Yes, but from how I understand it, I believe they are reffering to the lack of having to actually SET UP a card. In other words, no IRQs or I/O addresses to set up.
Then again, maybe not, i'm not sure to be honest:)
Grab a cluestick. Maybe because there are things out there BETTER than MPEG? The sorensen codec is kickass for quality and file size.
First off the "Grab a cluestick" was TOTALLY unneccessary, if i knew the answers I would not have been asking now would I?:) Second of all, can you provide some statistics on that? I would be curious as to know/how/ kick ass it was. Is there a good site comparing codecs?
qt2mpeg would imply that you could decode the qt - so why not just play it back anyway....
Good point.....;)
clue #2. Making a GOOD codec is NOT something that you're going to whip up over the weekend. This is something that is based on YEARS of signal processing and perceptual research.
Upon the shoulders of giants.... That research has ALREADY been done...can we not work off of that?
Gak. I'm all for open source and write a lot of it myself, but people who assume that everything is _SIMPLE_ and _EASY_ drive me nut
Did I ever say it was/simple/ or/easy/? If being simple and easy are core requirements for doing anything then we might as well stay in bed. Hell let's do it/because/ it's hard.
All in all though, thanks for the reply, it did clear up some points for me.:)
Why bother with Quicktime? This is a serious question...what is preventing us from using MPEG? Is there a qt2mpeg converter? What's stopping someone from writing one? Or for that matter why not just develop our OWN codec, free to the public and make/it/ the standard?
The article about Stephen King linked on the story is a MUST read, it brings up some very good point that show us/why/ the DMCA is such a scary, frightening thing.
We hardly have any rights under current copyright law as it is. And the DMCA is just trying to take away that little bit that's left....
Okay, if Ticketmaster.com, the web version of a larger corporate business, is an "open site", then what is a closed site? Intranet?
An open site is ANY site put out on the net, so yes you got it, a closed site is the Intranet, if you don't want to deal with the people in your town then don't leave your house.:) That's the way it is.
And what's this "free internet community"? Everytime the Internet community tries to get something for free (ie. mp3) there's a big hullabaloo and somebody gets sued. Twice.
Free as in speech not beer.:)
And who says Tickemaster.com is a member of *any* community? They're a business, they want to make money, not talk with people.
Ticketmaster.com is most assuredly a memeber of a community. Any group of people in a single place can be considered a community and business help make that community. You might as well try to get away with saying that Churches want to save souls not talk to people.
Also I've never read any "rules" about hyperlinking, and doubt any exist.
There is such a thing as "Common Law" and Common Law says that you are able to link to ANY sites freely and are in fact incouraged to do so. I wonder how many of ticket.com's customers decided to poke around ticketmaster.com's site after they were taken to it. Quite a number I bet.
A good court ruling, a really, really dopey quote at the end.
''They are an open site and are a member of the free Internet community,'' Tickets.com attorney Daniel Harris said of Ticketmaster. ''They have to live by the rules of that community as it has grown up.''
If only/all/ companies and individuals that join our `little' world would abide by that simple statement all our grief and woe would be unheard of. That's the way it's suppose to be, no?
ObOnTopicPost:
This is a very good thing IMHO has it vindicates the way hypertext and the net is set up. Free form, stream of thought linking. Make that illegal and our whole net falls apart.
This is most certainly the end of the world^H^H^H^H^Hnet as we know it. This is because we are reactive and not proactive. Little by little, year by year our rights are taken away. The net just happens to be one of the most visible places this is happening right now.
What we really need to do is start being proactive, the protest in Washington was a good start...but it was TWO YEARS after the law passed, we need to be getting on top of these things quicker. We need a good clearing house of information. A YRO newsletter or something similar would probably do the trick. But even why they are attempting to attack the freedom that has been the Internet.
Don't forget that this wonderful network of networks was formed on Open Standards. What is too stop us from hooking up just our computers with TCP/IP and forming the GeekNET? Why...nothing of course, and it would be out of touch from Government Regulations. A PRIVATELY funded network ( And to be honest I thought that was what the internet/was/, given How [D]ARPA was no longer in charge of it ) would be entirely out of reach of any governmental control. Sure, we might loose the high speeds, the nifty graphics, the e-commerce sites, yadda yadda, but the FREE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION would still be there.
