the same time I did:) MST, by any chance?
Yes, the panel can only do 800x600; the vidchip can do 1024x768 on an external monitor. Not a bug, all those cds boot up that way, they see the vidchip capabilities and use them.
Here's the cheatcode for knoppix; at the boot: prompt type
knoppix screen=800x600
Here's the cheatcodes list:
http://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/knoppix-che at codes.txt
You might try copying the Knoppix image to the HD and boot from it (see the cheatcodes; you can do this from a floppy, too). Might help with the cdrom errors. It's also possible the cdrom can't read the disks you burned properly - I've run into that with older cdroms before on certain cd media, especially silverback disks (blueback disks seem to work much better)
A side note: I have a small partition on my laptop with Damn Small Linux on it; DSL is a cut-down knoppix, so I know it works. I did a network install of it, tho (booted a floppy with the network drivers and copied the image)
The loopback errors are strange. Are you sure all the RAM is good? *scratches head* what was the relevant error text? I'm not a guru but I might have an idea (with Google's help:)
Gentoo is a little more limited, and I don't have the hard drive space to attempt it (shame, I like Gentoo+distcc:). Mandrake I don't even bother to try with older laptops. Debian, of course, installs on *everything* *grin* and although it's a PITA to configure devices, you would definitely be able to install it (it's what's on mine).
Alas, cs4236 didn't work for me...not sure if I'm setting it up correctly, or not. Going to take another shot at it tonite or tomorrow (damn work anyway:)
Odd that DSL wouldn't work with USB for you - it did here (well, a USB mouse, anyway - which is nice, as the touchpad on mine sucks, it works, but it's, um, touchy:)
I have the day off, gonna take another shot at the sound drivers. I might even try to install Mandrake...
Thanks, I'll give the Crystal drivers a try. Not very useful, but hey, it's something to try.
Everything I've seen indicated it's some kind of SB16 compat chipset, but nothing I've done works. It's damned hard to find solid info on this laptop....sigh. That's too bad, it's a nice laptop. I may just try to install Mandrake on it, after imaging the Debian install; I'm curious as to whether or not Mandrake's autodetect will recogonize the chip. Alas, I don't have a cdrom, so I can't boot a knoppix cd, which might have helped.
Thanks for the info on the large drive; I was wondering about that.
If you have any luck with the sound drivers, email me
I don't run Gnome, so I can't comment on experiences under it. But wrt to music/video playing, I've actually noticed much better performance with 2.6.
I wonder if it might make a difference if you recompiled the apps in question? It sounds like a userspace problem, assuming you haven't seen any other oddities. Do you experience the same thing in other terms? That might at least localize it - I suspect it's probably userspace code, but IANAKernelDev:)
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Once this is done (and it looks like we're into the final few minutes of the fourth quarter) there will likely be other attacks on the validity of the Open/Free Source model. Don't think there won't be.
:)
*cough* Microsoft will be around for quite a while yet *cough*
Besides, you're posting on slashdot (Richard at Work) and postulating "lost productivity"? Sorry to tweak you, but the irony there is just a bit thick.
SB
Oh, bloody :)
:) Oh, yeah, the preview button...
RWV: Now you've done it, you've slashdotted the court system! Nmphf!
Ooops
SB
"Your honour, you asked us to provide these documents to IBM before the case could continue, however since that ruling we've ammended our suite and would ask that we can push back that date as a result."
:)
IANAL and all that, but isn't this essentially what they did do? Dropping the one case and presenting another somewhat different one? Heise, at least, is certainly trying to play the legal system like a musical instrument. Badly...
From my reading so far, I'd expect a Contempt of Court ruling soon......I can't really back it up, but my read is that the judge got somewhat annoyed with Heise's BS, especially after the "300 million lines" etc comments. Heh. I wonder what a CoC would do to SCO's stock price *grin*
Kudos to IBM standing firm...SQUASH those bastards! (Twenty years ago I would have taken cyanide before saying this, but "Go IBM!")
Holy Jebus, how times change...
SB
>Robin Williams Voice/RWV
SB
If IBM acquired SCO's IP (and if Novell was nice enough to just let it go without a fight, which I suspect they might be) then IBM might just opensource it to get the monkey off their back.
One thing I know is: the IBM of today is not *anything* like the IBM of twenty years ago (and I remember those days all too well
Go IBM! Stomp those SCO pussies!
SB
So is checking books out from the library.
Back before the internet, I sampled most books this way. I still own most of the ones I liked.