This wonderful thing that we all have access to is/not/ about copyrights, patents, Movies, or even Operation Systems. It is about the natural right of our thoughts and ideas to be dissemnted to however many people we want. The idea of a seperate network appeals to me, maybe I'm sounding "old fasioned" or even "nostaligic" but I miss the days before "The Web" where USENET ruled and the command line was king. We IDEAS and not IMAGES were what was absorbed. Why not go back to that?
Ah well, I'm rambling now so I'll go, but I'll leave with this last thought: The Internet is in many ways an organic being, with that there is bound to be change, and eventually it will die. What we need is to produce offspring to ensure it's existince. And with that I am out.
Picture, if you will, Bill Gates and Judge Jackson...embracing on the steps of the Justice Building...shaking hands as Gates hands him one of those HUGE checks ( the photo op kind ), and as the camera zooms in we see the amount....$1. Jackson and Gates shake hands and a few speeches are made and everyone goes home. *sigh*
Just how well do you and the KDE guys REALLY get along....don't you GNOME people ever just want to get together all the Nerf gear you can and stage an all out war?
Seriously though, how much communication really does go on between the two camps? I would imagine at least some must if you and the KDE camp are to maintain interoperatability.
Okay, I'll accept this. I would likely have fewer problems with MS if they were never a Corporation to begin with, as it most likely never could have gotten so big anyway. But given as how this is the real world, that isn't the case.
That it is the case doesn't make it right. I am not talking about MSFT/becoming/ a corporation, my objection has to do with them geting perks/because/ they are a corporation. Companys/should/ ONLY have the same rights awarded to individuals.
My objection to MS's behavior stands.
Really now:) No where did I condone their behavior.
And while a private suit could have technically achieved the same end, it's well known by now that the party with the most money is increasingly favored - not the one who deserves justice. This isn't as much of a consideration for the govt. And they're having quite a lot of success as compared to the private cases, which are proceeding much more slowly. Justice delayed is justice denied....
agreed 100% doesn't mean i have to like it though:) and while i/do/ like i guess it's just that I wish it didn't HAVE to be this way
MS wouldn't have all of the perks of being a corporation if not for the government
Exactly why the less government involvement the better.
I have no sympathy for people that expect to get away with breakin' the law.
Agreed, hence the "It's up to the courts to decide". IMHO the US Government should never have been involved in the first place. A private suit could achive the same end. But big brother has a bigger stick eh? *sigh*
Not that i won't be laughing when MS gets spanked don't get me wrong:)
But still...it's not the mistakes that bother me, it's the...fixing them with out acknowledging them. The feeling of "What misspelled word?" *click click click" "I see no misspelled word here".
This will probably get moderated down...but...does it annoy anyone else when the/. editors et. al. make changes to the page and fail to make any note of it? The head line use to read Posting to Linux now reads Porting to Linux.....just an "Opps I made a mistake" update would be nice....ah well...
And yet methinks perhaps the article should have been moderated "Reduntant". This is all things we have heard before. In fact most of it sounds word for word exactly like other "linux virus" posts we've seen here. We all know it's harder to infect Linux/Unix, but they are open to other, more isidious ailments. The "Great Internet Worm" didn't infect windows machines, hell there were NO windows machines when it came out, and it brought the net to it's knees. Every environment has it's weakness, viruses just happen to NOT be one of Linux's.
eh...that was rambleing...note to self, don't take support calls and post to slashdot at the same time...
Hehe, you do have some good Points. But i don't believe this warrants anticompetitve lawsuits from the goverment.
Well that was, and is, up to the courts to decide. In my opinion I would agree, the less government involvment the better.
Wine is a great project, but only came about as a means for linux to emulate the windows environment to run the windows applications. Wine by no means was a commercial effort to compete against windows or microsoft.
Exactly:) ( think about it....That was my point to a 'T' )
As far as closed API's has anyone ever tried writing a competing product to Oracle RDBMS that is compatible? Nope, can't be done, but dowe Sue Oracle for that? I mean have you seen there new licensing schemes and how they rape the consumer?
Nope, but in all fairness, there is many more Databasing programs out there then Oracle with much more open standards ( sorry, examples escape me, not up on that I admit )
How about Novell, do we get to sue them because nobody could make a compatible product? Weren't they the cause of the downfall of that good ol' company that made Banyan Vines and lantastic? Is it my right to sue Novell for that?
You're not, and we're not suing Microsoft, the US Government is. Let me just finish by saying I agree the government is sticking it's nose where it don't belong. We are comrads in arms in that respect. But I do not believe Microsoft is without fault, I just don't think it's the government's place to spank 'em.
First of all, let me just say that that was a very well thought out post, and very well spoken. There's just one point I'd like to discuss..it's when you say here:
Microsoft has NEVER prevented anyone from making a compatible system, had they done that it would have been anticompetitve
This right here....this is exactly what they HAVE done. This is the whole crux of most of our feelings behind Microsoft. Why has WINE been in development so long and still can't run 80% of the software out there ( Disclaimer: Percentage exactly unknown, last time I checked though it was still a large amount of software that either didn't run or was buggy ). In fact you back this up later on in your post with:
Sure it may not be an OPEN standard, but gee golly sir when i go to the story and there is 400 games and 1000s of applications i can run on my computer. THAT IS A STANDARD!
A closed specification ( or "Standard" ) is meant for one thing....to prevent compatibility, so you can be the only kid on the block with those nifty APIs. Which change...from release to releast from Service Pack to Service Pack. Now I'm not making any kind of suggestion on how evil Microsoft is, or what should be done to punish them. But I/do/ think they try to prevent others from being able to interface to Windows in a fully compatible, open way. Full Disclouser of all Windows APIs and Protocols would be, in my opinon a very satisfactory resolution to this whole mess.
Ah well, thanks for listening, and again, nice post:)
Well, Cleveland, OHs NPR Radio station is 90.3FM and it might be better....i'm always picking up Canadian stations here....might as well give that one a whirl:)
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I was referring to PCI NIC cards on a PC :)
No, but they still HAVE IRQs and I/O adresses which can conflict with other devcies...no?
Yes, but from how I understand it, I believe they are reffering to the lack of having to actually SET UP a card. In other words, no IRQs or I/O addresses to set up.
:)
Then again, maybe not, i'm not sure to be honest
Maybe I should have said "a" standard instead of "the" standard :)
Grab a cluestick. Maybe because there are things out there BETTER than MPEG? The sorensen codec is kickass for quality and file size.
:) Second of all, can you provide some statistics on that? I would be curious as to know /how/ kick ass it was. Is there a good site comparing codecs?
/simple/ or /easy/? If being simple and easy are core requirements for doing anything then we might as well stay in bed. Hell let's do it /because/ it's hard.
:)
First off the "Grab a cluestick" was TOTALLY unneccessary, if i knew the answers I would not have been asking now would I?
qt2mpeg would imply that you could decode the qt - so why not just play it back anyway....
Good point.....;)
clue #2. Making a GOOD codec is NOT something that you're going to whip up over the weekend. This is something that is based on
YEARS of signal processing and perceptual research.
Upon the shoulders of giants.... That research has ALREADY been done...can we not work off of that?
Gak. I'm all for open source and write a lot of it myself, but people who assume that everything is _SIMPLE_ and _EASY_ drive me nut
Did I ever say it was
All in all though, thanks for the reply, it did clear up some points for me.
Sgt Pepper
Why bother with Quicktime? This is a serious question...what is preventing us from using MPEG? Is there a qt2mpeg converter? What's stopping someone from writing one? Or for that matter why not just develop our OWN codec, free to the public and make /it/ the standard?
The article about Stephen King linked on the story is a MUST read, it brings up some very good point that show us /why/ the DMCA is such a scary, frightening thing.
We hardly have any rights under current copyright law as it is. And the DMCA is just trying to take away that little bit that's left....
Okay, if Ticketmaster.com, the web version of a larger corporate business, is an "open site", then what is a closed site? Intranet?
:) That's the way it is.
:)
/was/ dopey :)
An open site is ANY site put out on the net, so yes you got it, a closed site is the Intranet, if you don't want to deal with the people in your town then don't leave your house.
And what's this "free internet community"? Everytime the Internet community tries to get something for free (ie. mp3) there's a big hullabaloo and somebody gets sued. Twice.
Free as in speech not beer.
And who says Tickemaster.com is a member of *any* community? They're a business, they want to make money, not talk with people.
Ticketmaster.com is most assuredly a memeber of a community. Any group of people in a single place can be considered a community and business help make that community. You might as well try to get away with saying that Churches want to save souls not talk to people.
Also I've never read any "rules" about hyperlinking, and doubt any exist.