Because I *could* sample them first, I didn't buy the ones I didn't like, and had more money to spend on books I *did like*.
So what was your point again?
SB
He's aware of that.
quote from his website:
"and even though the print-run (which sold out very quickly!) though generous by science fiction standards, hardly qualifies it as a work of mass entertainment.
The thing that's extraordinary about that first novel is that it was released under terms governed by a Creative Commons license that allowed my readers to copy the book freely and distribute it far and wide. Hundreds of thousands of copies of the book were made and distributed this way. Hundreds of thousands. "
I think this shows that *sheer interest* in his book was high, even if not everyone was willing to buy it. He made some money anyway. For a writer, that's the best high there is. People liked his book enough to try it, and some liked it enough to buy it.
There is, and will be for an indeterminate amount of time, people who prefer a physical book to an electronic one. I'm one - but my budget simply doesn't support buying all the books I'd like to (I have thousands already, and my storage needs for them are exceeding my budget/space, as well).
My point here, as Baen books has been finding, is that the free advertising works. It's more or less the same principle as playing songs on the radio is - give samples, or more, and the exposure is the best advertising.
Remember, that even if he decides to publish his next book or two, or three, in physical format, that he has established a reader base that guarantees they will sell. I for one would prefer that he sticks to both formats. I'll be buying his latest book in physical form now that I've heard of it - the local bookstore hadn't.
SB
I first caught the link to Elliott's site thru Pournelle's weblog; Pournelle commented that although his novel "Fallen Angels" has been available for free for quite a while, the novel is still in print, and still selling well.
:)
I think it's fantastic of Mr. Ellliott/Doctorow to be willing to try this experiment, especially considering that his publisher is Tor (they've been pretty decent with him about this, from what I read at his site).
The upshot is that web publishing is going to eventually stomp paper publishing. I don't really care either way; I enjoy paper books - and own quite a few - but also enjoy being able to store a lot of books on the laptop for traveling.
My point is that no matter how much litigation goes on, or how much DRM is introduced, that free electron publishing (and copying) is here to stay. A new business model has to be developed. You could call Tim/Cory an experimenter in the forefront of the new publishing paradigm...I just call him intelligent and willing to take risks
SB
You're right, they *are* grounded (at least they're connected to each other, as a meter between several screw holes showed).
:)
I kind of always assumed they were; now I know
SB
Yes, modern computer PCBs have many layers.
If there are unintended connections between the critical traces and the mounting hole, then that mobo is and/or defective/badly manufactered.
SB
*tongue firmly in cheek*
Knowledge is dangerous
Sharing it can get you killed^H^H^H^H^H^H slashdotted *grinning*
Good luck.
SB
Most hardware stores don't carry screws that length because they aren't in demand (except among computer junkies and other hobbyists :)
I know, I work at one, in Inventory Control.
That said, they *can* get them; but it's special order, and generally you'll have to order a box of them (typically 100). A lot depends on which store you're dealing with, and which nuts&bolts catalog they order from.
Try Ace HW or Coast-Coast. talk to the manager/owner if the employee doesn't know.
SB
Screw extractors are so useful, aren't they? :)
SB
MCSE in training
SB
It's the obligatory extra, dummy. Sometimes they include it, sometimes they don't.
:) Anyone who's ever assembled kid's toys or Sauder furniture from Walmart knows that.
It's a conspiracy with no other objective than to fuck with your head
SB
I wonder about that.
:)
:) this is the first time I've seen this discussed on /. :)
On the one hand,the contact areas around the screw holes isn't typically (with one or two exceptions) connected to anything on the board, much less the board ground. That tells me that it's not that important.
OTOH, why would the engineers (at the additional cost/board, small, but still there) include the extra traces on the board?
I've always made sure the board was grounded thru at least one screw; even in the old plastic riser days. It's been nearly twenty years since I built a 8086 clone, I can't remember if the mobo mounts were grounded or not.
with too much solder so that the screw will angle as it gets tightened, so that it rubs against the PCB board (which voids the warranty).
Hrmmm....shouldn't that be a manufacturer defect? Even if one is using washers, if the screw rubs against anything conductive on the board the conductive part is just a *little* too close to the screw...using (Asus's?) reasoning...
Anyone have any real info on this? I'm not a EE/board designer.
I, too, have built many hundreds of systems, never had a problem (although I have have had problems with systems I assembled onbench that had no mobo to case ground, in particular with older 486 sys and ISA cards not working until the mobo was grounded). To make it clear, those sys were put together on a rubber mat, with no case, and occasionally (especially with video cards) the system wouldn't boot until I made sure the board was grounded with a wire between a board mount and the power supply case).