There is such a thing as "Common Law" and Common Law says that you are able to link to ANY sites freely and are in fact incouraged to do so. I wonder how many of ticket.com's customers decided to poke around ticketmaster.com's site after they were taken to it. Quite a number I bet.
A good court ruling, a really, really dopey quote at the end.
Okay, okay you win that one...it
Sgt Pepper
''They are an open site and are a member of the free Internet community,''
/all/ companies and individuals that join our `little' world would abide by that simple statement all our grief and woe would be unheard of. That's the way it's suppose to be, no?
Tickets.com attorney Daniel Harris said of Ticketmaster. ''They have to live
by the rules of that community as it has grown up.''
If only
ObOnTopicPost:
This is a very good thing IMHO has it vindicates the way hypertext and the net is set up. Free form, stream of thought linking. Make that illegal and our whole net falls apart.
Sgt Pepper
This is most certainly the end of the world^H^H^H^H^Hnet as we know it. This is because we are reactive and not proactive. Little by little, year by year our rights are taken away. The net just happens to be one of the most visible places this is happening right now.
/was/, given How [D]ARPA was no longer in charge of it ) would be entirely out of reach of any governmental control. Sure, we might loose the high speeds, the nifty graphics, the e-commerce sites, yadda yadda, but the FREE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION would still be there.
/not/ about copyrights, patents, Movies, or even Operation Systems. It is about the natural right of our thoughts and ideas to be dissemnted to however many people we want. The idea of a seperate network appeals to me, maybe I'm sounding "old fasioned" or even "nostaligic" but I miss the days before "The Web" where USENET ruled and the command line was king. We IDEAS and not IMAGES were what was absorbed. Why not go back to that?
What we really need to do is start being proactive, the protest in Washington was a good start...but it was TWO YEARS after the law passed, we need to be getting on top of these things quicker. We need a good clearing house of information. A YRO newsletter or something similar would probably do the trick. But even why they are attempting to attack the freedom that has been the Internet.
Don't forget that this wonderful network of networks was formed on Open Standards. What is too stop us from hooking up just our computers with TCP/IP and forming the GeekNET? Why...nothing of course, and it would be out of touch from Government Regulations. A PRIVATELY funded network ( And to be honest I thought that was what the internet
This wonderful thing that we all have access to is
Ah well, I'm rambling now so I'll go, but I'll leave with this last thought: The Internet is in many ways an organic being, with that there is bound to be change, and eventually it will die. What we need is to produce offspring to ensure it's existince. And with that I am out.
Sgt Pepper
AAAaaahh.....*light bulb goes off* Thanks....Mr. AC...i appreciate that...
It /was/ meant as a joke, and I appreciate those who see it as such. :)
Picture, if you will, Bill Gates and Judge Jackson...embracing on the steps of the Justice Building...shaking hands as Gates hands him one of those HUGE checks ( the photo op kind ), and as the camera zooms in we see the amount....$1. Jackson and Gates shake hands and a few speeches are made and everyone goes home. *sigh*
Just how well do you and the KDE guys REALLY get along....don't you GNOME people ever just want to get together all the Nerf gear you can and stage an all out war?
Seriously though, how much communication really does go on between the two camps? I would imagine at least some must if you and the KDE camp are to maintain interoperatability.
Okay, I'll accept this. I would likely have fewer problems with MS if they were never a Corporation to begin with, as it most likely never
/becoming/ a corporation, my objection has to do with them geting perks /because/ they are a corporation. Companys /should/ ONLY have the same rights awarded to individuals.
:) No where did I condone their behavior.
:) and while i /do/ like i guess it's just that I wish it didn't HAVE to be this way
could have gotten so big anyway. But given as how this is the real world, that isn't the case.
That it is the case doesn't make it right. I am not talking about MSFT
My objection to MS's behavior stands.
Really now
And while a private suit could have technically achieved the same end, it's well known by now that the party with the most money is increasingly favored - not the one who deserves justice. This isn't as much of a consideration for the govt. And they're having quite a lot of
success as compared to the private cases, which are proceeding much more slowly. Justice delayed is justice denied....
agreed 100% doesn't mean i have to like it though
MS wouldn't have all of the perks of being a corporation if not for the government
:)
Exactly why the less government involvement the better.
I have no sympathy for people that expect to get away with breakin' the law.