Needless to say, I don't do that anymore
Wow, talk about YMMV
SB
EXCELLENT post.
:) Use rubber washers on both sides of the screw (between the screw head and between the drive and the case partition). This may require a longer screw - 3/8" is a good size, depending on the washer. A lock washer is not a bad idea to fill the extra if the 3/8" is too long - the lock washer also guarantees that you won't lose the tension on the rubber washers that provides you with vibration noise reduction.
:)
A note: 1/4" screws of any size/thread are generally not available at your local hardware store anymore. There may be exceptions - I'm aware of a few - but most of the time they are not a high sales item, so they are probably not stocked. Ask at the store; they can probably get them, but you'll have to order a box (typically a 100/box).
WRT to washers, however, you can substitute rubber washers, which in my experience are available in those sizes at most hardware stores with a decent nuts/bolts section. Again, ask if they aren't. Nearly all the catalogs carry them (in particular the Hillman catalogs), but it's a matter of stock space vs. sales for the particular store.
Rubber washers also have the advantage of being more vibration resistant - that is, they provide more of a buffer between the mounted drive and the case. I use them on all my hard drive and cdrom mounts (and often on fan mounts) and they also tend to reduce vibrational noise somewhat. (every little bit helps
It's easiest just to buy the screws and washers in bulk and not mess with all the different weird screws you'll ordinarily get though.
Excellent advice, especially when it's 4AM and you're one screw short
Just my experience, but my ex-SO couldn't stand the noise, so....
SB
Well said!, yes, but :)
/rant :) :)
;)
;)
If it feels wrong, it's wrong, don't force it.
Man, you wouldn't *believe* how many times I've run across screws that were literally forced into the wrong holes (cross threaded or wrong threads, or wrong size). I don't own a full tap set for nothing.
You're assuming that a lot of these kids^H^H^H^H people screwing^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H assembling boxes know what cross threading a screw even means, much less what it feels like. I currently work in a hardware store, in addition to fixing machines in my spare time, and I've seen and heard it all too often.
It's not something that you can teach over the Internet; it needs hands-on (Note to Self: cut the jokes already) teaching.
Seriously tho:
My feeling (after fixing so many MCSE^H^H^H^H inexperienced screwups), is that if someone can't even figure out which screws will fit properly then they probably have no business whatsoever assembling a whole machine inside a case (installing components that mount to the case is the *easy* part, fer crying out loud! )
I just had to get that off my chest...dammit, it's hard to be serious about this when you're giggling constantly *grin*
Yeah, we all learn somewhere. I understand that. But at least *ask* someone before you muck up $80 of hardware? (then try to return it) - I know many techs aren't willing to spend the time, but there are others who are. (as a side note, it's amazing how much more people listen to a hardware guy vs. how they listen to a computer tech. It's been enlightening, sad, and infuriating at the same time)
Note: This is one of those subjects that there will never, ever be agreement on. So be it. Twenty years ago I was rethreading spark plug ports, and for the same reason.
It should be applied to ANY screwing you do
Especially the kind that can result in fork()
SB
Thanks for the info.
This one is going to backfire badly on Microsoft. I can imagine the outraged screaming that will be going on among a lot of techs over the next few weeks....
My first thought on seeing the username/password thing. I can just imagine how many users running autoupdate are going to find themselves not able to go to some of their pages.
Sheesh. The Mozilla team managed to *fix* this bug without removing that functionality (it wasn't even a security problem with Mozilla, in the first place, just an annoyance).
Why can't Microsoft fix it properly, with all their highly paid programmers? Rhetorical, I know.
SB
Good morning
Yup, the forums there are great.
Cheers
SB
(Funnily enough, I accidentally installed it to the 384mb swap partition. They really do mean 'damn small' ;-)
:) :) :) Suspect it's somewhere in all the config files, but know not where.
:)
:) MST, by any chance?
Heh. They sure do. I used the 50mb image to run linux on my old 486 laptop (put the image within the fat partition and booted via the floppy
DSL is sure useful. BTW, you don't actually need to install it, just having the "Knoppix" image on the drive you can boot it using floppy or cdrom. 50mb. Heh
WRT to knoppix and X, try changing the fb resolution. I'm not sure how knoppix sets up it's X resolutions, as on the main machine install of knoppix I've not had any luck adding resolutions to the XF86Config-4 file either. It's a minor annoyance, so I've tabled it for the time being. *Frustration* I want my 1280x1024
booting from the gentoo Live CD with 'nofb noX' (so I can read the screen!) gives me a 'CD not found' error
Ouch. That does sound like a bug. I've not tried it that way. I'd suggest posting that and any relevant info to the Gentoo install forum. Might be someone there who can suggest something or confirm a bug.
Have you tried just "nofb"?
Some 24x cdroms (I ran into a few) couldn't handle burned CDs. It's been several years, but I distinctly remember having at least two of them (trashed once I bought newer ones). Sigh. IIRC it was firmware problems.
Not sure who makes the cdrom pack that comes with the HiNote. Probably be damned hard to find out. It may or may not have similar probs. IIRC burning at lower speed didn't solve things, it was the media I was using (cheap 100 disc packs; using a better quality cd helped, sometimes...). Of course the 100disc packs I was getting wholesale had from 3-8 CDs or so turn out defective, so YMMV
Good luck with the install. I only have the 2GB HD it came with until I can afford another one, and that's not enough space for a stage3 compile. Sigh. Debian works OK on the laptop (with some tweaking) but I'd rather have Gentoo to complement my other machine. Then again, I hosed my Gentoo install last week so I'm running Debian on the big box until I find the motivation to fix it *grin*. One thing that ticks me off, however, is that making distcc work with debian/gentoo is a major PITA.
Good Luck. Let me know how it went. I believe my email is elsewhere in this thread, if you like.
You must have gotten off work about the same time I did
Cheers
SB
Check out the Knoppix Cheatcodes.
e at codes.txt
:)
:). Mandrake I don't even bother to try with older laptops. Debian, of course, installs on *everything* *grin* and although it's a PITA to configure devices, you would definitely be able to install it (it's what's on mine).
:)
Yes, the panel can only do 800x600; the vidchip can do 1024x768 on an external monitor. Not a bug, all those cds boot up that way, they see the vidchip capabilities and use them.
Here's the cheatcode for knoppix; at the boot: prompt type
knoppix screen=800x600
Here's the cheatcodes list:
http://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/knoppix-ch
You might try copying the Knoppix image to the HD and boot from it (see the cheatcodes; you can do this from a floppy, too). Might help with the cdrom errors. It's also possible the cdrom can't read the disks you burned properly - I've run into that with older cdroms before on certain cd media, especially silverback disks (blueback disks seem to work much better)
A side note: I have a small partition on my laptop with Damn Small Linux on it; DSL is a cut-down knoppix, so I know it works. I did a network install of it, tho (booted a floppy with the network drivers and copied the image)
The loopback errors are strange. Are you sure all the RAM is good? *scratches head* what was the relevant error text? I'm not a guru but I might have an idea (with Google's help
Gentoo is a little more limited, and I don't have the hard drive space to attempt it (shame, I like Gentoo+distcc
Alas, cs4236 didn't work for me...not sure if I'm setting it up correctly, or not. Going to take another shot at it tonite or tomorrow (damn work anyway
Hope this helps.
Cheers
SB
32Gig limit would make sense.
Odd that DSL wouldn't work with USB for you - it did here (well, a USB mouse, anyway - which is nice, as the touchpad on mine sucks, it works, but it's, um, touchy
I have the day off, gonna take another shot at the sound drivers. I might even try to install Mandrake...
Cheers
SB
Thanks, I'll give the Crystal drivers a try. Not very useful, but hey, it's something to try.
Everything I've seen indicated it's some kind of SB16 compat chipset, but nothing I've done works. It's damned hard to find solid info on this laptop....sigh. That's too bad, it's a nice laptop. I may just try to install Mandrake on it, after imaging the Debian install; I'm curious as to whether or not Mandrake's autodetect will recogonize the chip. Alas, I don't have a cdrom, so I can't boot a knoppix cd, which might have helped.
Thanks for the info on the large drive; I was wondering about that.
If you have any luck with the sound drivers, email me
andyg at SCOSUCKS spe midco net
SB
I don't run Gnome, so I can't comment on experiences under it. But wrt to music/video playing, I've actually noticed much better performance with 2.6.
I wonder if it might make a difference if you recompiled the apps in question? It sounds like a userspace problem, assuming you haven't seen any other oddities. Do you experience the same thing in other terms? That might at least localize it - I suspect it's probably userspace code, but IANAKernelDev
Just a thought.
Cheers
SB