Agreed, hence the "It's up to the courts to decide". IMHO the US Government should never have been involved in the first place. A private suit could achive the same end. But big brother has a bigger stick eh? *sigh*
Not that i won't be laughing when MS gets spanked don't get me wrong
Alright...I'm sorry...it's a monday *growl*
But still...it's not the mistakes that bother me, it's the...fixing them with out acknowledging them. The feeling of "What misspelled word?" *click click click" "I see no misspelled word here".
Eh...regardless....thanks for the reality check.
#Off Topic Rant Follows
/. editors et. al. make changes to the page and fail to make any note of it? The head line use to read Posting to Linux now reads Porting to Linux.....just an "Opps I made a mistake" update would be nice....ah well...
This will probably get moderated down...but...does it annoy anyone else when the
#Off Topic Rant Ends
errrr.....make that BioWare *slapping hand* Next time use the preview button...I know, I know...
How many people first wondered who BioStar was, and then why it was newsworthy that they were posting? *LMFAO*
Seriously though, nice to see another one...maybe I can stop dual-booting one day if this keeps up...
Sgt Pepper
And yet methinks perhaps the article should have been moderated "Reduntant". This is all things we have heard before. In fact most of it sounds word for word exactly like other "linux virus" posts we've seen here. We all know it's harder to infect Linux/Unix, but they are open to other, more isidious ailments. The "Great Internet Worm" didn't infect windows machines, hell there were NO windows machines when it came out, and it brought the net to it's knees. Every environment has it's weakness, viruses just happen to NOT be one of Linux's.
eh...that was rambleing...note to self, don't take support calls and post to slashdot at the same time...
Sgt Pepper
Hehe, you do have some good Points. But i don't believe this warrants anticompetitve lawsuits from the goverment.
:) ( think about it....That was my point to a 'T' )
Well that was, and is, up to the courts to decide. In my opinion I would agree, the less government involvment the better.
Wine is a great project, but only came about as a means for linux to emulate the windows environment to run the windows applications. Wine by no means was a commercial effort to compete against windows or microsoft.
Exactly
As far as closed API's has anyone ever tried writing a competing product to Oracle RDBMS that is compatible? Nope, can't be done, but dowe Sue Oracle for that? I mean have you seen there new licensing schemes and how they rape the consumer?
Nope, but in all fairness, there is many more Databasing programs out there then Oracle with much more open standards ( sorry, examples escape me, not up on that I admit )
How about Novell, do we get to sue them because nobody could make a compatible product? Weren't they the cause of the downfall of that good ol' company that made Banyan Vines and lantastic? Is it my right to sue Novell for that?
You're not, and we're not suing Microsoft, the US Government is. Let me just finish by saying I agree the government is sticking it's nose where it don't belong. We are comrads in arms in that respect. But I do not believe Microsoft is without fault, I just don't think it's the government's place to spank 'em.
Sgt Pepper
First of all, let me just say that that was a very well thought out post, and very well spoken. There's just one point I'd like to discuss..it's when you say here:
/do/ think they try to prevent others from being able to interface to Windows in a fully compatible, open way. Full Disclouser of all Windows APIs and Protocols would be, in my opinon a very satisfactory resolution to this whole mess.
:)
Microsoft has NEVER prevented anyone from making a compatible system, had they done that it would have been anticompetitve
This right here....this is exactly what they HAVE done. This is the whole crux of most of our feelings behind Microsoft. Why has WINE been in development so long and still can't run 80% of the software out there ( Disclaimer: Percentage exactly unknown, last time I checked though it was still a large amount of software that either didn't run or was buggy ). In fact you back this up later on in your post with:
Sure it may not be an OPEN standard, but gee golly sir when i go to the story and there is 400 games and 1000s of applications i can run on my computer. THAT IS A STANDARD!
A closed specification ( or "Standard" ) is meant for one thing....to prevent compatibility, so you can be the only kid on the block with those nifty APIs. Which change...from release to releast from Service Pack to Service Pack. Now I'm not making any kind of suggestion on how evil Microsoft is, or what should be done to punish them. But I
Ah well, thanks for listening, and again, nice post
Sgt Pepper
Well, Cleveland, OHs NPR Radio station is 90.3FM and it might be better....i'm always picking up Canadian stations here....might as well give that one a whirl :)
twas a good joke my friend, thanks for the smile :)